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Rick Perry and 4 Reasons To Be Grateful That You Missed The GOP Debate
The 2012 Republican presidential hopefuls gathered at the Reagan Library for a debate, and in case you had better things to do, here are four reasons besides Rick Perry to be grateful that you missed the latest GOP debate.
Rick Perry made his debate debut tonight, and it is clear that he is a proud graduate of the Sarah Palin school of debate. When Perry didn’t care for a question, he simply didn’t answer it. Gov. Perry had no answer for the fact that 25% of the citizens of his state have no health insurance. He couldn’t answer why his state had such a poor performance numbers. If you missed Rick Perry, you didn’t miss much, and here are the four other things you shouldn’t regret missing.
2). The Biggest Loser – The debate between what may very well go down in history as the weakest field ever featured an odd little scene where the two frontrunners, Rick Perry and Mitt Romney managed to use two other historically unpopular politicians (Michael Dukakis and George W. Bush) to point out that neither candidate can create jobs. Two losers using two of American political history’s biggest losers to bash each other was the perfect microcosm of the state of the challengers to Barack Obama.
3). Poor People Would Be Better Off If They Had Less Money – When they weren’t mixing it up, Ron Paul and Rick Perry both agreed that poor people would be better off if the minimum wage was abolished. I can’t wait for the Republican nominee to try to sell to a jobless and impoverished American electorate that they would be better off with less money, while at the same time advocating tax cuts for the rich. As Rachel Maddow has pointed out, the minimum wage is a big winner for Democrats every time it is on the ballot. The Obama campaign is salivating at the opportunity to make the minimum wage an issue in 2012.
4). The Incredible Shrinking Michele Bachmann – On Labor Day the top two officials of her campaign abruptly quit. She has lost 20 points in the polls in about a month. Her once strong lead in Iowa has vanished, and Michele Bachmann was virtually invisible at the debate. Bachmann gave all of her usual talking points, tons of kids, government regulations, Obamacare, but she was an afterthought. Bachmann is now the third wheel in what is clearly a two person race. Ed Rollins knew what he was doing when he quit. The writing is on the wall for Bachmann. She must win Iowa, or she is finished.
5). Here are the Winners and Losers:
Winners:
1). Rick Perry- The Texas governor showed that he does two things very well. He repeats the popular Republican/tea party talking points, and he attacked Mitt Romney and Ron Paul with the skill of a frontrunner. Perry didn’t commit any gaffes, and he probably sold a lot of Republican primary voters on his frontrunner status when he called President Obama an abject liar when he called the border safer.
2). Jon Huntsman- He may be at 1% in the polls, but he got oodles of television time. He was also able to emphasize multiple times his job creation record in Utah. To non-Republicans who tuned in Huntsman was the only person on the stage who sounded somewhat sane. Unfortunately, his lingering sanity is what is likely to keep him at 1% in the polls.
3). Ron Paul- Rep. Paul always can be counted on to do his thing in these debates, but Paul campaign has learned that if they want to be relevant they must attack the frontrunner. The Paul campaign has been attacking Perry on a daily basis, and it paid off big time as the Rick Perry went after Ron Paul for a letter he wrote to Ronald Reagan in the 1980s where he threatened to leave the Republican Party. Getting attacked by the frontrunner granted legitimacy to the Paul campaign, and got him more airtime than usual.
4). Newt Gingrich- Newt once again played cheerleader in defending the field against the horrible, horrible media that dared to ask the candidates questions that they might disagree on. Gingrich is going nowhere fast, but by waving his right wing pom-poms he is guaranteeing a continuation of his right wing celebrity, and maybe even a healthy raise from Fox News.
Losers:
1). Mitt Romney- Mitt Romney has gone from frontrunner to the rich prep school kid who is getting a swirlie in the boys locker room from the first team quarterback and empty headed jock extraordinaire Rick Perry. Less than five minutes into the debate Perry hit Romney hard, and Mittens never really recovered. He was shaky, uncertain, and off his game. The confidence of the “new” Mitt Romney has been shattered. Romney is going to need a big Perry blunder to get back into this race.
