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Sickening Sandy Hook Conspiracy Theory Needs to Be Debunked
By: Deborah FosterJan. 20th, 2013more from Deborah Foster
I couldn’t believe it when this week one of my students at the university where I work approached me in some level of distress. She wanted to know if I had seen the “compelling” video on the internet questioning the validity of the “mainstream media’s story” about the Sandy Hook tragedy. She insisted that she didn’t know what to believe after her adult daughter made her watch the video and she was looking to me for some guidance. I was alarmed by this encounter for several reasons:
Simple reassurance and appeals to common sense worked well enough to allay my students’ fears that Sandy Hook was a pre-planned attack designed to confiscate guns. However, I could tell she harbored remnants of doubt. Her biggest source of doubt stemmed from the “evidence” that there were allegedly Facebook posts and webpages with timestamps that occurred prior to the incident. I realized older people who don’t have sophisticated technological knowledge could easily be duped by these circulating emails and videos. Knowing my own liberal mother’s vulnerability to viral nonsense sent by conservative relatives, I am just waiting for her alarmed phone call querying whether I’ve seen the “convincing” evidence of a Sandy Hook conspiracy (one Sandy Hook conspiracy YouTube video already had 10.6 million views as of Friday morning).
Apparently, even people who don’t live in survivalist bunkers really are being influenced by this sickening nonsense. Another person showing he was easily duped was Washington Nationals outfielder Denald Span who tweeted, “I was watching some controversial stuff on YouTube about the sandy hooks thing today! It really makes u think and wonder.” The comments on the Deadspin.com article discussing his tweet are disheartening indeed, as they are also teeming with conspiracy questioners.
Ben Smith and CJ Lotz at Buzzfeed.com wrote in their article, “Sandy Hook Conspiracy Theories Edge Toward the Mainstream,” “The theory is ludicrous, but there is hard evidence that it has begun to go viral.” Seeing this phenomenon, some have taken the step to write up articles debunking the conspiracy, including Snopes.com. In many of these debunking articles, people making comments on the article snipe that no one should be debunking the theory, because a) people who believe the theory won’t listen to facts anyway, and b) it gives credence to the theory to dignify it with a response. Dave Weigel makes essentially the same argument in his article at Slate.com. But, Weigel and these commenters couldn’t be more wrong. After locating these debunking resources, I emailed them to my student, and I am confident that the explanations of how technology can end up with seemingly incongruous time stamps put the final nail in the coffin of her doubts about the notion the tragedy is a hoax. To let ideas fester without a response is an excellent way for those ideas to go unchallenged to the point of establishing their validity. Just ask John Kerry about the Swift Boat ads. Not everyone who believed them was a flaming reactionary Republican. As Smith and Lotz point out,
“The media is often reluctant to engage such theories directly. The political press spent much of 2007 and 2008 ignoring grassroots conservative beliefs that President Barack Obama was a secret Muslim, and that his wife had thrown around the epithet ‘whitey.’ But both of those eventually became so widespread, embraced by local elected officials and other public figures that they were impossible to ignore.”
Getting out in front of this absurd hoax may help prevent some of its spread. Alex Seitz-Wald agrees with me as I discovered he also makes the case for debunking the Sandy Hook conspiracy theory at Alternet/Salon.com.
This week also brought the results of another poll by Fairleigh Dickinson University on the birther conspiracy revealing that fully 64% of Republicans now buy into the idea that Obama is hiding the truth about where he was born. Remarkably, this poll also found that 14% of Democrats and 17% of African Americans also believe the birther conspiracy. There is more support for the birther conspiracy (36% nationally), which is easily refutable with a glance at the Hawaiian newspaper birth announcements from the day the President was born, than the 9/11 truther conspiracy that Bush knew the attacks were coming (25% nationally), which arguably has more suggestive evidence (there was, in fact, at least a memo declaring an attack was imminent). Analyst for the poll, Dan Cassino, is quoted as saying, “People tend to believe that where there’s smoke, there’s fire – so the more smoke they see, the more likely they are to believe that something is going on.” Cassino also stated that as memories of events fade, conspiracy theories only intensify.
Americans are particularly vulnerable to conspiracy theories, having had them as a substantial part of American culture since the beginning of the country. If Cassino is right, the latest conspiracy theory about Sandy Hook is likely to gain traction as time goes by. The sad truth is that if there is any conspiracy going on in this country, it is the conspiracy President Clinton has pointed out, of the right wing trying to sabotage the presidency of Barack Obama.
It is difficult to imagine a more reprehensible slap in the face to the victims of this tragedy. In the case of 9/11, the only victim of the conspiracy theory is the Bush administration. When the right wing circulated far-fetched conspiracy rumors about Clinton murdering Vince Foster, only the former President was a target. In the case of Sandy Hook, the victims of the conspiracy theory include the victims of the tragedy themselves who have been accused of being in on the conspiracy as well. In their time of mourning, they are under attack from crazed fanatics who suggest that they are actually hiding their children to help Obama confiscate guns. For this, there is scarcely anything more shameful about those who propagate such theories to begin with.
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RX7
Jan. 20th, 2013 at 10:08 am
This is some sick shit… And many actually believe it. I wonder when they will try to prove Breivik’s innocence.
justiceisserved
Jan. 21st, 2013 at 3:46 pm
It’s not sick to question the official story being told, especially when it does not make sense. The first lie, is that Nancy Lanza even had any firearms when there is no proof that she legally owned them. The 2nd lie, is that a 110 lb kid who was described as being introverted and shy and who barely spoke in public, was capable of these crimes. What is sick, is to not have an analytical mind and to blindly believe everything mainstream media is spoon-feeding you. The next time it happens (and there will be a next time) maybe you will listen.
