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Republicans Scramble to Make Horses and Bayonets Work for Them
By: Hrafnkell HaraldssonOct. 23rd, 2012more from Hrafnkell Haraldsson

In this case, as president, he is determined to have more ships than anybody else.
Trouble is, he already does. The United States not only spends more its military than any other nation, it has more ships than any other nation. The U.S. Navy, the “global force for good” we hear so much about on commercials, reigns supreme in the role the Royal Navy once occupied. Look at a couple of charts, like this one from Global Fire Power (GFP):
We also have better ships, as this chart shows:
But Romney likes to push the narrative that Obama has made America weaker and that our Navy is no longer the Navy it once was. Romney is wrong, but being wrong has never stopped Romney before, and it did not stop him last night.
As Jason Easley pointed out here last night, Romney, in pushing this narrative, created a turning point in the debate. Romney argued,
ROMNEY: Our Navy is old — excuse me, our Navy is smaller now than at any time since 1917. The Navy said they needed 313 ships to carry out their mission. We’re now at under 285. We’re headed down to the low 200s if we go through a sequestration. That’s unacceptable to me.
I want to make sure that we have the ships that are required by our Navy. Our Air Force is older and smaller than at any time since it was founded in 1947.
But President Obama was ready for this weak play:
But I think Governor Romney maybe hasn’t spent enough time looking at how our military works.
You mentioned the Navy, for example, and that we have fewer ships than we did in 1916. Well, Governor, we also have fewer horses and bayonets, because the nature of our military’s changed. We have these things called aircraft carriers, where planes land on them. We have these ships that go underwater, nuclear submarines.
And so the question is not a game of Battleship, where we’re counting slips. It’s what are our capabilities. And so when I sit down with the Secretary of the Navy and the Joint Chiefs of Staff, we determine how are we going to be best able to meet all of our defense needs in a way that also keeps faith with our troops, that also makes sure that our veterans have the kind of support that they need when they come home.
Horses and bayonets quickly began trending on Twitter
Predictably, cognitive dissonance-afflicted conservatives insisted that “horses and bayonets” was a slip by Obama, a slip that would come back to hurt him in sound bites. Ann Coulter came back with
I guess that’s one thing you don’t learn as president. RT @pambestederWow! Just heard on Fox News that Marines STILL use bayonets!— Ann Coulter (@AnnCoulter)
But while many of us cheered President Obama’s “horses and bayonets” moment, some bristled, like Virginia governor Bob McDonnell:
President Obama’s comment about ‘horses and bayonets’ was an insult to every sailor who has put his or her life on the line for our country.
Somehow, McDonnell thinks Obama’s fact-based beat-down of foreign-policy pretender Mitt Romney insulted our veterans. In a statement for Team Romney which accompanied his tweet, McDonnell said,
“The United States Navy calls Hampton Roads home. Norfolk Naval Station is the largest naval station in the world, and all Virginians are honored to have this great facility in the Commonwealth. Unfortunately, President Obama’s dismissive comments about the Navy tonight should be concerning for any voter who cares about the safety and security of Americans at home and abroad. President Obama has not only ignored these concerns — but his flippant comment about ‘horses and bayonets’ was an insult to every sailor who has put his or her life on the line for our country. Gov. Romney is clearly the candidate in this race who recognizes the importance of ensuring that our fighting men and women have the resources and the support they need to protect our interests and ensure that no adversary would think to challenge us. Tonight, Virginians, and all Americans, saw that Mitt Romney is the president we need in a challenging and uncertain world.”
President Obama was, of course, anything but dismissive. It was Romney who said the U.S. Navy couldn’t do its job. Contrary to Romney’s claims, Secretary of the Navy Ray Mabus quite clearly stated in February of this year,
Now, the ships we have today are far more capable than any ships we’ve ever had, and comparing them to the old fleet in terms of numbers is sort of like comparing iPhones to the telegraph. But quantity has a quality all its own if you want capability”
And in April, Mabus said that you can’t compare the Navy’s strength to that of 1917, simply by counting hulls. As he told the Navy Times, “It’s like comparing the telegraph to the smartphone. They’re just not comparable.”
Romney just doesn’t get it. Romney surrogates don’t get it.
