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It was Romney Vulture Capitalist Style Management that Killed Hostess, Not Unions
A scapegoat is a person or group made to bear the blame for another’s actions, and usually they are easy targets to assign blame for something they had nothing to do with. Republicans have attempted to blame union labor for much of the nation’s economic woes in recent years and, yesterday, the Hostess Brands took a page right out of Republicans’ playbook and blamed a union strike as the reason they were shutting their doors and liquidating their assets costing 18,500 employees their jobs. However, much of the responsibility for Hostess shutting down lies with the company’s management and the private equity firm behind them, and yet union workers are the ones bearing the blame and subsequently will suffer the consequences of the shutdown.
Hostess Brands’ demise is a recurring story that should be well-known after Americans learned the predatory private equity tactics of Bain Capital during Willard Romney’s failed run for the White House. In fact, union president Richard Trumka pointed out that Wall Street investors that own Hostess were disinterested in the company’s success and cited similarities to the situation of Bain Capital and KB Toys in 2000. As a reminder, Bain Capital’s scheme was leveraging companies with crushing debt, cutting workers’ wages and benefits, and when the company can no longer repay their loans they go into bankruptcy, often more than once. Hostess is in bankruptcy for the second time since 2009 and a major factor in their inability to succeed is that over the past eight years, they were owned by Wall Street investors that were restructuring experts, managers from other non-baking food companies, and now a liquidation specialist. There was no plan for Hostess to succeed and it appears that was the objective all along.
Hostess’s failure was compounded by having six CEO’s in 8 years who had no experience in the bread or cake baking industry, and despite their financial woes, the company’s CEO got a 300% salary increase from $750,000 to $2,250,000, and other top executives received raises worth hundreds-of-thousands of dollars; all while the company was struggling. Instead of acknowledging the lack of competent leadership and exorbitant executive salaries as contributing to the company’s decision to close its doors, CEO Gregory Rayburn issued a statement saying, “We deeply regret the necessity of today’s decision, but we do not have the financial resources to weather an extended nationwide strike.” However, Rayburn and Hostess management claimed the strike would be responsible for closing plants even before there was a strike, and they had made plans to close plants whether or not workers accepted the Draconian wage and benefit cuts the company offered, or if they went on strike.
Hostess workers previously made numerous concessions to keep the company afloat, but they were not enough for the company’s management so they stopped making contractually-obligated contributions to employee’s pensions to save money. The employees stayed on the job until management offered a new contract cutting wages and benefits an extra 27 – 32 percent that prompted employees to strike and thus become scapegoats for Hostess’s demise. What Hostess failed to tell the public is that plans were in the works to close plants months before offering to slash workers’ wages. According to the company’s 1113 bankruptcy court filing earlier this year, they planned to close at least nine bakeries as part of its reorganization plan in addition to the three bakeries that were to be closed as a result of the company’s planned sale of its Merita division. In a November article, St. Louis Mayor Francis Slay said, “I was told months ago they were planning on closing the site in St. Louis, and there was no indication at that time it had anything to do with the strike the workers were waging.”
The ideal of blaming unions for Hostess’s bankruptcy and subsequent shutdown is one that transcends corporations and is being used by Republicans in states and at the federal level to garner public support for eliminating unions. Hostess Wall Street investors were not interested in the company’s success or they would have appointed competent managers and a CEO with experience in the baking industry as well as reining in salaries the way they cut worker wages. Using Romney’s tactics of loading up the company with debt it could not possible repay is a proven death-knell for any business, and as usual the losers in the Hostess affair are 18,500 workers who lost not only their pensions, but their jobs. It is the private equity blueprint for enriching a few at the expense of shareholders, lenders, creditors and especially workers.
There is a saying that imitation is the highest form of flattery, and the Hostess story should make Romney proud because the vulture capital tactics Wall Street investors used to destroy the Twinkie manufacturer follow Romney’s creative destruction model explicitly, and it includes eliminating union representation. The idea that union labor is responsible for any company or state’s financial difficulties is fallacious because throughout the Great Recession, union workers in every industry have made concessions, but until all unions are disbanded, conservatives will continue blaming them for America’s economic troubles.
Republicans’ problem with unions is two-fold; first, union representation prohibits their corporate donors from paying Chinese-style wages, and second, unions contribute to Democratic candidates. It was little reported in the media that during the presidential campaign, Willard Romney said he thought it was blatantly unfair that unions contributed to Democratic causes, and he wanted it to end, and yet he fiercely defended the right of corporations to donate unlimited campaign cash to Republican candidates and causes. It is why Republicans attack union labor at every opportunity, and Hostess blaming union representation as the cause for its closure is part of an ongoing propaganda campaign to incite the public against unions.