Reynardine
Jan. 20th, 2013 at 10:11 am
A psychologist who sheltered some of the students who had just escaped the massacre has had his address and pictures of his house posted on the Internet, and has been deluged with death threats. www.fstdt.com/QuoteCommen...
Ronald
Jan. 23rd, 2013 at 1:52 pm
It’s RIDICULOUS to harrass this guy, I have questions regarding that Rosen’s story. He claims he went outside and saw 6 kids huddled up on his front lawmn and that a “bus driver told him there had been an incident”. He then brought the 6 kids into his house, and after a half hour of playing with stuffed animals the kids told him what happened. Does anyone else find this story EXTREMELY unlikely?
#1- Why would the bus driver leave the kids with a stranger when the firehouse was right by Rosen’s house?
#2- Why wouldn’t he ask this bus driver what happened?
#3- Why didn’t he call the police immediately? Even if he didn’t know there was a shooting yet, he had kids in his home that didn’t belong there.
#4- Why haven’t we seen the media follow up with this story and unite Rosen with the families of the children he allegedly helped? The media is generally a sucker for such stories.
#5- He said a parent came by his house later in the day after the shooting to ask if he had her kid, Rosen claims he looked at the “casualty list” and the kids name was on it. The problem with this is the casualty list wasn’t released until Sunday, nearly 48 hours after Rosen claims he had it.
#6 Why hasn’t this mysterious bus driver been interviewed/located? Why did this bus driver dump the kids off on a stranger’s lawn, tell Rosen there was an “incident” and then leave the kids with him without saying another word?
These are not “crazy” theories or questions. These are questions any investigator would ask. Rosen’s story does not add up.
Ronald
Jan. 23rd, 2013 at 3:12 pm
This comment is from a moderator regarding asking for evidence-
“Why should they feed your need for blood? They didnt show pics of Columbine and they dont show the dead from others mass murders. Move the feck along.”
Is that really how you treat rational people asking legitimate questions?
The common perception of anyone asking serious questions is that they are a “whack job” or “conspiracy nut”. It is assumed those people read some erroneous information off some half baked website and took the author’s word for it. The reality is that, in the case of Sandy Hook, the people who are backing the official have no prrof, they are in fact, just taking someone else’s word for it. Before you think of some name to call me for pointing this fact out, ask yourself what verifiable information do you have to back your thinking? You have zero facts, just taking people’s word for it.
Here’s a wild idea, let’s nip this “conspiracy theory” in the bud with veriable evidence presented to the public. No I don’t mean pictures of children. Nor do I have a “need for blood” as Shiva (the moderator) so vulgarly put it. I do think they should release the video footage of the assailant entering the building (not shooting people). The American people have a right to know the truth. Release that footage and I will immediately back the official story. I will not back the official story on faith alone, as apparently the moderator has decided to do.
No matter what you are choosing to believe, here’s what the public has seen thus far- no blood, no bodies, no photographic evidence, no video surveillance footage. Until some further evidence is presented publicly, the questions will only increase. In a Democratic-Republic where the very 1st Amendment is to protect freedom of speech, asking important questions is a good thing.
Shiva(Moderator)
Jan. 23rd, 2013 at 3:31 pm
As I did not follow this mass murderer in depth, I cannot determine whether or not your questions are valid.
But still, there is no need for a conspiracy theory to be nipped in the bud.
As far as I’m concerned let the questions continue.
I have the fact that there’s 20 little tiny kids dead. Do I even consider for a second that the government did this? Absolutely not. You are basing questions on hearsay. And you go on to ask for data to prove your little conspiracy theory. I will say once again, you don’t seem to be digging into this very deeply for yourself. Your question about the bus driver is probably valid, your questions of a 70-year-old man’s statements may or may not be.
It’s well-known the assailant entered the door. You need to get over it. You may or may not be rational. Simply because you present nothing to the contrary
Ronald
Jan. 23rd, 2013 at 4:04 pm
Shiva, thank you for your response. I do appreciate everyone’s opinion whether or not they agree with me.
I will say, again, that you are basing your opinion on taking somebody else’s word for it. Which is fine, but it does make it fact. I have chosen to hold out for evidence because, in this case, there are too many discrepencies in the official story. However, I’m not unreasonable, if veriable information on the case is presented that helps prove the official story is accurate, I am more than willing to take it into account and change my mind. But after the whole “Iraq has WMDs” thing you’ll have to excuse me if I’m not willing to take the government and media’s word for it.
Shiva(Moderator)
Jan. 23rd, 2013 at 4:38 pm
There was a reason for the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. Dick Cheney wanted war against Muslims and against Iraq.
President Obama had signed several bills allowing the gun nuts to carry their weapons and state parks and in other places in fact he was better to the gun freaks then the NRA is.
So he had no purpose to orchestrate anything like Sandy hook. The government had no purpose to do. There was no push to take away anyone’s guns or to ban guns prior to Sandy hook. I just don’t think you can make the comparison between Sandy hook and Iraq. Just like trying to say that President Bush orchestrated 9/11, something like that would just be vastly too hard to keep secret. And it’s the same with Sandy hook.
As far as not trusting the government, I don’t trust the government either. But when it comes to the shooting I’m not going to go off the deep end and doubt it. I have no reason to. No one has given me any reason to
Ronald
Jan. 23rd, 2013 at 5:02 pm
When the government claimed Iraq has WMDs, where was the media?
They did not investigate, they just kept pushing the official line and thus convincing the American public that it was true and they were in danger if America didn’t invade Iraq immediately. In reality nothing could’ve been further from the truth.
Thousands of troops died for what was a bold faced lie. The Downing street memo proves that the governement knew the information they were giving the United Nations and American public was false.
The government openly lied to start a war and the media happily went along with without investigating. These are EXTREMELY legitimate reasons to question what the government and media tell us.
