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How Republicans Convinced Fundamentalists To Support Their Corporatist Agenda
There are many religious people who believe that their god controls every aspect of their lives, and for them, relinquishing control of their existence to a deity makes sense. The problem is that it also excuses them from any form of self-responsibility as well as giving their religion’s leaders power to manipulate them to behave and choose a particular political ideology based on their faith. It is unfortunate that in America, fundamentalist Christians support conservative economic policies that are against their own self-interests because Republicans portray the government as an overreaching entity that is in competition with the bible and its prohibition on gays, women’s rights, and freedom of religion. Republicans and their teabagger minions use anti-government rhetoric to convince fundamentalists that corporations and the wealthy are being overtaxed and over-regulated by the godless government and it has fostered support for conservative ideals that are destroying the economy.
The notion among a large segment of Christian fundamentalists is that god is guiding the economy and anything the government does to help economic growth or create jobs is in direct contrast to god’s will. The fundamentalists’ belief explains their abhorrence of government regulations, taxation, social safety nets, unemployment benefits, and a bevy of government programs and laws prohibiting discrimination against gays, minorities, and the poor. Republicans are keenly aware of the fundamentalists’ belief and anger that god’s will is being supplanted by the government and use it to advance their policies that smaller, less-intrusive government is in line with god’s grand plan for America.
Although the bible never says god is in charge of America’s economy, fundamentalists who are typically poor and less educated have made a natural connection between religious conservatism and fiscal conservatism that prompts them to support Republicans’ economic agenda. In a study at Baylor University, researchers discovered that religious conservatism correlated with social conservatism, sexual conservatism, and lately, fiscal conservatism and that Republicans tapped into Christianity’s values regarding same-sex marriage and abortion. The study found that fundamentalists harbor a strong belief that god’s will, and the state of nature, is a free market system without any government regulation or taxation because it is disrupting and opposing the state of nature god intends for the economy. In fact, many believers “see government as a really profane object,” and it explains the obsession that “any liberal kind of suggestions on how to fix our economy” is anti-god and a war against faith.
Whether or not conservative Christians in Congress or Republicans really believe god controls the economy is irrelevant because they are using the poor, ignorant fundamentalists’ beliefs to garner support for their corporatist agenda. Because the fundamentalists tend to be poor and uneducated, they acquiesce to the party that panders to their belief-system and vote against policies that are in their own self-interests. Their belief is that if god controls the economy, then they don’t need education or social programs that would improve their lot in life. Human nature is such that people are going to trust leaders who are closely aligned with their own belief system, and instead of using common sense and voting for policies that are to their benefit, it is much easier to vote for politicians and conservative elites that oppose the government, gay and women’s rights, and social programs that help the poor.
The Baylor study also found that fundamentalists believe the unemployed, poor, and economically disadvantaged are lazy and are not taking advantage of America’s exceptional opportunities like the extremely wealthy have and therefore are undeserving of any assistance. Part of the problem with religious folks who believe god controls the economy and every person in America is that if someone loses their job, their home, and economic prosperity, it is god’s will. Many of the study’s respondents claimed it was the individual’s fault they lost their job and they do not merit receiving unemployment benefits or assistance from government programs. It is interesting that the fundamentalists ignore Jesus Christ’s commandment to clothe, feed, and assist the poor. There is no way to reconcile fundamentalists’ beliefs that it is acceptable to ignore the poorest among us to enrich the wealthy and corporations, but it is highly likely that because Republicans pander to fundamentalists’ bible-based dogma that encourages hatred of abortion, gays, and women, the fundamentalists are choosing the lesser of evils and willfully accept that god intends for millions of Americans to live in poverty.
Christian fundamentalists exemplify proverbial sheep that blindly follow their leaders who encourage adherence to church philosophy that is inherently anti-government, and in lieu of using common sense and basic self-interest, adhere to conservative economic philosophy that will, in due time, spell economic disaster for themselves and the country. Republicans have tapped into a mindset that allows them to reward the wealthy and their corporate interests at the expense of the people who support them. The Baylor study answers the question; why do ignorant, poor Christian fundamentalists support and vote for policies that are against their own self-interest? The simple answer is that Republicans and the clergy have convinced them that god controls America’s economy and if he wants high unemployment, tens-of-millions of Americans living in poverty, and social programs eliminated, then fundamentalists must support that agenda.