Union labor had nothing to do with Hostess closing its doors, but they are the scapegoats for the company’s mismanagement and Wall Street investor’s incompetence. Besides being blamed for something they had nothing to do with, 18,500 employees have lost their jobs while the company’s CEO and executives earned higher salaries for destroying the struggling company. Hostess did have problems, but they did not come from union labor and as 18,500 employees lose their jobs and pensions, Wall Street investors and company executives are counting their ill-gotten riches and looking for the next company to leverage with debt, raid their assets, and blame union workers in what is a continuing war on organized labor that will only end when unions go the way of the Twinkie.
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Anne
Nov. 17th, 2012 at 5:24 pm
Contrary to the idea that Romney style vulture capitalism is business-friendly, what it does is view the most important resource of a business as expendable–namely, the employees who contribute to the wealth a business enjoys. It’s worth noting that business does better under Democratic presidential administrations than it does under Republican ones. A solid, vibrant middle class is the underpinning for the stability of businesses and the country as a whole. Unions are the means through which employees have a say in the issues on the job that affect their well-being.
Unca Mikey
Nov. 18th, 2012 at 12:44 am
Unions also caused climate change, Benghazi, 911, and Unicorn extinction. Anyone ever tell the right wing that blaming your brother every time you break the lamp only works for the first couple times?
Lauren MacArthur
Nov. 18th, 2012 at 9:35 am
Has anyone told the President this?
Tony
Nov. 18th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
Anne,
You obviously have no clue what you are talking about. You might want to do your research before making unfounded statements. Businesses have never done better under a democratic presidency. Check your facts!
Shiva (Moderator)
Nov. 18th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
Hilarious! We just need to look back to CLinton to see you are making a fool of yourself.
Over the last 50 years Under Democrats the economy has made the most gains under a democratic administration
www.foxbusiness.com/inves...
Betty Bentley
Nov. 18th, 2012 at 5:13 pm
Let’s remember that during the Clinton administration there was a Republican Congress, so it’s a little far fetched to say that business excels more under one party than another.
Shiva (Moderator)
Nov. 18th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
Then the statement cant be made either way. In any case you are arguing with Fox Business news.
BTW, you are basically blaming the GOP congress for the bad performance now. Its not Obama’s fault right?
Betty Bentley
Nov. 18th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
Actually, I’m not arguing with Fox News or you. I’m stating the fact that it is never as cut and dried as you may think. There are many different factors that come into play. I read the article you linked and you could still look at it differently than how they interpret the numbers. I can state emphatically that business will not be improving under Obama, because he does not do ANYTHING that promotes business and jobs. And like the article said, there is usually a mess to be cleaned up.
Shiva (Moderator)
Nov. 18th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
Really? Like 21 separate tax cuts for small business? And subsidizing healthcare for small business depending on size? Obama is far more business oriented than Bush was, all Bush did was deregulate and you see where that got us
I dont think you have researched your statement
32 straight months of employment increases?
Betty Bentley
Nov. 18th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
By the way, we do not have a GOP Congress now. We will have less Republicans than when we did before the election. We have a Democratic controlled Senate, and a Republican controlled House.
Shiva (Moderator)
Nov. 18th, 2012 at 6:06 pm
We have a GOP house that controls the spending. Sorry.
John Shallenberger
Nov. 18th, 2012 at 8:38 pm
I think you need to recheck your history dumbass, just look back to the days when President Clinton was in office!!! Now just think in 4 mores years we will be rite back there, Thanks to our great President Brack Obama!!!
Anne
Nov. 18th, 2012 at 8:51 pm
I already HAVE done my research, doofus. Otherwise, I wouldn’t have made my comment. History also shows more jobs actually created under Democratic administrations than Republican ones. Deal with it.
TicViking
Nov. 18th, 2012 at 11:11 pm
Hey Tony,
Check out this comparison of the records of the two parties.
davidbrin.blogspot.com/20...
Vic
Nov. 18th, 2012 at 11:20 pm
there is nothing stopping the unions to purchase this company and using all of thier expertise to run the show so much better.
UNION GUY
Nov. 19th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
Just maybe the Union is at fault….In September, one of its major unions, the International Brotherhood of Teamsters, voted narrowly to accept a new contract with reduced wages and benefits. The bakers’ union rejected the deal, however, prompting Hostess management to secure permission from a bankruptcy court to force a new concession contract on workers.
The Teamsters union, which represents 7,500 Hostess workers, has been sharply critical of the smaller Bakers’ decision to strike, saying it was forcing the company to the cusp of liquidation. The Teamsters said Thursday that the Bakers’ union should hold a secret ballot vote on the company’s offer, rather than the voice votes that were held in union halls around the country that authorized the decision to strike.
“It is difficult for Teamster members to believe that is what the [Bakers union] Hostess members ultimately wanted to accomplish when they went out on strike,” said the Teamsters’ statement.
The Bakers’ union has made several statements earlier in the week saying management is to blame for the condition of the company, not the strike.
The new contract cut salaries across the company by 8% in the first year of the five-year agreement. Salaries were then scheduled to bump up 3% in the next three years and 1% in the final year.