Shiva(Moderator)
Jan. 23rd, 2013 at 5:08 pm
You’ll get no argument from me that the government lied about Iraq. And that was accomplished with a Secretary of Defense and a vice president who for the longest time now since they were in the Nixon administration have wanted to be at war in the Middle East. There was significant push for them to do this not only from themselves but from the people under them.
I do not see that push in Congress or from anyone else for Obama to ban guns prior to Sandy hook. Even the president knows that getting a gun ban through Congress is like getting a rich man into a prison. Practically impossible. Do you think he would orchestrate slaughtering 20 kids to get something going that would go nowhere’s? I don’t think our president is that stupid.
I do think President Bush was that stupid
Ronald
Jan. 23rd, 2013 at 8:22 pm
Under Obama’s watch Operation Fast & Furious purposely put AR-15′s and other deadly weapons into the hands of some of the worst criminals imaginable. Those firearms trafficked by smugglers under the watch of the ATF have been found at numerous crime scenes in Mexico, including scenes where at least 150 Mexican civilians were maimed and killed.
Therefore, I don’t put anybody on a pedastal, no matter what party they represent.
Jonathan
Jan. 25th, 2013 at 6:16 am
There was initially a great deal of evidence for the presence of wmds in Iraq. What could the media have done? Fly to Iraq and snoop themselves? That’s unreasonable.
It’s also ridiculous to compare a lie about WMDs to a hoax like the one Sandy Hook truthers would have you believe occurred in New Town. Telling a lie – if it was a lie and not a mistake – is infinitely simpler than pulling off something as cartoonishly complex as the Sandy Hook conspiracies. I can’t believe that the government would rely so heavily on keeping so many people quiet, let alone that it actually has.
By the way, what are too many inconsistencies? Because I don’tsee any..
djchefron(Moderator)
Jan. 25th, 2013 at 7:37 am
I would like to correct one thing in your post.There was not a great deal of evidence on WMD’s in Iraq.After the first Gulf war all stocks were destroyed according to UN inspectors www.salon.com/2007/09/06/...
The CIA and Iraq’s WMD
www.cato.org/publications...
And before you say they had the ability,any 2nd chem major has the ability to make chemical weapons from whats under mommy’s kitchen sink
J
Jan. 20th, 2013 at 10:17 am
What makes me really sick is that my oldest brother posted about the conspiracy theory and other siblings agreed with him and one of cousins too. I already have extremely differing views from my family including things as big as religion and politics. But really, this? Ugh.
Just A Dumb Fireman
Jan. 20th, 2013 at 10:55 am
I’m from Connecticut. My department sent an honor guard to the funerals. Maybe your relatives would like to have been there to see all the weeping parents. Tell them they ought to be thoroughly ashamed of themselves.
La Mayimba
Jan. 29th, 2013 at 11:39 pm
Finally someone from Sandy Hook responds to this ridiculous rot. In the Northeast, many of us KNOW parents of the victims and find these allegations disgusting and disrespectful. It is beyond the pale that one could surmise the parents hid their children and pretend they were murders; the citizens of the town were all advised of the staged event – and everyone conspired so that Obama could come for your guns. Give me a break – this is a crackpot theory and nothing more.
Sammy
Jan. 21st, 2013 at 1:07 am
See if your relatives will spend a few minutes watching this:
The David Pakman Show – Sandy Hook ‘Hoax’ Debunked #VIDEO# p.ost.im/p/d5FhmM via @AddInfoOrg
amachiavellian
Jan. 20th, 2013 at 10:18 am
You know, if ANYTHING added up about this shooting then there wouldn’t be all these ‘conspiracy theories’ running amok. And since when did asking questions about blatant inconsistencies make someone a conspiracy theorist anyways?
Shiva (Moderator)
Jan. 20th, 2013 at 10:31 am
People make stuff up. People like you swallow it eagerly. The difference between a conspiracy and a conspiracy theorist is that the conspiracy is usually too ridiculous to believe in the first place. Ask yourself how many other conspiracy you believe in. Are they silly, unbelievable to a sane human? The only things that dont add up are the things made up for people to swallow. Think about it
Bring It!
Jan. 20th, 2013 at 6:36 pm
People do make stuff up, including governments. Fact is stranger than fiction. It’s difficult to believe that US law authorizes torture. It is even harder to accept as fact that more than a million Iraqi’s were killed over WMD that did not exist. Operation Fast and Furious dumped thousands of guns in Mexico and NO ONE was prosecuted is hard for me to swallow but it is undeniable true.
Shiva
Jan. 20th, 2013 at 7:08 pm
The NRA / GOP supported gun houses along the Mexican border sells unlimited numbers of guns to Americans who sell them across the border. Those numbers make F&F look positively like nothing. No one gets punished
But what you mentioned has little to do with conspiracys
Joe Smith
Jan. 22nd, 2013 at 12:15 am
What are you talking about? Everyone knows that Eric Holder told these gun shops to sell everything possible to the Mexicans so that they would be used in crimes so that gun confiscation should occur. It’s well known that one of these guns was used to murder a border agent. It had nothing to do with the NRA, they don’t make the laws. Geez.
Shiva(Moderator)
Jan. 22nd, 2013 at 12:32 am
LOL! Thats good stuff!
Sorry, but the NRA influences the representatives they own. Everytime some one tried to regulate those gun shops ther NRA goes straight to the GOP.
But your Holder conspiracy is hilarious!
and BTW Joe, Holder didnt know about F&F until after the Border agents were killed. And, this will hurt, some of the F&F guns were in the area that the agents died. Work on it Joe
djchefron(Moderator)
Jan. 22nd, 2013 at 8:12 am
I didnt know Holder did that,Cab you provide some evidence to back this up.We all would love to see it.