2). Michele Bachmann- Here today, gone tomorrow. Bachmann was a complete non-entity. The tone was set earlier as the majority of the GOP candidates were brought into the conversation before she was ever asked a question. Bachmann has gone from Iowa leader and Romney challenger to be the 2011 GOP candidate version of John Edwards circa 2007. She has run out of talking points and has absolutely nothing new to offer the GOP field. Bachmann should finish the year in win or go home mode. Right now, she is on the outside looking.
3). Rick Santorum- He is doing better in the polls than Jon Huntsman, but he once again got a tiny bit of airtime, and did nothing to demonstrate that he belongs on the stage as a presidential candidate.
4). Herman Cain- The novelty is over. The ride is over. Herman Cain is an empty suit that is accomplishing nothing more than sucking up oxygen on the stage.
All in all this debate was more of the same. Mitt Romney thinks that Americans should be able to save up to $200,000 of their investment income tax free. (Romney doesn’t seem to realize that before the market collapsed less than 20% of Americans would be eligible for his tax break). Rick Perry sounded and acted a lot like George W. Bush, and the rest of the candidates were mostly invisible.
If this is the best that the GOP has got, Barack Obama won’t be losing much sleep between now and 2012.
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Arelius705
Sep. 7th, 2011 at 9:56 pm
Perry on climate change….priceless.
Doris
Sep. 7th, 2011 at 10:02 pm
To add to the circus….calling $carah PaYme…calling $carah PaYme….
Ingarose
Sep. 7th, 2011 at 10:13 pm
Who won tonight? Sarah Palin by not participating and coming in at the end of September to save the day. Because right now people disagree a lot who won and lost.
Robert Chapman
Sep. 8th, 2011 at 12:13 pm
Ingarose, am I right in reading that you predict Sarah Palin will declare her candidacy by the end of September?
Fascinating stuff.
Sally
Sep. 7th, 2011 at 10:17 pm
What scared me was the APPLAUSE for the fact that Perry has executed 234 people in his state! I am in a non-execution state, and proud of it (although if Snyder has his way, I’m sure capitol punishment will be back on the ballot while he is still Dictator.) If the death penalty is so wonderful, why is the murder rate in
death penalty states 4.9, while in non death penalty states it is 2.8? For a card-carrying, prayer leading, Bible thumping Chrsitian, he sure has an interesting take on “Thou shalt not kill.”
Sarah Jones
Sep. 7th, 2011 at 10:30 pm
I was equally appalled by supposedly “pro-life Christians” clapping at executions, plus Perry’s record of executing mentally challenged isn’t exactly clapping material.
Robert Chapman
Sep. 8th, 2011 at 12:22 pm
Perry defended 234 executions. 234 executions, that number exceeds US fatalities in the war against the Taliban for all but one year.
How can a public official claim he is doing his duty of maintaining public safety in a hellish environment that tolerates the behavior of people capable of capital crimes until they kill?
Maybe Perry ought to think a bit longer about doing something about the festering problems that abound in Texas.
neil
Sep. 7th, 2011 at 10:32 pm
Typical republican/tea party crap fest.The only one that made any sense was Huntsman but with this crowd that’ll kill him.They all called on the ghost of Reagan who in my humble opinion was the 2nd worst president we’ve had.That will be the last time I waste my time watching these losers.Too bad palin wasn’t on stage to make it totally useless.Why is there an airplane inside the library?
Eykis
Sep. 8th, 2011 at 12:10 pm
Jason,
Terrific article, as usual. Thank you.
Neil,
I kept asking my hubby that airplane question as well and for once, I felt sorry for 92 yro Nancy Reagan having to be dragged out and man-handled for hours on end to listen to tripe.
Huntsman sounded sane, and has great skills due to ambassadorial experiences.
The Rest of the Rethuggery Morans, are just imbeciles including Gordon Gekko Romney.
Shiva (Moderator)
Sep. 7th, 2011 at 10:32 pm
We need to see more of Perry unable to answer questions about Texas. That will have to be hammered in time.
Bachmann could never have been taken seriously. That was obvious by her speech after the state of the union address
Romney has to realize his time was done when a 700 year old man beat him out the first time. He is dying to be a career politician. But if Perry is found out, he will be the man
Eykis
Sep. 8th, 2011 at 12:19 pm
Shiva,
Check out Malia Litman’s blog regarding El Paso, Texas.
malialitman.wordpress.com...