Hostess also reduced its pension obligations and its contribution to the employees’ health care plan. In exchange, the company offered concessions, including a 25% equity stake for workers and the inclusion of two union representatives on an eight-member board of directors.
bill
Nov. 19th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
Then why did the teamsters “you know the tough guys” agree.?
UNION GUY
Nov. 19th, 2012 at 11:30 pm
You asked why?…Here’s what Teamster General-Secretary Treasurer Ken Hall said:
“Today’s development is a positive step toward finding a solution that will keep 18,500 men and women employed at Hostess. We are hopeful that the bakers’ union and the management team can find common ground during this mediation and avert liquidation.
It is in the best interest of all parties involved that we remember what is at stake – the future of 18,500 workers and their families. This is not only about a brand or a product, it is also about real people that just want to work hard every day to provide for their families.
The Teamsters will closely monitor the mediation between the BCTGM and Hostess management and assist in any way we can to help the two sides reach an agreement that keeps the company’s doors open.” I guess the BCTGM didn’t agree with the Teamsters!
John A. Zaffino
Nov. 17th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
It figures. The same take down the union that Verizon is using to leverage it’s way out of the business that it started in. they want to send their call centers overseas and divest themselves of all the traditional POTS services that are left out there. Sure, the average person is thinking “Why would I need that service when I have a cell phone?” Well, see how long that cell phone lasts you when the power is out for more than a couple of hours.
Corporations, by their very nature, are greedy these days. Once the human element is removed, they are soulless money machines. Bring back Hostess!! No way they were losing money.
Conservative Heart
Nov. 17th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
Contrary to facts, stats and reality, I will continue to believe it was the ugly, liberal, greedy, fascist, socialist, communist UNIONS that destroyed patriotic Americans’ rights to obesity, to high cholesterol, to diabetes, to high blood pressure.
Yes, I am a Ding Dong!
Reynardine
Nov. 17th, 2012 at 6:28 pm
Hi, Edgar Allen.
A Walkaway
Nov. 17th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
Did I hear a dinner bell?
1voice1vote
Nov. 17th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
Take heart, Heart:
Freedom to consume lard whipped with sugar will not suffer – Oreos!
crystalwolfakacaligrl
Nov. 17th, 2012 at 11:23 pm
OMG! we must get Baldy palin to speak on that! The nanny state and ALL! Bwhahahahaaaa!
Jeff
Nov. 17th, 2012 at 8:49 pm
Your comment about unions ignores the fact that the well being of the middle class is inextricably tied to the well being of the unions. When unions became strong the country prospered, when union busting became public policy, the middle class stagnated then went into decline. This is not opinion. This is fact. Compare union membership with the increase in median income and you will see.
Btw, aren’t fascists and communists opposite? Only in the bizarro world would they be considered one and the same.
crystalwolfakacaligrl
Nov. 17th, 2012 at 11:29 pm
Jeff, the Union busting been going on since the 30′s!
I grew up in a Union house! This cr%p is appalling to me!
It is union busting pure and simple…they put it right after the election with a fox news spin…. Oh boo flckin’ hoo!
We need to get down and raise hell.
We will boycott any RW eatery or biz who doesn’t pay fair wage and implement Obamacare! Fed Ex pay peeps by the piece?Take them to labor board.
Strong Union=Strong middle class. What I haven’t seen since the 70′s!
Julie
Nov. 18th, 2012 at 1:27 am
If you are throwing ugly, liberal, greedy, fascist, socialist, communist, you need to add on the rest of them like this: conservative, green, libertarian, neonazi, ufo-lover, psychobabel, brown, theyoursocksshouldmatch party and more. All the ones you list completely contradict each other as it is. It makes not sense unless you list all that exist. Quit with throwing in all “naughty” political propaganda terms you know without knowing what they mean. It makes you less credible to the majority of the population.
Unions are supposed to protect people, unlike the two Koch brothers ideals (their money is all over our political system and originates from Russian oil during the cold war) who try to push their agenda to social issues for profit. Guess what? They pay millions in political contribution and for political ads to get rid of social security, called Eisenhower a communist agent, want to remove human services and try to get rid of all worker rights for years. Some unions need revamping and the workers should retake them. If we remove unions completely we go back to the 1900′s with no minimum wage, 12 hour days, child labor, and unhealthy conditions. Meanwhile evil business destroyers will profit. I am not a union worker but they need to exist.
Last point: you have plenty of non-bankrupt companies that distribute fatty foods to continue your qwest of immobility. Good luck!
robbie_z
Nov. 17th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
and people wonder why the repubs and their buddies in big business are so hot on deregulation. you would have thought after the savings & loan mess, then wall street and the houseing fiasco we would have learned that some will stop at nothing to make a buck. is this the new scam of the future that not only makes a profit, it kills unions. we don’t need less regulation but more. and the funny part is these clowns bring it on them selves in the quest for the almighty dollar. these kinds of actions will not stop until some of these ceo’s and top mngt. find their butts in jail and their fortunes taken away.
majii
Nov. 17th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
As governor, it was Romney’s refusal to crack down on the pharmaceutical company in MA whose compounding methods have contributed to the deaths of Americans and to some others contracting meningitis. When the regulatory agency wanted to reign in the pharmaceutical company by making it clean up its compounding process, Romney overruled the agency. He favored protecting the company’s profits over the health of his own citizens and the health of other Americans.