Reynardine
Jan. 20th, 2013 at 10:46 am
*Infame*! I bet you’re pro-fetus, too.
Random
Jan. 20th, 2013 at 4:00 pm
Your argument would hold more water if there weren’t conspiracy theories about EVERY SINGLE EVENT nowadays.
Bring It!
Jan. 20th, 2013 at 5:59 pm
When those questions challenge the official story, one can expect an attack. Attackers follow the same pattern of logical fallacies; ad hominem (attack the person), appeals to sympathy, shame, and guilt, either or argument, etc… They avoid the issue by defying logic.
Trolls, shills, 5th Column, and CointelPro agents attack in mass using programs like Operation Persona; a US government psychological operation to manipulate social media, by spreading propaganda and lies. Brainwash the masses.
One only needs to read replies to your question to notice attack of the “sock puppets” by US Gov.
I’m sure you’re aware of this tactic; just thought I would share with others.
djchefron
Jan. 20th, 2013 at 8:27 pm
Hey dude I’m totally with you.Just today this came in my email
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Be vigilant.Be very vigilant.They watching us
NoE
Jan. 20th, 2013 at 7:07 pm
Well, amachiavellian, I heard that the NRA was behind it the attack at Sandy Hook in order to discredit the president AND bump up gun sales.
I didn’t really, but see how silly that sounds. REally, you have to think for yourself and not listen to everything theory that comes around.
Sammy
Jan. 21st, 2013 at 1:07 am
The David Pakman Show – Sandy Hook ‘Hoax’ Debunked #VIDEO# p.ost.im/p/d5FhmM via @AddInfoOrg
Shiva (Moderator)
Jan. 20th, 2013 at 10:40 am
It doesnt surprise me in the least these people are using the parents and the children to keep their coveted guns. This indicates that the term gun nut is really a polite phrase compared to the people who start these conspiracies. Its always guns over life. I have the right to keep my guns and I will go to any lengths to keep that right. Even if it means trampling over people who’s children were filled full of .223 shells. Guns over life at all costs. After all, the only real end use of a gun is to take a life
People who use other peoples devastated lives for their own supposed gain are in the confines of the mental health problem the NRA talks about. The NRA is its own worst enemy
Jonathan
Jan. 22nd, 2013 at 2:12 pm
As a matter of fact, the purpose of a gun is to save a life.
I’m a staunch and outspoken proponent of the second amendment, as well as a political independent.
I’ve also been particularly vociferous in my contempt for these egregious and irresponsible conspiracy theories, so I don’t think you should so hastily judge those of us who are merely interested in protecting the inalienable rights outlined by the constitution.
djchefron(Moderator)
Jan. 22nd, 2013 at 2:32 pm
The purpose of a gun is to wound and kill.Plain and simple.It wasnt invented to save lives.
Your right to own firearms are not in question.But it is society’s right to regulate what types you can own.President Obama didnt say that.I didnt say that.Your hero Justice Scalia and the supreme court said that.
Gun Ownership Rights Under Heller
What does the Supreme Court say about your right to own a gun in Heller?
www.nolo.com/legal-encycl...
Shiva(Moderator)
Jan. 22nd, 2013 at 3:04 pm
From your link
“One thing is for sure: Advocates all over the country will now challenge gun control laws based on the Supreme Court’s ruling in Heller. Within a day of the decision, lawsuits challenging gun control laws had been filed in Chicago and San Francisco, and additional challenges are expected in New York, Philadelphia, Detroit, and countless other cities.”
We note that it is the NRA and gun advocates who wanted more guns and the ability to carry guns in the large cities which typically have higher than normal crime rates. The crime rates didn’t go down because any gun laws were repealed. They just made it easier for gangs and others to get more weapons. And easier for more people to kill more people
Jonathan
Jan. 22nd, 2013 at 4:39 pm
Excuse me, I in no way align myself with Justice Scalia on any issue. Why are Liberals and Conservatives so eager to assume that anyone who disagrees with them on any issue is a member of the opposing party? I’m an INDEPENDENT. Why would Justice Scalia be my hero? I just happen to think that Liberals blindly, almost reflexively, dismiss the importance of our bill of rights. Once someone aligns themselves with a party, it becomes next to impossible to think outside of his/her respective ideological box.
I also ultimately disagree with the notion that consensus within society – Although we’ve seen nothing like consensus on this issue – is enough to legitimize changing our constitution. It was once consensus that holding the belief that the sun revolves around the earth is crazy enough to land you in prison.
Again, the constitution merely underlines our INALIENABLE rights. I’m a strong Atheist, but I believe that the strength of this country rests on a strong foundation of resolute principles. Our nation is secular. Our nation is one which promotes freedom of expression – our most essential human right – without apology. Our nation is one which gives power to the people. In light of this, if a single person dies because he/she was denied the right to properly defend him/herself, it would be a truly unconscionable violation of human rights.
It seems clichéd, but our constitution is there for a reason, and it’s been extremely successful in making ours a great country. If you don’t appreciate the values on which this country was founded, why not move elsewhere?
And, as a matter of fact, firearms were invented as equalizers. A form of defense in an increasingly hostile world. Defense against overwhelmingly large armies and overwhelmingly large bad guys. It was created as a way of neutralizing a force greater than yourself.
djchefron(Moderator)
Jan. 22nd, 2013 at 4:52 pm
I guess that why they were first use it was at a siege in the 11th century in Europe.You right it was a great equalizer for people trying to take from people behind defensive walls.You also right I shouldnt assume but let me ask you this.Did you protest when the government restricted peoples 1st amendment rights during the 2004 republican convention?Are you in favor of doing away with the 8h amendment when you lock someone up in solitary for years on end?When you piss in a cup do feel thats a violation of your 4th amendment?Or do you believe only the 2nd is absolute,all the other ones it depends on the circumstance.