As someone who lived in New Mexico, 80 miles from El Paso for 15 years, EVERYBODY knows that the Border is safer now than it was before.
P-RickParry needs to be CORRECTED on El Paso, he also needs to be called down for the GUNS travelling from Texas to Mexico.
FIX THE DANG GUN LAWS, p-rick.
e
Sep. 7th, 2011 at 10:40 pm
so funny watching the establishment try to sell Romney as they watch Perry explode in crazy.
Robert Chapman
Sep. 8th, 2011 at 12:25 pm
Who is the GOP trying to sell as their candidate? It seems that all the dependably conservative/GOP blogs and publications like Perry.
Jolene
Sep. 7th, 2011 at 11:03 pm
The bots at the C$P are saying “Sarah won the debate.” Yes, I really must stop checking them out. Agree with your analysis, Jason, that Jon Huntsman was the only candidate on that stage who sounded like a reasonable human being.
Ingarose
Sep. 8th, 2011 at 12:03 am
Funny that you should say that. I did not check out C4P but said the same thing a couple of posts back, because that is something Sarah Palin and her fans would do. Especially since nobody really won tonight. It just depends who you talk to.
Shiva (Moderator)
Sep. 8th, 2011 at 12:10 am
Tonight they are attacking Fox News for the poll they did. Calling Fox left wing among other names. They dont realize that its the Fox Viewers who determined the poll results, not Fox. Then they are saying Fox is very anti Palin. Hilarious!
Reynardine
Sep. 7th, 2011 at 11:53 pm
I didn’t see this spectacle, but (a) think Huntsman is the only Republican whose presidency our nation could survive; (b) think the enraged shade of LBJ is torching Perry’s state and just might catch up to him and burn his ass out. So why didn’t he go after W? Because LBJ wouldn’t even have thought of him as a man, let alone a Texan.
Mikeyhatesit
Sep. 8th, 2011 at 12:41 am
I actually had a conversation with someone a year or so back, when healthcare reform was at the forefront of national discourse. I asked this Tea Partier (who early on parroted the “unconstitutional” meme) about Social Security. He replied that because it was enacted before he was born, there was nothing to be done about it but to accept it; but he was going to do what he could to prevent HCR from happening.
Eighteen months later, I am not one iota surprised to hear the Tea Party candidates stating their intent to dismantle Social Security as soon as they can get their hands on it. I’m actually disheartened that it’s gotten this far.
Robert Chapman
Sep. 8th, 2011 at 12:11 pm
The first article of the constitution gives congress the power to regulate trade. It is difficult to see health care reform as anything more than regulation of trade. The arguments that it is unconstitutional simply don’t make sense.
Social Security is part of the New Deal legislation that the contemporary Supreme Court scrutinized and ruled on. Numerous New Deal measures were declared unconstitutional. Social Security made the cut and remained in effect.
Laws are not optional, they must be obeyed, that is what makes them laws. The individual you talked to has no right to break the intergenerational compact of social security. Tens of millions have paid into all their working lives to assure that they would be provided for in their old age. The sheer callousness and bad faith of this individual’s remark is breath=taking.
He will not be morally free to phase out social security until he becomes a beneficiary. If he then decides that social security is inexpedient he can refuse his benefits and declare opposition to the program’s continuation.
But he won’t.
dem9586792844592
Sep. 8th, 2011 at 1:17 am
“Perry didn’t commit any gaffes”
Some people would cite Perry’s insistence on Social-Security-as-Ponzi-scheme, as a gaffe.
Energy.
This was the first debate I watched this season, but what I noticed, mixed into all the stock Republican fantasy economics, was the return of “Drill, baby, drill!”
Ramping up domestic oil/gas/coal production may despoil the landscape and hasten potentially drastic climate change, but it has a certain soundness of economic logic. No doubt it generates jobs, corresponding to what might be accomplished by federal stimulus spending on public works projects. Lower energy costs result in lower business overhead and greater household solvency. Empirically, there’s typically a recession following each of the oil price spikes. Less dependence on foreign oil has the potential to dampen our enthusiasm for super-expensive military adventures.