Sally
Nov. 17th, 2012 at 8:02 pm
That was one of the ignored stories of the campaign: Romney’s ties to the meningitis outbreak. And where are the great dogged ‘journalists’ at Fox? They won’t let go of four Americans killed in a war zone, but they ignore the dozens killed and sick from this dirty lab, directly connected to a GOP Governor’s actions. Oh.
karen
Nov. 18th, 2012 at 8:30 pm
“They won’t let go of four Americans killed in a war zone, but they ignore the dozens killed and sick from this dirty lab, directly connected to a GOP Governor’s actions.”
Shame on you Sally for expecting anyone to “let go of four Americans killed in a war zone.” Without these 4 people, plus countless others who have given their lives, we Americans wouldn’t be free to live the life we make for ourselves. I will never forget what happened in Libya & how Obama lied & continues to lie to us about what really happened. I’m ashamed to even think that there are Americans out there like you who don’t give a damn about our military.
Shiva (Moderator)
Nov. 18th, 2012 at 8:45 pm
Really? DO you remember the 38 killed in embassy attacks under Bush? I bet not. The days of saying someone is fighting for our freedoms were gone right after WW2 ended.
BTW, Petreaus has already proven Obama didnt lie.
JerryStephen™
Nov. 19th, 2012 at 2:37 am
The four killed in Libya were diplomatic people, not “troops”. Your fake outrage is getting old. Four American STATE DEPT employees died. Tragic, yes. Conspiracy, no. 38 died under Bush.
It time to put the “point the finger at the black man” style of politics in the dumpster where it belongs.
Let’s talk about the economy instead. Let’s talk about employment and jobs. Let’s talk about debt and deficit spending.
Oh, if you’re coming with negativity and complaints, don’t bother. We need people to talk about ways to improve America, not whys of dissatisfaction.
RMuse
Nov. 17th, 2012 at 10:44 pm
Majii – The Massachusetts company guilty of creating the meningitis outbreak story was covered here. www.politicususa.com/25-a...
john ned
Nov. 17th, 2012 at 6:59 pm
Excellent commentary and a needed dose of truth. As I mentioned earlier, the private equity scam, certainly did the company in, but the stage was set by the mergers and acquisitions mania of 80s and 90s. Hostess was bought and sold by conglomerate like ITT and Ralston-Purina and then “spun-off” ( a nicer euphemism than “put on an ice flow” or “thrown under the bus” by RP in the late 90s. Hostess was saddled with debt, the stock was vastly overvalued, resulting in shareholder lawsuits, SEC investigations for fraud, and the irregularities with $40 Million set aside for workers compensation. Hostess CEO/Chairman Charles Sullivan’s son, was banned from Stock broker-ing because of allegations of insider trading. A good article on management malfeasance and incompetence comes courtesy of the Akron Blade news.google.com/newspaper...
Toni Reynolds
Nov. 17th, 2012 at 8:08 pm
From what I have read..the cast of players were democrats. www.zerohedge.com/news/20...
Shiva (Moderator)
Nov. 17th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
“This time, though, the moneymen were no longer on the same page. As the majority equity holder, Ripplewood(the democrat) badly wanted to keep Hostess out of bankruptcy. It pleaded with the lenders to show flexibility, but they were not so inclined. The lenders held superior fiscal hands and had less downside if Hostess failed. In the event of a bankruptcy, given all the assets Hostess owned, the lenders would still walk away with millions.”
From your article
Betty Bentley
Nov. 18th, 2012 at 5:24 pm
Many times, the millions they walk away with is their own money or the money of their investors. They don’t just go in and not invest their own money, and they know when to get out if the company isn’t going to be able to make it.
Shiva (Moderator)
Nov. 18th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
LOL thats weak. The money they take out is far more than what they put in. They dont go in for neutral exchanges
Kippy
Nov. 18th, 2012 at 12:05 am
Who cares what political party these leeches are from? Democrats can be vultures too.
Daddycool
Nov. 18th, 2012 at 12:57 am
The link that you provided names only one person.
(A democrat.) If you’d like to keep beliveing that only one person is responsible, be my guest.
For some unknown reason .. they don’t name anybody else, but they do describe their target (the democrat) as “someone who operates in a sea of republicans.” But you somehow take this to mean “the cast of players were democrats.”
They call that magical thinking.
And most people lose that ability after about 4th grade.
Shiva (Moderator)
Nov. 17th, 2012 at 8:25 pm
The word is Harvesting. These companys were harvested for capitol. The same as Bain.
Daddycool
Nov. 18th, 2012 at 12:58 am
capitAl
But yeah … you’re right.