The Baylor study shows that fundamentalists believe that, “If God is in control and in my life, there is one way to get this done, and that’s God’s way; and God’s way is always one way; and we may not understand, but that’s the way it is.” It is tragic that in 2011, America’s economy is being subverted by Republicans who use Christian fundamentalists’ belief that god wants 99% of the population to suffer so the wealthy and their corporations can prosper, and that any attempts by the government to help the economy is an affront to god’s supremacy.
If any American truly believes that Dominionists and Christian fundamentalists are not a serious threat to America and its economic prosperity, they are deluded and need to wake up. Republicans are awake and by the time they finish, there will be two classes of Americans; elite industrialists and the peasant class. The Christian fundamentalists are being manipulated by the clergy and Republican Party to facilitate the takeover by theocrats and plutocrats, and the Americans who sit idly by thinking Christians are harmless are just as guilty as the vile Republicans and evil clergy who have nearly destroyed this once-great country.
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Reynardine
Oct. 16th, 2011 at 10:17 am
John Dean wrote at length about this in “Conservatives Without Conscience”, and in doing so, he reiterated what Adorno had found over half a century before: an authoritarian/ social dominance oriented mindset, once it takes hold in any portion of a woman’s psyche, soon controls all of it. That’s why Dominionism and corporatism scratch each other’s backs; that’s why both make it a point to teach ostracism of “icky people” and oppression of “little people”.
Reynardine
Oct. 16th, 2011 at 10:21 am
Meant to write “human psyche”; was simultaneously writing section of “Dracula” screen script dealing with Mina Harker. Sorry.
debracaballero
Oct. 16th, 2011 at 11:21 am
Thanks for clarifying that. I was wondering, what……..?
Reynardine
Oct. 16th, 2011 at 3:49 pm
Yeah, that was what. She is, at this point, rather in rebellion against her Good Grey Lords’ deciding what is good for her, which of course they take for a sign of vampiric possession.
goddess
Oct. 16th, 2011 at 10:56 pm
That was such a fantastic book.
David chapman
Oct. 16th, 2011 at 11:24 pm
. Thanks for clarifyong
I was gonna say, “what does a womans psyche have to do with it
Anne
Oct. 16th, 2011 at 10:35 am
Dominionist aptly describes at least 2 of the GOP contenders for their party’s nomination. Now we have Crazy Herman Cain spewing the “gem of
wisdom” that Jesus Christ was the perfect conservative and liberals killed Him. I say, give him time and he’ll be sure to say or do something that will irreparably doom his campaign. I totally agree that we ignore these
so-called Christians and their enablers at our own peril.
jadez
Oct. 16th, 2011 at 10:38 am
i dont believe these studies and their conclusions for second.
what you see from this group of people is something that has always been part of the far right republican wing; overt racism.
and its that racism and hate at work here because they do not wish to see the black man in the oval office or the country succeed on his watch.
they hate gays and blacks and minorities because all those non “whites” are getting special treatment and money from the black guys government programs while they are being left out.
THATS the message that fox news and the republican part with its radio and tv shills are constantly selling these ignorant uneducated people.
and as soon as the white guy from the republican party becomes president their outlook and expectations of what the government should be doing for THEM, will change immediately.
goddess
Oct. 16th, 2011 at 10:57 pm
Truth.
pesky9
Oct. 16th, 2011 at 10:39 am
In regard to abortion which is solely driving a lot of people to the GOP, the battle is lost forever when comparing a pro-life mantra to pro-choice.
Emily Orth
Oct. 16th, 2011 at 12:17 pm
So why do we bother to brush our teeth or get dressed in the morning? If we can assert ourselves enough to subvert God’s obvious plan for perpetual morning breath and dirty sweat pants, surely we can do a little something for economic justice.
SinghX
Oct. 16th, 2011 at 3:02 pm
“…a large segment of Christian fundamentalists [believe] that god is guiding the economy and anything the government does to help economic growth or create jobs is in direct contrast to god’s will…”
Sigh…you jist don’t get it, do you? SPEND AND GOD WILL SEND!
We gotta’ shop! ‘Member “W” said, “Ya’ll go back to the malls’n shop!” It’s the mantra, given by fundamentalist god to the republicans radical right wing who have passed it on to the “peeple” call we call the “goood christains”…
SPEND AND GOD WILL SEND!