Politically, it’s obviously an easy sell to angry consumers. People were chanting the slogan last time around. What seems much more complex and challenging is to explain the resistance from liberals (such as myself).
Robert Chapman
Sep. 8th, 2011 at 12:02 pm
It is highly unlikely domestic drilling would significantly lower energy costs. The reserves that remain in our territory are a. very deep; b. in inhospitable, remote places, or c. in geological formations that make extraction expensive, difficult and environmentally brutal.
Drill baby drill is the uninformed cry of people looking for another Spindle Top.
Unfortunately, the future of the American drilling industry isn’t Spindle Top, it is Deep Water Horizon, Tar Sands, the artic and fracking.
Exploiting our domestic reserves will create enormous problems and bring little in the way or relief of energy costs.
Investment in wind is far more sensible and cost effective.
Geek Hillbilly (@GeekHillbilly)
Sep. 8th, 2011 at 6:24 am
I skipped the GOP Clown show and circle jerk,but was kept informed by twitter friends who tortured themselves by watching the “Pinky and the Brainless” debate. I hope they can recover
Shiva (Moderator)
Sep. 8th, 2011 at 8:56 am
they are going to need your help and guidance for a while. Pay them back by taking them fruit baskets
Reynardine
Sep. 8th, 2011 at 1:44 pm
With assorted nuts.
Anne
Sep. 8th, 2011 at 9:14 am
I didn’t waste time watching this nutfest either, but there were commentators on MSNBC who were analyzing it. Just as I thought, they said nothing new about how to jump start the economy and generate jobs. It was the same old discredited nonsense about tax cuts, as well as Perry’s stupidity about “Ponzi schemes.” I did see an excerpt where Perry and Romney attacked each other on job creation. Neither one has a record to be proud of, as Perry’s state ties Mississippi in having the highest number of minimum wage jobs, along with other unenviable distinctions. While Romney was governor of Massachusetts, that state was 47th out of all 50 in job creation. It’s a case of the pot meeting the kettle. As for Bachmann, it was only a matter of time before she flamed out. After all, this is Palin #2. The only one who sounds sane is Huntsman, which is why he is so far behind. The lunatics have taken over the GOP.
f joy
Sep. 8th, 2011 at 10:18 am
Fact checking per the Rachel Maddow show on MSNBC proved Perry wrong on calling the President a liar about the Texas border, but the majority of the main stream media will run it all day anyway. Fact checking also proved Romney wrong in his claim that he created more jobs in Massachusetts than Obama did for the country. Still the main stream media is not interested in running the truth all day. They just want to sensationalize the lie. It’s disgusting.
Robert Chapman
Sep. 8th, 2011 at 11:55 am
it is hard to say whether the US-Mexico border is safer now or not. What metric would be used? It is clear that President Obama and DHS Secretary Naplitano have vastly increased the number of border patrol agents deployed along the US southern border.
It is also clear that the drug cartels in Mexico are much stronger and more militant now than they have been at any time in the past.
What can the US President do to tamp down the drug flow and help make the US-Mexico border safer?
Do we want red hot rhetoric and a war on global drug terrorism, or do we want leadership of the sort that brought Osama bin Laden to justice and deposed Muamar Gadaffi.
If people are looking for rhetoric, the R party is the place to go.
If they are looking for defense than the D party is the right one to vote for.
f joy
Sep. 8th, 2011 at 10:24 am
These two so called front runners are very dishonest men even at this stage of the game. I can’t imagine the corruption that would take place under their leaderships. They are both wealthy men who want to see the rest of the world living below minimum wage or in a slave state. They want no unions, no real education other than for the wealthy, and they want to rich richer. While Texas burns, Perry is profiling and playing cowboy. Romney is making plans to enlarge his 11 million dollar home to at least double the square footage. And that’s just one of his homes. How can he possibly relate to those who have lost their jobs or their homes or their healthcare? Who are these people and how do they sleep at night?
A Walkaway
Sep. 8th, 2011 at 12:15 pm
When I was an undergraduate, one of the editors of the school newspaper told me that I shouldn’t be in school unless I could pay out-of-pocket for it, and that student aid should be ended. He was quite angry at a comment I’d written regarding poverty and student aid (as I remember).