Shiva(Moderator)
Jan. 22nd, 2013 at 2:58 pm
No. guns are made to kill.
No on e is talking about your right to own pistols rifles and shotguns. The discussion is about military “style” weapons. If you aree here to whine about someone talking your gun away, I sincerely doubt that would ever happen
Jonathan
Jan. 23rd, 2013 at 8:40 am
Shiva, on the contrary, there are quite a few people talking about exactly that.
djchefron, I believe that ALL are absolute, regardless of the circumstances. I will protest any and all infringments upon the first amendment.
The cruelty of the punishment is relative to the heinous nature of the crime. If someone were convicted of raping and murdering children, I don’t think that years in solitary confinement is particularly cruel. As a matter of fact, I think it’s rather lenient.
I do, actually, feel as though pissing into a cup is an infringement upon my fourth amendment rights. That is if it’s being imposed by the government. If a business asks that I agree to drug tests, that’s not unreasonable. I’d be entering into a mutual agreement.
You seem to think that because the country is one way that this must mean I endorse it. This is patently absurd.
I should also ask that you specify exactly what “siege” you’re referring to, because the first use of a gun was demonstrably not in Europe.
Also, it should be noted that the way a gun is used is of no relevance to why the gun was created. Of course, that’s like saying that baseball bats were created to bash in the heads of crooked bookies.
djchefron(Moderator)
Jan. 23rd, 2013 at 9:12 am
You are correct.It was not in Europa but in China www.grandhistorian.com/ch...
I apologize for the error.Concerning the 8th amendment in your view that is not absolute.You are willing to interpret it to fit the crime.Now there is nothing wrong with that view.That is my position on the 2nd amendment.It is not absolute.I am not saying this is your position but if we were to take it as a absolute right then I should be able to own nuclear weapons or at the very least a MIAI MBT.i should be able to own whatever weapon systems the government owns.Right.
No one is talking about banning guns,confiscating what guns that are already out there thats just plain stupid.But we are talking about reasonable restrictions.This argument has gotten so far out of control that in certain states you can carry a weapon into a bar.Now you may be able to use good judgment drink and packing heat in a bar but if its against the law to drink and drive what rational is there to be drinking and having a gun with you?
When people are my side of this debate start talking about banning all guns they get cut off.I tend not to listen to lunatics.Why is it on the other side it seems like the lunatics drive the debate.Reasonable people can compromise on this issue.We dont listen to the extremist on our side can you say the same?
Jonathan
Jan. 23rd, 2013 at 12:06 pm
I don’t think my position is unreasonable. I do not at all share the position held by the NRA that there should be no restrictions, but I think that owning an assualt rifle is outside of reason.
There are instances in which the use of a standard handgun has been unsuccessful against mutiple attackers, and once we acknowledge that most murders are committed with handguns and not Assault rifles, there’s no reason to suspect that these attacks will no longer occur.
What we’re talking about is taking away a very important and useful means of self defense in order to appease a legion of lemmings who are easily galvanized by symbols like Sandy Hook in spite of the fact that massacres like this account for an infinitesimal percentage of murders in this country.
Why aren’t people so easily moved to action by the daily murder of children in inner cities with strict gun control?
JR
Jan. 26th, 2013 at 4:26 pm
Sorry Shiva but you’re wrong. There is no evidence that .223 rounds were found in any of the victims. The fact that bullet fragments were found in ANY victim is proof that is wasnt a .223. The AR-15 round, like the AK47 is designed to penetrate at high velocity without fragmentation. It is designed like that because at high velocity those rounds arent what actually does the damage, it’s the air pocket in front of the bullet that creates a huge internal cavity and destroys everything internally…..In short a .223 does not fragment.
djchefron(Moderator)
Jan. 26th, 2013 at 4:53 pm
Ok dr.bombay what is your point.Remember my tin foil hat is not completed yet
dar winn
Jan. 20th, 2013 at 10:43 am
yesterday crook and liars put up the 4 kids [ who are beautiful, and charming] who wrote the prez and got invited to the signing ceremony, reading their letter. you all need to read the youtube kkkoments section. half are racist, the other half are screaming about the hoax of newtown. there can be no tying to understanding these people. there will be no negotiating with these people. the hate and ignorance on so many levels, should make the progs realize that there will never be a moment of clarity from these types, and that we must do what we need to do, and steamroll over the redstate baggers.
the GOP/baggers are the true enemy of the USA.
Reynardine
Jan. 20th, 2013 at 10:50 am
For further infamitá, read this: www.fstdt.com/QuoteCommen...
Limbaugh, of course, has already demonstrated a broad streak of pedosadism, but I think that’s built into the whackwingers.
Just A Dumb Fireman
Jan. 20th, 2013 at 10:50 am
I’m from Connecticut. My department sent an honor guard to the funerals. Anyone who thinks that this was a cynical fake needs to be bitchslapped, and then taken to interview the parents of the murdered children. What a sick, dumbass country!
Reynardine
Jan. 20th, 2013 at 11:06 am
They know they’re making up this “conspiracy”. They make the accusation just to be vicious.
Just A Dumb Fireman
Jan. 20th, 2013 at 11:22 am
Jsou blbci a kurvy.
Reynardine
Jan. 20th, 2013 at 3:43 pm
Very sketchy knowledge of Czech, here, but did you just call them sons of a bitch?