…but of course, this does not/will not work for the government because god hates government (Emailanees, Verses 2.0 thru 8.0 ) so, it’s their christian duty to take all the money away from the government, give it to themselves and, then they can spend it in god’s name because, god will send more! Shopaluuu’yah!
Mo
Oct. 16th, 2011 at 12:44 pm
jadez -
Right on, but religion has been used to justify racism from probably the day it was invented. The need to dominate and feel superior to someone, coupled with a convenient belief that your superior god has your back – what could go wrong?
So it’s not religion vs. racism – they’re both sides of the same poisonous coin.
A Walkaway
Oct. 16th, 2011 at 6:32 pm
Uh… you can’t paint all belief systems with the same brush.
Indeed, racism wasn’t really a factor until more modern times… like the last 600 years or so.
TommyJ
Oct. 16th, 2011 at 11:07 pm
Look at your Bible. The Hebrews were racist murderers accomplishing God’s will in the conquest of the Holy (?) Land. God commanded the slaughter of many thousands and even punished Hebrews for letting some live as slaves or concubines. No, racism is way more than 600 years old and surely the Hebrews weren’t the first or the worst religion to ordain such brutality.
A Walkaway
Oct. 17th, 2011 at 3:15 pm
MY Bible? (You cannot begin to comprehend what I believe and practice – and believe me, it is NOT “traditional” Christianity.)
You need to study a little more history in depth. Racism… prejudice and discrimination based upon skin color, is a relatively new thing. In fact, it ties more closely with the rise of early capitalism and the industrial revolution than with religion or politics (although religion, especially the “Christianity” of the time, certainly had something to do with it.)
Discrimination based upon culture/tribe/kingdom/religion… that’s a different story.
The people the Israelites attacked physically didn’t look that much different… except maybe in their clothing and so on.
Patrick Buck
Oct. 16th, 2011 at 1:04 pm
Here in America, secularization is finally picking up steam. The bible-thumpers are pushing this process forward by their extremism. When America is as secular as Western Europe, it will become a much better place to live and ironically, will be treating people much more in accord with the principles of Jesus.
Zookeeper
Oct. 16th, 2011 at 1:22 pm
People are inherently evil,
Government is the people,
Therefore, government is inherently evil.
Corporations are entities,
Corporations are not actual people,
Therefore, corporations are good.
Yeah, it makes no sense whatsoever, but this is how the christ-bots seem to think. They don’t bother thinking about the fact that corporations are run by the terrifying inherently evil people; that would be inconvenient. It’s easier to believe that god is in control of the wonderful corporations, and the evil people get what they damn well deserve — even if it’s themselves.
goddess
Oct. 16th, 2011 at 10:59 pm
And on top of that, apparently, corporations ARE people, but whatevs.
Shawn
Oct. 16th, 2011 at 1:57 pm
These people are authoritarians. They come in two groups: followers and leaders. By themselves, followers are mostly harmless. It’s only when a leader shows up, that is, someone who is determine to rise to power using any and every means possible, it there trouble. To read more about authoritarians, see Bob Altemeyer’s book, The Authoritarians home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~alt...
Reynardine
Oct. 16th, 2011 at 3:53 pm
That is the very source that John Dean cited, and the particularly dangerous sort of authoritarian is the Double High.
A Walkaway
Oct. 16th, 2011 at 6:40 pm
I don’t think that you can separate the Republican/conservative stuff from the dominionist movement. Read what Frank Shaeffer and others have said about the beginning of the Religious Right. For at least 30 or 40 years, it’s been meticulously planned.
Many of the attitudes and beliefs were already there… back before FDR’s day. What we see today is an amplification of the beliefs and attitudes held even then.
As far as the Republicans getting the Fundamentalists to buy into their program… I think it can be argued that the early dominionists were already pushing the sort of crap we regularly hear… it just hadn’t been spread to the mainstream churches (which could be said to have had a different form of fundamentalism at the time). At least a lot of the mainstream churches had some idea of social and economic justice… even if it was flawed.
Ray
Oct. 16th, 2011 at 6:51 pm
If God wanted evangelical Christians to be wealthy, he would have given them brains.