He only backed down after I told him why I returned to school, and showed him that I wasn’t responsible for my medical conditions (he said I was a rare case – according to him, if you were disabled you usually did something to make yourself that way).
Yeah, they want only the rich to be educated (those that can pay out-of-pocket for their classes and stuff)… and the rest of us can just be slaves.
ProChoiceGrandma
Sep. 8th, 2011 at 11:24 am
Willard Mitt Romney – smart enough to know not to knock SS, even though he will do the same as Perry to “privatize” SS to enrich Wall Street.
Prick Perry – SS is a Ponzi scheme? Well, he should know about Ponzi schemes, isn’t that what he is doing in Texas, using federal funds to “balance’ his budget? Galileo? The Catholic Church convicted him for grave suspicion of heresy for proving the sun didn’t revolve around the earth, and was sentenced to house arrest for the duration of his life. Sort of like what the Dominionists will do, eh?
Don Ron Paul – weird old dude with anti-mandate-anything and every-man-for-himself mentality (with the exception of women, who should be mandated from head to toe, especially their uterus, but no one brought up this subject last night). Apparently Ron Paul wants to take us back to the time of covered wagons – oh wait, even the settlers helped each other out to cross rivers and mountains. The most frightening thing I heard last night was that the airlines should police themselves, since I live under a flight path.
Bachmann – looked like she was in the midst of a migraine – she’s done. Still pimping that she “raised” 23 fosters.
Jon Huntsman – uh oh, he believes in science, ergo he must be anti-God. The TeaParty religious zealots (and their climate-polluter sponsors David and Charles Koch) will never let him near the nomination.
Newt Blingrich – the tone of his voice sounds strong, but his tome is the same empty useless failed policy.
Santorum – who? Must google.
Herman Cain – Maybe he should start a new fastfood chain, McCains. Oops.
Robert Chapman
Sep. 8th, 2011 at 11:48 am
Prick Perry – SS is a Ponzi scheme? Well, he should know about Ponzi schemes, isn’t that what he is doing in Texas, using federal funds to “balance’ his budget?
Rick Perry failed to balance the Texas budget and had one of the highest debt to revenue ratios among the fifty states. This is not a situation he inherited either, it is the situation after he has been Governor for ten years.
Mr. Perry’s response was to slash education funding and lay-off thousands of teachers. In balancing his budget, the Texas Governor also laid off a large number of other state workers, and will reduce contracts. The fourth quarter of 11 and the first quarters of 2012, might change the Texas job creation miracle, although Perry will be well enough established by then that it won’t matter.
It was a crack-up listening to Perry deride Romney for failing to come up to Mike Dukakis’ job creation numbers. There was a governor who knew how to leverage state resources to bring private employers into his state.
Even today, more than a decade after the Duke has left office, Massachusetts still has lower unemployment and much higher household earnings than Texas.
ProChoiceGrandma
Sep. 8th, 2011 at 12:21 pm
Thanks for providing more thorough information about Rick Perry’s record. In the interest of time, that is why I put “balance” in quotation marks. Most recently, he reduced funds for firefighting by 75% if I recall correctly. Apparently, Perry’s written proclamation calling for 3 days of prayer for rain to end the worst drought in 100 years negated the need for firefighters. It seems his Dominionist Prayer Warriors have lousy aim, and the rain hit the East Coast instead. Using Michele Bachmann’s logic, God must be pissed at Perry and instead of rain, sent wildfires.
*facepalm*
Robert Chapman
Sep. 8th, 2011 at 11:40 am
Ron Paul and Rick Perry both agreed that poor people would be better off if the minimum wage was abolished.
Mitt Romney thinks that Americans should be able to save up to $200,000 of their investment income tax free
These two quotes, taken from the words of the GOP presidential candidates spell out the GOP philosophy on economics.
Use the economy to discipline and scourge the poor; use the government to ennoble and protect the rich.
Can anyone not understand why there is a massive federal deficit when the government is being required to leave investment earnings of this magnitude untaxed?