Rob
Nov. 17th, 2012 at 9:02 pm
Instead of referencing Daily Kos, why not reference some actual business journals with this information? Or the bankruptcy filing itself? Circular quoting of the same source is way too much like the garbage I get from conservatives, where Beck quotes Barton quotes Ingraham quotes Limbaugh quotes Beck. If those poay raises are real, if the bankrpurtcy and closing as part of the reorginization are real, they are in the business journals.
luciboo
Nov. 17th, 2012 at 9:24 pm
The perfect scam. Management rapes & plunders the company and the workers and unions take the blame.
WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!!!!
crystalwolfakacaligrl
Nov. 17th, 2012 at 11:17 pm
Yes! but the msm will not report this!
They report the BS and not this is a vulture capitalist take down!
Oh Rmuse I♥you!
Zapper99933
Nov. 17th, 2012 at 11:31 pm
The union leaders said they would bring them to there knees. Well they did and it backfired.Now get a job you over payed dick heads.By the way the union leaders still have a job dont they.Sure they care about the workers. Thats funny
Shiva (Moderator)
Nov. 17th, 2012 at 11:32 pm
Funny how you can read something but still live with your preconceived notions
brian
Nov. 18th, 2012 at 1:31 am
“A scapegoat is a person or group made to bear the blame for another’s actions, and usually they are easy targets to assign blame for something they had nothing to do with”
Am I the only one who sees the irony of this article?
Barbara
Nov. 18th, 2012 at 2:03 am
I am a liberal but I am NOT stupid.
Yes the vulture capitalists did their dirty-work, no question about that, and I agree that it is not fair to blame “unions” – the Teamsters were on board with a deal that would, in addition to sacrifices, would among other things give 25% ownership to the employees and representation on the board. It was one small union that said no to the last clear chance of success. The Bakery, Confectionery, Tobacco Workers and Grain Millers International Union and their short-sighted stupidity killed Hostess’s last, best chance for survival. Joshua Kennon has a GREAT article on this!!!!
Macninni
Nov. 18th, 2012 at 9:47 am
Unfortunately, what the pawns (workers) never get, is the deals worked out between union and management are made in the same bed. Notice, the CEOs and the Union bosses never lose their pay.
john
Nov. 18th, 2012 at 3:00 am
It should be illegal to get pay raise when company is in the dump. There should also be law to protect pensions no matter what.
Linda G
Nov. 18th, 2012 at 7:57 am
I haven’t eaten a Twinkie in years but there is something disheartening about never being able to experience that wonderful fluffy and creamy taste of a Twinkie ever again.
Alex
Nov. 18th, 2012 at 9:57 am
Getting back to regulations, we need regulations to prevent, corporations, owners, and venture capitalists from raiding employee’s, pensions. Additionally, these folks cannot have run away salaries and/or benefit packages, regulations to prevent them from leveraging the company while the company is in danger of default and/or bankruptcy. If all this fails, I believe the employee’s should have the first option to purchase the mismanaged company with help from the federal government. This option would limit all profit and benefits the management and investors claim.
Amanda
Nov. 18th, 2012 at 10:47 am
Until Republicans realize we have caught onto their bogus ideas, and want them to change they will not win another Presidential seat in the White House. See Republicans think that anyone who thinks like them is a total liberal idiot, again this is where they fail to see that Americans want change is certain areas, and they don’t want any change cause it will affect their lifestyle. I could go on all day about both sides, but Republicans have go to get their shiz together. (I am an Non-affiliated voter, who votes for the best ideas and there are thousands of voters like me. Time to start winning us over if you want to win Republicans.)
Amanda
Nov. 18th, 2012 at 10:48 am
*****doesnt think like them****
ROBERT TRUJILLO
Nov. 18th, 2012 at 10:55 am
When someone starts there own business it is to make money for themselves and their own family. Why do all these employees feel entitled to anything when at the end of the day ALL companies will only take care of their families and a few people at the top when things get bad, since that is what the function is to begin with. If it cost to much for the company to provide for Family #1 then whats the point & why do ALL the people who work for that company act surprised. At the end of the day the company will decide what they are willing to Pay their employees & these unions can except or not but the right to shutdown a business belongs to the owners. The owners also have the right to RE-START the company under a differrent name and hire non-union employees so that they can provide for their family. What is wrong with doing what works best for the owners family.
Shiva (Moderator)
Nov. 18th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
The owners of the majority shares are a Bain type investment group that decided to let the company go under. Are you incapable of reading? There is no “owner” who has the power of decisions. This is not a little mopm and pop make money for the family business. This is a publicly traded corporation.
But then again a non reader like yourself might be all for the top management taking as 300% raise and the workers taking a 25% reduction in pay right?