Linda
Oct. 17th, 2011 at 12:26 am
Evangelical Christians do have very good brains. Just because there is a rotten apple here and there that puts a bad taste in your mouth, it does not mean all Christians are rotten apples. There are Christians in both parties. It is freedom.
Shiva (Moderator)
Oct. 17th, 2011 at 12:34 am
I am sorry, you don’t seem to be catching on. This is NOT about regualr xtians
Linda
Oct. 17th, 2011 at 12:44 am
Regular CHRISTians.
Shiva (Moderator)
Oct. 17th, 2011 at 12:52 am
blah.
A Walkaway
Oct. 17th, 2011 at 10:52 am
Rotten apple here and there?
You need to take your rose-colored glasses off. The churches are FILLED with rotten apples. Every time one of them tells a homeless person “Get a Job!”, that person shows him-or-herself to be a rotten apple. Every time a “Good Christian” supports discriminating against LGBT folk, or against other religions, that person shows him-or-herself to be a rotten apple. Every time those “Good Christians” proselytizes others and forces their (false) idea of Christianity on others, they show themselves to be stinkingly rotten. Every time a “Good Christian” supports conservatives, that person reveals at least a few brown spots (with hints of deeper rot underneath).
Just as any cook will tell you… if you leave a rotten apple in the bag, all the others will rot very quickly. The churches – including the mainstream churches – don’t throw out the rotten apples. No, what they do is throw out the good fruit who speak out against the rot, and allow the rotten to take “positions” and preach from the pulpit and do all other sorts of things that spread rot. I know… my wife and I could be considered some of the good fruit (although years ago I admit I was a rotten apple – experience and an education corrected that), and we were thrown out – while the specifically-trained-by-the-Assemblies-of-God steeplejackers were encouraged and took over what used to be a fairly decent (liberal) church.
Here and there? Either you’re blind or you’re a liar.
Linda
Oct. 17th, 2011 at 12:36 am
There are lots of very wealth Christians. Just not in my family. You could say, if God wanted Athiests to be wealthy, He would have given them brains. Such silly statements. God wants everyone to prosper. In the book of Malachi God says to pay your tithe and He will pour out to you more blessing than you can contain. Read it. It is there. If every one in our country, rich and poor alike, paid tithe to God, our whole country would prosper. But, we don’t. We do not even give God one day in seven that is His. He rested the 7th day and told mankind to do the same. We don’t. If we tithed and went to church one out of seven, our country would change for the better. Much better. God loves us ALL.
A Walkaway
Oct. 17th, 2011 at 11:12 am
Wealthy Christians? They must have ripped off the poor.
(Every rich “Christian” I’ve met got their wealth through theft and hurting the ordinary people… and then claimed to be “holier than thou!”.)
SinghX
Oct. 17th, 2011 at 12:19 pm
“…If every one in our country, rich and poor alike, paid tithe to God, our whole country would prosper. But, we don’t…”
“We” don’t pour money into the coffers of mythological institutions so your sky-god is punishing us, ‘Meri’ka’?? Then, how come the sky-god allows 1% with 40% of all the worlds resources to punish the rest of the planet; this is the sky-god’s will? You got a strange book of formula that supposedly quotes your sky-god!
Your sky-god book makes lots of sense to the sick and homeless and those who want to help them via a large, secular pool of money we call “taxes”.
Paleez…you speak with cult-tongue. No one is good enough, worthy enough, does enough, tithes enough, prays enough to appease any greedy authoritarian church tied to political movements/politicians–they’ve hooked up, in case you haven’t noticed. Always a bad sign if you read history…
And your sky-god specifically said the word “Sunday” demanding everybody stop what they are doing, look up to the sky-god and say a bunch of stuff they think the sky-god will hear and enjoy on one particular day…what earthly calendar does the sky-god follow where is says “Sunday”? I didn’t get that memo…
If we all gave one day a week to those in need, in trouble…one day of our time and energy (“we” call it volunteering) our country would change for the better…not congregating in mega-building where the evangelical self-masturbatory-oral-pleasure sacrificial rite is performed in order to “grow” more money!
FYI,the sky-god does not “love”; you are lumping faith in the unknown with emotional creatures who don’t care about much of anything for that they cannot control via greed, anger, pride, lust and illusion.