Amy Davidson wrote in The New Yorker:
It is a measure of Obama’s success here that Romney supporters came out to object that the Marines do, indeed, still use bayonets, and Virginia’s governor, Bob McDonnell, tweeted that the line was somehow “an insult to every sailor who has put his or her life on the line for our country.” It is not; nor was Obama disparaging Ann Romney and her horse Rafalca by suggesting that the way we measure cavalry forces has changed. If there’s an insult here, it lies in Romney’s apparent assumption that voters are incapable of grasping that distinction. That he even used this line was either an act of clumsiness or a cynical assessment of political discourse, since it has already been widely discredited by fact-checkers. Glenn Kessler, of the Washington Post, called it “nonsense,” and pointed out that even on Romney’s absurd terms it is wrong, since there were fewer ships in George W. Bush’s Navy than in Obama’s. Did Romney suppose that Obama might point that out? Worse, did he not care?
But a New York Times editorial perhaps said it best:
Mitt Romney has nothing really coherent or substantive to say about domestic policy, but at least he can sound energetic and confident about it. On foreign policy, the subject of Monday night’s final presidential debate, he had little coherent to say and often sounded completely lost. That’s because he has no original ideas of substance on most world issues, including Syria, Iran and Afghanistan.
Romney and his surrogates exposed themselves to ridicule last night and responded by trying to ridicule Obama. Their efforts are frantic and transparent. Romney’s one-dimensional thinking would not have gotten him far in the days of wooden ships and iron men and it won’t get him far in today’s complex world.
The Navy knows how many ships it needs to perform its assigned mission and Obama has worked with them to provide both the number and types of required ships. Romney thinks more is better and came across as unaware and ill-informed. He got the slap-down he deserved from President Obama. Putting a spin on his ignorance will not, and cannot, change the facts. They know that, which is why they are scrambling now to change the perception of the facts.
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buckeyewill
Oct. 23rd, 2012 at 8:27 am
First Big Bird
Then Libya
Now Guns and horses
Wow
buckeyewill
Oct. 23rd, 2012 at 8:38 am
CORRECTION:Big Bird,binders, bayonets
Deanne
Oct. 23rd, 2012 at 9:01 am
McCain showed up for his Morning Joe ‘face time on air’ this morning after the debate, as he will do on the Sunday shows this coming weekend.
You know, I’ve just realized something. There is something in common between McCain and Palin. They both have never met a camera they didn’t like!!
McCain came out with pom-poms on saying ‘rah-rah’ — Romney showed he is qualified as Commander-in-Chief. WTF? Romney who has less experience than Obama did in 2008 in that Obama had made trips to war zones as he sat on committees as senator.
McCain in his “I’m still PO’d cause I lost to ‘that one” talk — said the President wasn’t presidential in that he pushed back — he avoided calling him a bully or similar type reference. In fact wearing his snide smirk — McCain implied that the President is still unqualified as Commander-in-Chief.
McCain is a bitter old man who should have exited the stage years ago so he could retain his ‘hero’ worship from some. I’m not one of them. Truthfully, I don’t believe he was a hero. He sold his guys out but they’re not willing to talk. They’ve protected the old man. The story — over years was built on as years later, we all embellish what really happened.
TnkAgn
Oct. 23rd, 2012 at 9:18 am
Good post. John McCain and his views are nearly as outmoded and irrelevant as TR’s “White Fleet” was, back in the day.
Nefer
Oct. 23rd, 2012 at 10:14 am
I remember during the 2008 campaign, while I was getting emails and web links from the Obama campaign, I was getting (via snail mail) fake “telegrams” printed on yellow paper! just like real ones from Western Union! from the McCain campaign. Marked “Urgent”!
Sheesh. Putting Duncinella the Arctic Harpy on his ticket didn’t help my opinion of him.
robyn ryan
Oct. 23rd, 2012 at 11:37 am
Son of an Admiral McCain never met a veteran’s bill he wouldn’t vote against.
TnkAgn
Oct. 23rd, 2012 at 9:12 am
As someone tweeted last night, “Obama’s statement is an insult to all of our mounted troops!”
The Governor has no foreign affairs chops, and the Neo-cons must be furious with him.
As they say in the “sweet science of boxing, “Good Night Sweet Prince!”
Reynardine
Oct. 23rd, 2012 at 12:31 pm
Right! I’m Captain Jinx of the Horse Marines and I resent this!
Hrafnkell Haraldsson
Oct. 23rd, 2012 at 1:38 pm
I love that song, Reynardine. I didn’t know anyone else knew it!