Colin
Nov. 20th, 2012 at 4:04 am
It’s not wrong to close down your own business. It’s not even wrong (dickish, maybe) to do so and ultimately profit from it at the expense of 18,000 of your own employees. But it is wrong to do so, then lay the blame squarely on those impacted most by it while publicly portraying your company as a victim of “greedy” organized labor in order to cast deceitful political aspersions designed solely to garner support for policy that unduly favors big business owners and the wealthy at the expense of unions and the middle class. It’s also wrong that government policy allows the running of companies into the ground to remain a profitable business strategy. Want to save American jobs? Let’s start there.
Sher
Nov. 18th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
How come no one cares that Hostess employees took two previous pay cuts? :(
Ron
Nov. 18th, 2012 at 1:02 pm
Read Toni Reynolds post on November 17th 8:08 PM You guys are so entrenched in the Us vs. Them mentality this country is screwed. Bain Capitol killed my wife blah blah blah. What was the good that Bain Capitol did? Whose plate was filled because they worked for a company that Bain Capitol bailed out? I am so tired of this We won You lost. This is OUR country that we are talking about. Whew I feel better now…
Shiva (Moderator)
Nov. 18th, 2012 at 2:53 pm
Always remember this. If any of the companies that Bain bailed out showed any weakness, Bain would’ve harvested them like a field of oats. Bain neither cared if the people were working or not. While they bailed out these corporations, they also took millions of dollars out of them in doing so
Tiffany Lathrop
Nov. 18th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
Of course Twinkie brand name is patented, along with the other brand names, and they will be sold to other companies who will manufacture them–and guess what, Mexico has already expressed an interest in doing the Twinkie manufacturing. Yes, 18,500 American jobs are leaving the country. The economic recovery is moving right along.
Shiva (Moderator)
Nov. 18th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
So basically 30 some odd months of positive job growth is meaningless?
Kevin
Nov. 18th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
A little math correction is needed. Going from $750K to $225 K is a 200% increase, NOT 300. 100% takes you to $1,500K, another 100% reaches to $2,250K, but regardless, still an obscenity when people’s jobs are disappearing.
Shiva (Moderator)
Nov. 18th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
$750,000 to $2,250,000,
Now that we know you can do math, we need to work on your reading skills
Thats 2 million. Going from 750 K to 225 K is a pay cut.
christina
Nov. 18th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
American Business Today:
Don’t grow it just buy it drain it sell it or better yet close it, so it puts even more people in the poor house. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. The American Dream is not going to happen as long as these rich Wall Street People are in control of what happens to the industries that remain in this country. We as Americans need to put an end to these practices. I for one am sick and tired of hearing certain business owners say that Americans are lazy. We are not. There have been so many industries in this country that have closed their doors in the past ten
+/- years that have gone to other countries leaving Americans jobless and in a lot of cases homeless. Instead of worrying about the poor in other countries we need to think about our own needy families here. Remember Charity begins at home. Our Government seems to have forgot the people and are taking care of themselves and their foreign business partners. Common Sense tells you if you can’t pay your own debts DO Not try to pay someone elses. If you can’t afford to feed your own don’t feed someone else. I don’t have a problem with helping other people but I have to take care of my own first. If my kids are hungry I should not feed some one else first. Business owners need to remember this. Your employees and their families should be your first priority. They are the ones working to make your profit. Morale seems to have gone to crap in this country in the past few years and I think this is horrible considering we live in the greatest country in the world. Regardless of how bad things are the majority of people (the poor and working class) are still very proud to be Americans. I hope and pray our business leaders in this country will stop trying to increase their own wealth and once again start trying to grow their business. I you plant it care for it then when its ripe you will reap the rewards. You may not have a great crop at first but it will…
Jerry
Nov. 18th, 2012 at 5:53 pm
Of course It has to be Bush, Romney or someone else’s fault! Never a union and never Obama! He never does anything wrong. My god over 18,000 more jobs gone! The Company said up front they could not afford a continued strike! did that matter to the Union? Hey they still have their jobs. God you Obama supportes never get it.
Shiva (Moderator)
Nov. 18th, 2012 at 6:05 pm
And you didnt read the article. 9 plants werre scheduled to go down regardless. The management got 300% raises and told the employees to take cuts. Some of the cuts they had already taken. Of course its not the faul;t of the investment corporation that sucked money out of the business. No it couldnt be could it.
The union officials in the company do not have their jobs.
Andrew
Nov. 19th, 2012 at 8:27 am
It’s all that education and reading we do. If we could only be satisfied by just accepting the word of anyone who was born rich like yourself. It’s easier to be a sniveling toady, when you have no conception of what is going on in the world around you.
rhv70
Nov. 18th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
Some companies are worth more stripped and sold off. Other are worth more because they are profitable. Hostess is the former, Staples (Bain-funded BTW) is the latter. One truth that is important to know. If you are unskilled and dependent on union, you are vulnerable. You’re better off acquiring some in-demand skills or starting your own business so you can call the shots.