Russ DeMott
Oct. 17th, 2011 at 7:48 pm
And therein lies the reason the Democratic party has so miserably failed to get Evangelical or Fundamentalist votes. You just reinforced the belief that the Democratic party hates people of faith. Many of the points in this post are valid–especially those that stress that Jesus commanded his followers to take care of the poor. There is a history of this principle going back to the early books of the Old Testament.
But keep calling these folks stupid and marginalizing them, and you’ll get more of what this article laments. It’s not a bright idea.
Furthermore, it’s not true. There are plenty of doctors, lawyers, and engineers who have conservative (Fundamentalist or Evangelical) religious views. Hate and bigotry are wrong no matter who the target is.
And, again, even if liberals declare open season on the religious right, it’s just a horrible strategy. Karl Rove would love it. You want to be his pal, then keep it up.
Instead, the Democratic party needs to come up with some constructive way to stress that “survival of the fittest” is inconsistent with the Christian faith and that bad things sometimes happen to good people.
It also needs to point out–somehow–that Jesus never commanded his followers to “go and make people behave” (to legislate religious rules into law). Instead, he commanded his followers to spread the gospel which people were free to accept or reject.
Shiva (Moderator)
Oct. 17th, 2011 at 7:53 pm
First, you must understand what is being talked about here. And the everyday xtian is not part of the discussion. You must separate everyday christians from the fundamentalists
The Democratic party wants nothing to do with the Fundamentalists. I suggest you look up 7 mountains, dominionism and a few other goodies to understand what is being talked about here.
Russ DeMott
Oct. 17th, 2011 at 8:30 pm
I do understand what’s being discussed here. The quote was this: “If God wanted evangelical Christians to be wealthy, he would have given them brains.” Calling people who you disagree with stupid (lacking brains) doesn’t achieve anything. It just divides people even more. Liberals are not any more intelligent than conservatives.
And suggesting that Evangelicals–or Fundamentalists for that matter– are stupid is simply (a) not true, and (b) helps Republicans use the religious right to continue to further their corporatist agenda.
This also underscores why the Republican Party does so well among not only the religious right, but also many of those groups formerly in the Democratic fold (blue collar workers and Catholics to name a few groups). The Right is so much smarter than the left with political strategy. The left can’t touch the right-wing way of selling its agenda.
How do you get the blue collar worker here in SC to vote Democratic? Remember, there was a time he would NEVER vote Republican. But how do you show him his self-interest is more closely aligned with the Democratic Party? Certainly not by viewing him as a stupid Evangelical.
Shiva (Moderator)
Oct. 17th, 2011 at 10:05 pm
You obviously havent a clue who the fundamentalists are. I suggest you do the homework I pointed you to.
The Dems want no part of the fundamentalists.
A Walkaway
Oct. 18th, 2011 at 4:02 pm
If he (or she) is a young-earth creationist, she is STUPID. If he (or she) thinks they have to take over the world to save it, he or she is part of the problem.
Or maybe he or she needs to stop listening to Faux News, his or her preachers, and start trying to think for his or her self. I do grant that the fundamentalist/dominionist churches actively brainwash people. That is what they did to me (and decades later, I’m still dealing with the fallout, even though I broke free 30 years ago).
Read up on Rushdoony. If that doesn’t open your eyes and scare the p*ss out of you, they won’t ever be opened.
SinghX
Oct. 21st, 2011 at 9:07 am
You haven’t a clue as to “what” fundamentalism is let alone why it is considered “stupid” by any and everyone who understands it’s premise. Educate yourself to further your knowledge before mouthing off on evangelicals.
As to those who are former “dems”, why are you saying they are “catholic”, blue collar? Isn’t that stereo-typing a demographic? And, the ones I know were who “switched” were peepull just laying in wait for their self-serving moment to snatch a piece of that pie any way which way that they could (lie/cheat/back-stab/brown-nose/bully). They were/are proud to do so in order to prove their macho, “superior” selves beyond simple self-interest–it’s part of their dysfunctional personality disorder; predators, narcissist, addictive-functionary-types who think nothing of anything but filling their rice bowl with out a care, but, nice guys finish last/I got mine/pull the ladder up. These overt traits usually indicates that they are under-educated, have a socially “low IQ” and willing to go which ever way the wind blows, which makes them s-t-u-p-i-d.
zumpie
Oct. 23rd, 2011 at 12:04 pm
Russ, time for a little history for ya:
The reason most Southerners were Dems back in the day was because 150 years ago the parties were completely reversed–Republicans were progressive, Dems were racist, anti-tax and anti-gov.