Reynardine
Oct. 23rd, 2012 at 2:10 pm
Well, yes, they taught a slightly bowdlerized version of it to us in fifth grade.
j
Oct. 23rd, 2012 at 9:40 am
The BBC world media says that other countries favor Obama by 50% to 9% for Mitt.
j
Oct. 23rd, 2012 at 9:55 am
Instead of keeping quiet about matters you do not understand, the strange comment from Paul Ryan that he did not know what the comment about muskets and bayonets meant is laughable, he went on to say we need more ships to make our navy strong!!!!!!
I guess that it is true that you should keep your mouth shut and let people think you are ignorant, rather than opening your mouth and confirming that you are.
Hrafnkell Haraldsson
Oct. 23rd, 2012 at 10:12 am
As Ódhinn says in the Hávamál (Words of the High One),
Of his wit hat need/who widely fareth-
a dull wit will do at home;
a laughingstock he/who lacket words
among smart wits when he sits
and,
The unwise man/among others who comes,
let him be sparing of speech;
for no one knows/that naught is in him,
but he open his mouth too much
(Hollander translation)
Just my two Heathen cents worth :)
KatzKids
Oct. 23rd, 2012 at 10:48 am
Perfect in every respect Hraf! Good, smart Heathen, Good, Good! :-)
Dan
Oct. 23rd, 2012 at 11:17 am
Anyone…..ANYONE, that says they did not understand what the President meant with his “horses and bayonets” comment, is diliberatly trying to be obtuse. It’s on par with someone calling the first debate for Obama. You’d have to be a total moron to not understand that one Aegis Cruiser has more range, more firepower, than an entire battle group from 1917! Bayonet charges whether the armchair Marines on the rightchose to admit it or not, do not happen in this day in age! In 1917 it was a strategy. In today’s military, it would be an act of despiration! I’m almost embarrassed at them for playing stupid. They’d rather play dumb and hope their voters are dumb too. If I was a GOP loyalist I’d be ashamed.
Piper
Oct. 23rd, 2012 at 1:21 pm
All I have to say is…Stop attacking me! This is hard!
His Shadow
Oct. 23rd, 2012 at 3:47 pm
Look, I know it’s not fair to categorize people by their political affiliation, but could the Republicans highlighted In this article possibly be any more stupid? Is this really the level of self awareness the rank and file republicans are looking for in their pundits and elected officials?
TigerLily
Oct. 23rd, 2012 at 4:08 pm
That was part of Romneys strategy to keep saying “STOP ATACKING ME”. Key words today on FOX. Obama ATTACKED ROMNEY. Equal to black thugs jumping an innocent white man who was only trying to show how nice and unconfrontational/rude he could be. We tried to twist this to look like he was being attacked. Obama did have a sour look on his face several times. But then..when I looked at myself in the mirror I had the same perplexed pissed off look on my face! And thats because the level of LIES ROMNEY TELLS is just fricken incredibly mind boggling that you can’t wrap your head around it and it pisses one off! I think he’s biploar. Becuse HE IS ALL OVER THE PLACE WITH HIS FOREIGN POLICY LIES..and he’s losing track of them. THAT IS NOT A A LEADER. Bush was dumb but Romney is plain slick wicked and money hungry to the bone. He would turn me off incredibly if I was his wife. I couldn’t stand to be with a man I know is lying and taking from so many so we could have wealth beyond our wildest imaginations. It was all CODE WORD “STOP ATTACKING ME” hoping it would stick with the people. IT DIDN’T. ROMNEY LOOKED LIKE A WIMP. A high school student who forgot to do his homework and figured he could fudge it.
That was all code speak and a reach our for sympathy from the RW minions. IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT FOR A PRESIDENT? That is one serious coward of a man!
Deanne
Oct. 23rd, 2012 at 7:19 pm
It’s easily summed up:
All Rethugs whine that they’re VICTIMS.
Palin
Ann Romney
Mitt
etc., etc., etc.
The list too long to type
Gary Vaughn
Oct. 24th, 2012 at 8:13 am
LOL Roney was all bully in the first 2 debates, and even tried to push this moderator around. The Fox Family said that he showed how strong a leader he was in especially the first one, where he looked like a complete a..hole, then in the one where I think strength matters, Romney showed how weak he was, and instead of saying O showed strength, they called him a meanie, LMMFAO.