Dan
Nov. 18th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
After reading all the remarks here as well as the article it is apparent to me that there is one thing missing, we all agree that unions raised the standard of living as well as the working conditions here in the US as well as Europe. We also agree that the predatory practices of the “take over” companies have all but destroyed the commercial industry here in the US. The one thing we haven’t asked ourselves is how did this happen and why did it happen. how could on of these companies get that kind of leverage and why would the original creators of that enterprise allow that kind of exploitation. Everything we are experiencing are the results of cause and effect and it is my contention that the circle of cronyism both in business on mostly the republicrat side and in labor on the demlican side have created this monster that has been in the making since the signing of the constitution. So ask yourselves, how did the megabusinesses get the power, why were there so few businesses in the 18th and 19th centuries so that it was an employers market (like it is today). and lastly, will more regulation increase the job availability or will it decrease it.
Tim Miles
Nov. 18th, 2012 at 8:24 pm
Everyone is blaming everyone for this “tragedy”. I’m sorry but this is nothing but a mid 20th century company that never evolved with the changing attitude and priorities of its 21st century clientele. If the product wasn’t absolute crap there wouldn’t be a problem with sales. This is the nature of business. The Hostess name has run its course. Lets all let it die in peace!
John Shallenberger
Nov. 18th, 2012 at 8:25 pm
The workers need to get a class action lawsuit against those greedy executives and start sueing the hell out of them, leave them with nothing and see how they like it!! Its a shame to work your ass off in a hot bakery all your life and when you start thinking about retiring in afew years the company forces you to take a wage cut. So you plan on working a few years longer , next thing you know the exec”s has done sucked the company dry again and want to wack your wages once again. Then the very worst if you wont come in and work for nothing we will close the doors and take your retirement!!! WOW, These Bastards need to go to prison!!
Bob
Nov. 18th, 2012 at 8:41 pm
I pray the Republicans in congress don’t cow-tow to obama. I want to live in a Free USA not the socialist states of america. As far as this article, it is written by liberals to promote their ideals, not to tell the TRUTH! I never worked in a union shop and I always had great benefits and got good raises every year. My employers were anxious to make the employees happy so we did not need unions to raise our salaries so we could pay dues that would be given to political campaigns so the upper echelon could get the benefits they wanted at the cost of the worker. This article articulates that very well.
Shiva (Moderator)
Nov. 18th, 2012 at 8:41 pm
What has Obama done thats socialist?
BTW, with no unions there is no compitition to keep workers. You steady raises as well as vacations will be gone. The very reason you have those bennies are becuase of unions
If this isnt the truth what is the truth?
pamela vitale
Nov. 20th, 2012 at 10:26 am
I worked for a union shop for 30 years and like you said all it did was keep the lazy,arrogant high seniority “people” working while the newer or temporary employees got laid off every time so that other hard working,high seniority people had to do double work to pick up the slack of the lazy ones. This tier one automotive supplier ended up shutting there doors after 60 yrs owned by the same family because they got tired of paying higher union wages,benefits ect..and there big 3 customers were demanding higher quality from the lazy employees. We all lost everything.Hmmm, who’s fault was this?
Shiva (Moderator)
Nov. 20th, 2012 at 11:21 am
Bullshit
Jeff McCuddin
Nov. 18th, 2012 at 11:57 pm
The corporations are doing a great job in the divide and conquer game pitting the middle class against each other. We should be saying where the hell is my pension. We need to stop cutting down those that still have one and stop saying those greedy middle class workers are destroying our nation. Everytime this happens it just reduces the collective power of the middle class.
This is Gov. Walker’s number one method to win election. Divide and Conqure.
Poor Dad
Nov. 19th, 2012 at 7:09 am
Medicaid is a socialist program and it has expanded immensely under Obama. He is forcing healthcare on us. Both Socialist. Shiva. This info is for you. Unions are a detrament to this country.
Yes the last is my opinion the first two are facts.
Andrew
Nov. 19th, 2012 at 9:10 am
That commie swine is determined to see that babies get to see doctors! Why should people you personally don’t know get medical treatment when they are sick? It’s destroying the country somehow, right? Are you that stupid really? Or maybe you’re just an awful person?
S.P.
Nov. 19th, 2012 at 10:32 pm
My mother is on Medicaid because she is sick and in a nursing home. What an obsurd comment. God forbid you go through the same thing.
Chris Zimmer
Nov. 19th, 2012 at 10:01 am
Because they had taken a cut in pay and asked to stay on for the duration. Most exec depart when when bankruptcy is filed. THe pay cuts for the bakers were in line with what competitors bakers were being paid. But, nice job on shifting the blame to the the devoted exec that stayed on in an attempt to save the company.
Shiva (Moderator)
Nov. 19th, 2012 at 10:07 am
was that the devoted exec that took a 300% raise while asking the workers to take deep cuts? I would be interested in seeing your data saying that the pay was in line with what the competitors pay
RJFlorida
Nov. 19th, 2012 at 10:06 am
Blah, Blah, Blah what are democrats actually going to DO to create jobs? And now that Obama has won when is he actually going to do it?