Reynardine
Jan. 20th, 2013 at 6:09 pm
On second thought, did you call them potatoheaded sons of a bitch? (Extrapolating from Belorussian, here)
Anne
Jan. 20th, 2013 at 11:15 am
There are people whose obsession with guns is so sick and twisted that they do the intellectual equivalent of gymnastics to defend their indefensible opposition to sensible gun control measures. One of these tactics is to label events like the Newtown massacre as “conspiracies” aimed at depriving all gun owners of all their gun rights. They simply cannot look past their noses long enough to accept the fact that there are dangerous people who should never have access to guns and that even if THEY are law-abiding, there are others who are not and are among those who shouldn’t have that access. It’s a sad commentary that after 20 innocent little ones died along with the 6 adults who died protecting them, these lunatics still bleat about gun rights as if those gun rights shouldn’t be balanced by the rights of everyone else to be safe–gun owners or not.
Mary
Jan. 20th, 2013 at 11:22 am
Only a sick twisted hate filled nut job would believe that, in order to justify their addiction to guns. DO ANY OF THESE CRAZIES ACTUALLY CARE WHAT HEARING THIS SLIME DOES TO THE PARENTS?
robyn ryan
Jan. 20th, 2013 at 12:46 pm
When you pay the people who educate the population less than you pay a restaurant manager, you get a nation of ignorant drones.
Why do you think the far right has been destroying public education for decades?
Critical thinking is the biggest threat to tyranny.
gozounlimited
Jan. 20th, 2013 at 12:48 pm
You should be kept away from children……
Shiva
Jan. 20th, 2013 at 1:03 pm
Who?
student21o122023
Jan. 20th, 2013 at 3:21 pm
“We have nothing to fear but fear itself.”
These NRA types are so afraid of losing their guns that they will be the reason they lose them. Rather than allowing a critical discussion of how to own weapons and keep people safe, they are to afraid of losing their guns.
Weezyt
Jan. 20th, 2013 at 3:43 pm
Geez. Calm down. All a conspiracy theory does is ask questions. The answer is simple, make enough videos and write enough posts proving the theory wrong, and it will rank higher and get more traffic.
One of my favorite classes growing up was 8th grade Social Studies. We spent an entire year studying U.S. Presidents and conspiracy theories. My favorites were the JFK theories. What a wonderful teacher to teach us not only “history”, but to learn about the conspiracy theorists trying to change history. I learned in this class to have an open mind, debate with my classmates, and draw my own conclusions.
The media used to do a great job of raising questions and researching different angles of a story. Now, they just draw conclusions without fully researching a topic and tell the public what they want them to think.
An open mind can be a great thing. Thank goodness we live in a country where we can think for ourselves and raise questions.
Shiva
Jan. 20th, 2013 at 4:12 pm
“All a conspiracy theory does is ask questions”
No, they turn usually normal people into complete idiots. They should not have to be refuted at all.
Reynardine
Jan. 20th, 2013 at 4:31 pm
All a conspiracy theory like this one does is give a big “fuck you” to bereaved parents, terrified kids, and a traumatized town. Learn decency.
Sabyen91
Jan. 20th, 2013 at 6:22 pm
You and your NAMBLA friends have parties where you diddle children, don’t you? Hey, I am just asking questions. Don’t bother denying it because I won’t believe you.
Sammy
Jan. 21st, 2013 at 1:08 am
The David Pakman Show – Sandy Hook ‘Hoax’ Debunked #VIDEO# p.ost.im/p/d5FhmM via @AddInfoOrg
charlie
Jan. 20th, 2013 at 6:17 pm
It’s the nature of all conspiracy theories…go big or go home. Alternative explanations for significant events have surfaced over and over and over. A couple of small discrepancies in an “official” explanation of a significant event raises a few eyebrows and next thing you know….a new conspiracy theory is hatched. Now in the age of youtube, these “theories” can catch on like wildfire and become national water cooler chat. And let’s face it…the public feeds on the sensational. These things can’t be stopped. Yes, NASA really did put a man on the moon and Elvis really is dead….but try telling that to my Uncle Joe. And be honest…how many still wonder about that whole JFK thing? What we can stop, is only ourselves from giving this “theory” any more attention than we think it deserves. Do we really want to attempt to ridicule all the skeptics among us and their theories? Whether we like it or not, no one has the authority to decide for someone else which theory has merit and which doesn’t. Each of us has the freedom to decide for ourselves. (I do think this one is pretty goofy myself). Well, I guess there is always another alternative… we could all just be good sheeple …conform….and make sure we never doubt or question anything.
Reynardine
Jan. 20th, 2013 at 8:32 pm
There is a chasm between skepticism and deliberate, malicious indecency. This is the latter.
charlie
Jan. 20th, 2013 at 11:46 pm
I try very hard never to presume to know the motives of those who initiate/perpetuate this kind of talk, and I typically prefer to err on the side of caution. Could it all be deliberate and malicious? That’s a pretty harsh accusation, but it’s possible. But it’s also possible that a sufficient amount of cynicism (regarding the government….which is nothing new) can lead the imagination to rum amuck. I always thought the 9/11 conspiracy theorists were being indecent with some of their accusations, but plenty of others disagreed.
I say stop giving the story traction and why try to debunk it? The “debunkers” will put up resistance to the theory and then an argument may follow. It could all backfire and actually wind up helpful to the theorists. The feedback they get will help them to refine their theories and the buzz that the argument creates attracts even more attention to the whole thing. Starve the beast…and with the help of the 24 hour news cycle and a bit of luck….the chatter will be gone in a week.
Zephyr
Jan. 20th, 2013 at 10:46 pm
There isn’t “a Sandy Hook conspiracy theory.” There are all kinds of theories, suggestions, questions – everything from “something’s slightly odd here” to “it never happened.”
To try to dismiss all thoughts and questions by labeling them “a conspiracy theory” is no more useful than trying to promote any one theory.