Within about 30 or 40 years, this changed, with both parties largely representing the interests of the wealthy few by 1900, with exceptions like Teddy Roosevelt representing reform movements, etc.
The tone and focus of the modern Democratic Party is frequently attributed to William Jennings Bryan when he unsuccessfully ran for president on a platform of representing the farmers and other, extremely poor individuals.
While he lost, this began the shift that took another 20 years to fully form—but the real, modern Democratic Party goes back to Franklin Roosevelt and the New Deal Dems of the 1930′s…and even THEN the country was reverse polarized with the North East largely Republican and the South Dem.
What ultimately lsot the South for the Dems was the Dems strong support of civil rights (Truman’s progressive views on this issue nearly cost him reelection) and other progressive issues. But in the process of “losing” the South, we gained the North East, California and the Pacific North West—all of which were staunchly Republican states back in the day.
I always find it fascinating that Republicans like to crow about how they snagged the South—many of the states are unimportant electorally and the bigger ones (NC, VA and FL) are swing states—when THEY lost the North!
BTW, the original Republicans supported wealth and property redistribution (40 acres and mule), along with civil rights’ reform.
mommytrucker
Oct. 16th, 2011 at 8:58 pm
Thanks for the e-book link. Although it’s free and it is said, “you get what you pay for,” I believe I’ve struck gold! : )
goddess
Oct. 16th, 2011 at 10:59 pm
As usual, the religious right is neither religious nor right!
David chapman
Oct. 16th, 2011 at 11:43 pm
Religion is a tool used by the elite to control the masses. Christians dont use the brains god gave them to think for themselves, unless it is to judge those around them. I just spent 3 days arguing with a leadership pastor and missionary, who spent his time being sarcastuc and condescending, insulting me and using scripture as a weapon. He even misqouted to support his”right” to judge ma, a heathen. I finally exposed him to all 597 of his fb friwnds and congregation, who soundly rebuked him. Moral of the story: just being a leader doesnt make you a saint. Think for yourself. “presume not god to scan; the proper study of mankind is man.”
Linda
Oct. 17th, 2011 at 12:14 am
It is so sad to see the younger generations mocking God and His Son Jesus, mocking Christianity and mocking Jews. Read your Bible if you have one. Develop some knowledge and respect for God’s People. Study the prophesies in Isaiah about the Middle East. It is very interesting when you see what is going on in our world today. I pray for you all who do not yet love God and His Son and His people.
brainmist
Oct. 17th, 2011 at 1:59 am
Did that. Caused me to question what sort of horrible god would do the things the biblical God reportedly does, and what sort of idiots would follow it, despite its tendency to inflict arbitrary carnage. That, the illogic, and the appalling tendency of ‘Christians’ to behave in a manner inconsistent with the teachings of Jesus, caused me to leave the religion.
I suggest YOU read the bible. Don’t skip to the parts which meet your expectations: read the whole thing, and accept it all as equally valid. Then ask yourself, what sort of hideous entity would ask a man to sacrifice his son, or kill off the whole population, or demand its followers kill enemies’ children, except of course the virgin girls: those were to be kept for raping. And ask yourself why, if you believe in this absurd bit of fiction, you would choose to follow such an entity.
SinghX
Oct. 17th, 2011 at 12:36 pm
How wonderfully refreshing to see someone of your caliber predictably condescending and choosing 2 of the many religions on the planet as the verified choice of all the people of the world! Thank you!(I know, don’t thank you, thank the sky-god)…
How very generous of you to offer your great depth and knowledge to that “younger generation” yea, not the old as they are too wise to seek your narrow view of reality. And of course, the finger waging to the “youth” that they are ignorant of respect and obedience to your “knowledge”; you are obviously, overwhelmingly spontaneous, talented, a creative saint…these new ideas as ways to over-throw the non-believers…where can I get my hands on that formula?
I’m sure I speak for many of us here that we are a-gog at your charismatic charms to woo the youth by your love of the people…we are not worthy…
Linda
Oct. 17th, 2011 at 12:05 am
After reading this, it occurs to me that it is another article written by non-christians, non-fundamentalists, and non-church goer, and non-Bible readers. Do you really believe fundamental Christians are so dumb that they do not see and understand what is going on?