Shiva (Moderator)
Nov. 19th, 2012 at 11:31 am
The same thing he has done for the last 32 months of positive job growth
pamela vitale
Nov. 20th, 2012 at 10:31 am
What is so positive about 7.50 an hour to support your family,and still need food stamps to feed them??
Shiva (Moderator)
Nov. 20th, 2012 at 11:25 am
I’m sorry, but your cliché is not true. There are quite a few manufacturing plants around me who are hiring and they certainly pay more than 750 an hour. if you have data to present them do so otherwise, you’re making yourself look foolish with other people’s clichés
Chris Zimmer
Nov. 19th, 2012 at 11:36 am
Hey Shiva, It’s hs company, he can do what he wants with it.
Shiva (Moderator)
Nov. 19th, 2012 at 11:42 am
No, its NOT his company. The investment corporation has majority shares.
rodgera
Nov. 19th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
Lest we all forget one aspect of this argument about Unions. What about the Company Union. The U.S. Chamber of Commerce. Doesn’t matter what label you call your self. Once you form an association to represent the core group issues, you’ve fired a Union!
So, workers unions are evil? And the company union?
Dave Shroomer
Nov. 19th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
It is not repub or dem .It is us against them . They KILL our leaders Hoffa ,MLK … .Vote third party .Stop feeding the pigs , grow your own or buy locally, drive less or not at all ,NO insurance no gasoline ,no maintenance .End the WAR Machine Profits ,don’t KILL/be killed for their profits.Be in Love .
Geoff Miller
Nov. 19th, 2012 at 3:38 pm
RMUSE…
re: CEO raises… You need to source this. Not opposing your opinion. Sourcing will make your case much stronger and your data harder to dispute.
Best,
Geoff M
SJones
Nov. 19th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
I have one problem with those claiming that Obama has created 32 months of continuous job growth. First, you can’t keep citing seasonal job growth or part-time McDonald’s workers which are being included in the calculations now. As Obama stated in 2009 a job is a job minimum wage is better than no wage. Second, just because people aren’t getting unemployment benefits, doesn’t mean they have a job. It means they government quit paying them. That’s not a mark in the job growth column, that is a jobless person with no income. So what BOTH DEMS and REPS should STOP doing is skewing the numbers just to make themselves look better. Find a way for the jobless to report into the unemployment ranks whether getting benefits or not. Don’t ASSUME a person off the record is on the job. Don’t include them in the job growth column until they start paying income tax from a job. And everybody WTFU both sides are playing to the middle getting rich while all the sheep sit here and argue over which type of politician is better. THEY’RE ALL F**KING CROOKS, CHEATS, SWINDLERS, AND THIEVES!
Shiva (Moderator)
Nov. 19th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
32 months of job creation means the current policys are right for creating jobs. 32 months wipes out seasonal and mcdonalds. You are living on cliches
pamela vitale
Nov. 20th, 2012 at 10:32 am
Well said!
Joe Polesel
Nov. 20th, 2012 at 6:17 am
Can we stop calling these guys and those at Bain Capital “vulture capitalists”? Vultures have the decency to wait for their prey to die. I suggest we call them what they really are: “Vampire Capitalists”. These guys suck the life’s blood from their victims whenever it suits them …
Randy
Nov. 20th, 2012 at 7:36 am
If the CEO put himself on minimum wage down from the 2,250,000 he was paying himself, or even worked for free, and took that money and put it towards the 18,000 + employees payroll it would have amounted to around 8 cents an hour, or $125 a year for each employee. Not the reason the company failed, nor is it Mitt Romneys fault. try again. Are you guys really done with blaming George Bush? The writer of the above article clearly has no idea whats involved running a company. Managing 18,000+ employees, a bunch of factories, countless trucks and accounts does not require a background in baking!!
Shiva (Moderator)
Nov. 20th, 2012 at 7:55 am
I find your response to this article hilarious. The CEO gave himself a 300% raise. That took him up to $2,250,000. At the same time he is telling 18,000 people to take a big pay cuts. Some of them had already taken concessions.
As far as met Romney, please note that the article says it’s a Romney vulture capitalist style. Not that it was met Romney’s fault. And then of course you have to wander off into the George Bush territory.
But the whole time you have no idea that the company was owned by investment corporations. It was not owned by the owner. At a time when the investment corporations were going to withdraw their money, in true Bain style they started sucking millions of dollars out of the Corp. I wish people would learn to read.
Frank711
Nov. 20th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
Here is an Idea! The Union wants to tell the CEO and the Board of Directors how to run Hostess. Why doesnt the Union just buy Hostess. This way no one except the excecutives will lose their jobs! The Union can run the whole company and give everyone back their raises and their pensions. If the Union needs more money, they can just raise it by raising the Union dues. This way everyone is happy!
Shiva (Moderator)
Nov. 20th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
No, the union isnt rying to tell Hostess How to run the corporation. And the CEO doesnt matter because the Corp is owned by an investment company