We simply don’t know everything we need to know about Sandy Hook, nor about any major world event. It takes years of investigation, generally, to do a good job figuring any big story out. That is why hundreds if not thousands of investigators, government officials, lawyers, insurance agents and media personell are working on the Sandy Hook story right now–and being paid to do so. If a regular citizen asks the same–or more–questions, it’s way off the mark to call that citizen a “conspiracy theorist” (whatever that is).
I’m a pro-gun-regulation parent, and I’m asking questions. It doesn’t make much sense not to.
Shiva
Jan. 20th, 2013 at 11:00 pm
There are several Sandy Hook conspiracy’s. Such as Obama did this out of the blue to get every ones guns. etc etc etc
Joe C
Jan. 21st, 2013 at 10:41 am
Good post Zephyr.
I’d like to add it seems obvious people DO NOT trust the media to give them the entire truth. Let’s face it– it’s the reason FOX exists at all!
Also, there is the morbid curiosity of the mob. Plus any good soundbyte will sell– even if it’s wrong or half true.
What is undeniable is politicians will use the “opportunity” of these tragedies for gain. What Cuomo did last week is shameful and I’m embarassed to be a New Yorker represented by him– regardless of my views on gun control.
Shiva(Moderator)
Jan. 21st, 2013 at 11:12 am
What did Cuomo “gain”?
Tragedy’s like this point out the need in our society that we need to do something. some people step up and do that soemthing
Chris
Jan. 20th, 2013 at 11:31 pm
I do not believe the Sandy hook conspiracy theory, but I find it offensive that you assume only conservatives ( a simple difference in philosophy regarding politics) are crazy or stupid. Were all the 9/11 triuthers conservatives? Probably not. It is also naive to never question what is going on around you. To blindly follow any political party’s every agenda is just as silly and ideological as joining a cult. Think for yourself. Don’t let talking heads or journalists form your opinions. Be a free thinker and find what you believe.
Reynardine
Jan. 21st, 2013 at 7:20 am
‘Scuse. This was not a complex event, like 9/11, Pearl Harbor, or the assassination at Sarajevo. This was a simple and ghastly murder of children, their teachers, and the suspect’s mother. To accuse bereaved parents of faking their children’s death is infamitá, pure and simple, and it’s too bad that vicious little peabrains have to inject *their* partisanship into it.
Pete
Jan. 21st, 2013 at 12:07 am
I am by no means a conspiracy theorist. This is the first I have ever paid any attention to what I usually consider drivel; maybe the grassy knoll from the 60′s, but that is about it. However, this time things just didn’t sit right, so I poked around and think I figured “it” out and can’t believe this could be, so here goes:
There is no conspiracy here. Some one screwed up BIIIIG time because Sandy Hook was a FEMA exercise gone out of control; fueled by hysteria and who else – the media.
FEMA and Homeland Security were conducting a course the same day and time of Sandy Hook in conjunction with a hospital (level II pediatric trauma) 20 minutes away. Actors were confirmed in the area. You have to see for yourself – www.ct.gov/demhs/ical/eve...
It is public information and I feel it all comes down to this guy’s statement and not the camouflage guy in the woods (wth?!)
I stumbled upon this: “Predictably, the Sandy Hook truthers have taken to Facebook to dispute the claim from real crisis actors about Newtown, and the group responded to one claim about how crisis actors are required to operate, clarifying regarding the role of crisis actors in a FEMA drill conducted nearby in Connecticut the day of the shooting:
“Yes, but [crisis actors were present in Connecticut] strictly within the 4 corners of the exercise itself, and ONLY to improve responders’ ability to rescue, and NEVER to pass off what we do as real. You are required to let everybody know it’s an exercise, using road signs, media advisories, etc. If you slip up on this and fail to let everybody know, it’s a HUGE embarrassment! It gets written up in an after-action report and there’s hell to pay.” – www.inquisitr.com/483547/...
I can now relax to realize no big brother staged something. This falls into the proverbial category of “SHIT HAPPENS” under “BAD SHIT…
Pete
Jan. 21st, 2013 at 12:19 am
BTW – The mysterious man shown being pursued by the police after the Sandy Hook shooting in this video has been ‘identified’ as an off-duty AND ARMED tactical squad police officer from another Connecticut district, according to the Newtown Bee.:
A man with a gun who was spotted in the woods near the school on the day of the incident was an off-duty tactical squad police officer from another town, according to the source.
Sammy
Jan. 21st, 2013 at 1:17 am
Thanks for posting this info. I had read that the man running through the woods was a fatere of a child in the Sandy Hook school who was trying tio get to the school. When the police found out who he was he was released.
Bun in the early moments of the crisis no one knew what was going on, as is the case in most situations like this. The confusion in the early moments is what the wackatudes latch on to.
Reynardine
Jan. 21st, 2013 at 7:25 am
I am tired of fuckheads whose mission is to *hurt* people whose already overwhelming prior sufferings have brought to light an inconvenient truth. I bet you’re a Holocaust denier, too.
Pete
Jan. 21st, 2013 at 1:27 am
If I am a father, why the hell would I run waaaay into the woods away from the police?
Here is a previous example of it happening:
www.youtube.com/watch?NR=...
We are being played like a fiddle. Sandy Hook was an FSE (Full Scale Exercise), a FEMA exercise gone out of control. The line to reality being stretched so far, it’s best to just move on, say ouch and focus our energy on our 2nd Amendment.
I AM mad at my government for running with it to further their agenda. Bastards.
Your thoughts?
Reynardine
Jan. 21st, 2013 at 7:26 am
My thoughts? I think you should shut up.
Deborah Foster
Jan. 21st, 2013 at 11:17 am
And seek psychiatric help
Howard Brazee
Jan. 21st, 2013 at 9:52 am
When one starts off with that kind of rationality, do you think there is any amount of proof that would convince the crazies?