As for minimum wage, I have an old. but vivid memory of a dinner spent sitting next to a woman who complained bitterly that her husband’s restaurant couldn’t get dishwashers because the pay he offered couldn’t compete with welfare. Of course, the restaurant was a side business he ran to create an offset to his primary business- in other words a sophisticated tax shelter.
But back to the main point- minimum wage can’t compete with welfare. I repeat, minimum wage can’t compete with welfare. The GOP answer is of course to cut welfare.
Work has to be affordable- people have to make enough to live, why else put up with the discipline and discomfort. The alternatives are not just crime and welfare, many people go into an underground economy of selling services or goods. How many people are out there giving haircuts in their garages, doing auto repairs in parking lots, and selling electronics on the internet.
If business people don’t want low overhead competitors coming out of the woodwork while their customer bases dwindle away from lack of employment, they had better get away from policies like those espoused by politicians like Rick Perry.
A Walkaway
Sep. 8th, 2011 at 12:44 pm
“Work has to be affordable- people have to make enough to live, why else put up with the discipline and discomfort.”
Not just discipline and discomfort. If you’re poor, they also want you to put up with any abuse the owner decides to dish out.
That is EXACTLY what one of the biggest homeless programs in this state is teaching their “clients”. To tolerate whatever abuse (even including physical) comes their way in order to keep their minimum-wage job. To be “Thankful to God” for any abusive and low-paying horrible situation they might find themselves in, and to do their very best at it with the hope that they might get a raise or promotion. Their caseworker assigned to teaching “good job skills” was blunt and up-front about it.
She was adamant that “bad work ethic” is the reason people were homeless and that they had to learn to take whatever their employer dished out, and their “pride” led to them being unemployed in the first place. She flat refused to believe that there were abusive employers (and that they were common), and insisted that everything was the employee’s fault.
Yet she also admitted that her job didn’t pay enough to afford even a simple apartment, and that without her husband’s paycheck and hers, they would be homeless. I almost asked her why she didn’t think about that for the people she “taught”. (She’d already yelled at me once for contradicting her beliefs, so I didn’t ask.)
Most of the people on Welfare would rather work instead of getting government assistance. I’ve only met a handful through my entire life that didn’t – and those people were scamming the system while working under the table.
ProChoiceGrandma
Sep. 8th, 2011 at 12:48 pm
I was shocked to learn when my daughter worked as a waitress at a major chain restaurant that she only earned $2.50/hr, far below the minimum wage at the time, which was $4.75. Not only that, but they had to roll the silver, clean the brass, and many other time consuming duties during which time they were not receiving tips. Slave labor.
Ever since, I leave a larger tip.
A Walkaway
Sep. 8th, 2011 at 1:04 pm
Did they require her to share a portion of her tips with her boss and maybe a couple of others?
That’s been known to happen.
ProChoiceGrandma
Sep. 8th, 2011 at 8:10 pm
As far as I recall, they had to share their tips with the busboys, but I don’t know of any others.
Russell P.
Sep. 8th, 2011 at 2:48 pm
“Gov. Perry had no answer for the fact that 25% of the citizens of his state have no health insurance.”
Oh he has an answer, but he won’t take the heat for it if he were to say it. Fact is, he simply doesn’t care about people below a certain income level. He thinks they’re lazy white trash and n*****’s. It’s frightening to know that the majority of the Republican voters think the same….secretly of course.
Snooze Hamilton
Sep. 9th, 2011 at 11:01 am
“If this is the best that the GOP has got, Barack Obama won’t be losing much sleep between now and 2012.”
That would make me feel better if I a) didn’t know so many (alleged) people who want Obama out of office so much they don’t care who might take his place and b) had complete faith in elections to be fraud-proof.
Shiva (Moderator)
Sep. 9th, 2011 at 11:17 am
I want to say that it will be easy for Obama, but I know better. This is going to be the dirtiest election in American history and we know that the dirt is going to be obvious
dem9586792844592
Sep. 10th, 2011 at 12:42 am
Great title. Ed Rollins still seems to be somewhat connected with the campaign, though. He was in the spin room rooting for her after the debate on Wednesday.
dem9586792844592
Sep. 10th, 2011 at 12:49 am
Oops, wrong page.