Sarah Jones
Oct. 17th, 2011 at 12:08 am
The author is a former minister. What was that about reading bibles?
Shiva (Moderator)
Oct. 17th, 2011 at 12:08 am
Yes the fundies do know whats going on. And the person who wrote this is very well versed in the bible as well as other religious subjects. The fundies are doing this willingly. Its called Dominionism. Look up 7 mountains, Family research council and other sundry subjects
It may also help you to understand the article is not talking about the everyday christian. The fundies are a whole sect apart
A Walkaway
Oct. 17th, 2011 at 3:22 pm
In other words, “Not Me; so therefore not worthy and automatically wrong”.
Thanks for showing the inherent self-centeredness of fundamentalism/dominionism.
Paman Miner
Oct. 17th, 2011 at 12:16 am
John Dean’s book is exelente! It really goes into the psychology of authoritarians social dominators and Altemeyer’s work. I’ve also read about dominionists. Whohoo they are crazy dangerous! This stuff has been in the works for some time but few knew about it. It’s only been recently that ordinary Christians have been being told all this crap. These people really are dangerous if they get in power. Cain is a disgusting example. There is also a Christian left who don’t twist words into opposite meanings. I would be trying to leave the USA if Cain, Perry or Bachman got in office.
THere is hope that the 99%ers will keep growing into a movement to reckon with. Like JFK said “there is a revolution coming, If we are smart it will come peaceably. Either way it is coming and it’s inevitable.” This may not be word for word. I don’t have that good of memory, but I do have hope.
Mark Bousquet
Oct. 18th, 2011 at 1:29 pm
The corporations are The Beast from Revelation. They are Satan incarnate. They were created by sin – greed, selfishness, apathy. Go with them and you go with the Devil.
Jim Faubel
Oct. 18th, 2011 at 3:13 pm
Isn’t it amazing that the RW loves to cite the Constitution and the Founding Fathers but they hate the government the Founders founded with their Constitution? Just as they love the quote the Bible and the God (they believe) who wrote it but just can’t seem to make themselves try to live up to the “liberal” ways the Bible would have them live. “Love and forgiveness are for us; the rest of you can go to hell.” seems to be their motto.
Cori
Oct. 20th, 2011 at 1:03 am
Such a great thread. I was gonna give shot outs to the witty comments but so many! The thing is when ppl attack the fundamentalists the Christians automatically assume they are included in that group and it back fires. i often get into hot debates with Republican Christians over Jesus being a liberal and socialist. the story that stood out to me in the bible was the one about Jesus and his followers coming upon a vineyard. They ate the grapes and Jesus commanded his followers to leave some because the poor might come through. Yet the Christians i have talked with are nothing like Christ. They see the poor as choosing to be poor or they have the belief that every poor person is a leech or a drug addict. My family is Catholic, agnostic, or atheists. We all respect each other and our diverse views. everyone of us believes in charity and giving back or helping those that dont have the means to help themselves which i believe was the most important lesson in that book that has been translated a million times and written by so many ppl that were not Jesus. “Mortality is doing what is right regardless of what you are told. Religion is doing what you are told regardless of what is right.”
zumpie
Oct. 23rd, 2011 at 12:13 pm
I recently came across an amazing quote on Wonkette that also sheds light on why poor people routinely vote against their own interests and support agendas that make absolutely no sense:
John Steinbeck (so we’re talking like 70-80 years ago, here) said, “Socialism has never taken in American because most poor Americans don’t view themselves as oppressed proletariats, but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires”.
Of course, all these $20K per year millionaires will be “temporarily embarrassed” from cradle to grave, but that’s completely immaterial.
It also supports their wonky, weak philosophy of all Dems are lazy, drug addicted, slackers. Until, that is we point out or college degrees, better paying, professional jobs and higher tax burden. Then we’re snotty elites pandering to others on our way to Starbuck’s (a direct quote, BTW). Either way, it’s bad to be someone who either wants to give or wants to help themselves out of poverty.
Better to just cook up some meth right before you go to church and your Walmart Greeter job—and demand more services and gov’t $$$ while you whine about taxes.