Kyle
Jan. 21st, 2013 at 5:30 pm
photographic evidence would be a start…
Reynardine
Jan. 21st, 2013 at 8:24 pm
You want photos of kids’ corpses? What a sweetheart you are! And then you’d demand tissue samples, wouldn’t you? Go do something less shameless, such as dance a public cancan without pants.
Ronald
Jan. 23rd, 2013 at 1:20 pm
You don’t need photographs of the children to prove the case. How about still shots from the video surveillance cameras the school had. Everyone reported he came in the front entrance, therefore, it should be incredibly easy to prove this horrific crime happened the way we’ve been told, yet they’ve provided nothing to the public to prove it. Why?
Shiva(Moderator)
Jan. 23rd, 2013 at 1:37 pm
Why should they feed your need for blood? They didnt show pics of Columbine and they dont show the dead from others mass murders. Move the feck along
Kyle
Jan. 21st, 2013 at 2:40 pm
The only reason Americans are so easily influenced by conspiracies stems from 200 years of distrust. If the founding fathers trusted their Government we very well could have been the English States of America. Many will laugh, but do you really think that the war of 1776 was caused by high taxes with no representation? Every penny of our income taxes goes to the federal reserve to cover the interest on all the money we borrow. An unconstitutional tax without representation. Why aren’t we already in revolt again? Because Paul Revere wasn’t just warning that the British were coming…they were coming to take our guns. The connections between gun legislation and the Sandy Hook massacre are what is truly sickening. The aftermath of this event should have led to a national firearms safety class, or even the government issue of a weapon for defense. If Adam Lanza WAS IN FACT alone in this it would have taken one shot to save 20+ lives.
I say a true American is suspicious. If you dont like it go back to England where they don’t like guns and instead prefer mass stabbings.
Shiva(Moderator)
Jan. 21st, 2013 at 9:16 pm
Thats right. More guns to stop guns. then more people will have guns and it will take more guns to stop the more people with guns from killing. Then, of course more people again will have guns and it will take an astronomical number of guns to stop the people who kill with guns.
Kyle, if you think more guns will stop more guns you are the idiot I think you are.
I say you are not a true American. A true American recognizes the guns place. You dont. Whats it going to be for you? Iran? Africa shooting gays?
Reynardine
Jan. 24th, 2013 at 6:16 pm
The fact is that a deranged youth got his hands on a weapon that never should have been floating around in public and killed twenty little kids, six adults, and himself, most in less time than it takes me to type this. That is an inconvenient truth for you and your doctrines, and you seek to punish the victims’ families further with your indecent suggestions. Now, permit me to make an indecent suggestion as to where you can grind your axe.
Lynn
Jan. 21st, 2013 at 9:40 pm
So which is it? Did the bigbadgovernment persuade hundreds of people to go along with a scam or did the bigbadgovernment actually slaughter children for political gain?
Before I forget, where did all the dead women and children come from?
Lucy
Jan. 24th, 2013 at 10:55 am
It’s not “the government,” and probably not Obama, but the NWO globalists who are bigger than our government and president. Something big is coming down, believe it (the entire economy collapsing, along with major environmental catastrophe?), and they want us disarmed for it, or at least less armed.
Shiva(Moderator)
Jan. 24th, 2013 at 10:58 am
I agree that there is something bigger than the US government who directly or indirectly call the shots on the global movements. I believe that is the banking industry and whoever controls that globally
But I do not agree that anyone is been disarmed. Everyone will still have the basic weapons that they have owned for years and years. And according to the gun nuts you can kill just as many people with those weapons as you can an assault rifle so they should be just fine
Reynardine
Jan. 24th, 2013 at 6:09 pm
Lucy, whoever pooped in your brains and forgot to flush should do the decent thing and bring a plunger, a toilet brush, and some Lysol.
Pete
Jan. 22nd, 2013 at 9:35 pm
Do you know the parents never physically saw their children again? They were told “it was too graphic”.
djchefron(Moderator)
Jan. 22nd, 2013 at 10:28 pm
There was one parent who had an open casket for her child.Half his face was blown off.It was so graphic that the Governor couldn’t stomach it.She like the mother of Emmett Till wanted people to see the horror.Unlike Emmett Till the American people did not get to see the results of a fanatical ideology.
Jonathan
Jan. 23rd, 2013 at 12:07 pm
I DON’T think that owning an assault rifle is outside of reason.*
jason
Jan. 23rd, 2013 at 12:36 pm
one factor that has given way to a culture of preposterous conspiracies? shows like “x-files”. before you scoff, listen – i’ve seen every episode of that show (my favorite of all-time) and many from others whose subject matter dealt with FBI thugs, rogue agents and the like. the sandy hook ‘hoax’ comes from people whose thought processes, information, ideals, values, and morals were impressed and molded by fiction. if you arent aware, the theories are even zanier when it comes to UFOs. read various online blogs (i do not want to name them here) and see for yourself. Columbine and the moon landing(s) were also hoaxes, according to these camps. so the fact that we are talking about Sandy Hook as some sort of ‘conspiracy’ does not surprise to me.
Ronald
Jan. 23rd, 2013 at 1:14 pm
I do not believe in conspiracy theories, but unfortunately I still do have questions about Sandy Hook. Thus far I haven’t seen anything that backs up the official story- no blood, no bodies, no photographic evidence or video surveillance footage, even though the school had video cameras. Forget the Facebook pages, that’s meaningless, but the lack of real legal evidence is disturbing.
jason
Jan. 23rd, 2013 at 3:04 pm
i am not worried about the cameras. my understanding is that they are not ‘video cameras’. that is, they arent filming. rather the camera(s) were used to run a live stream into a monitor, merely for identifying who is at the door. i could be wrong, but that is what i understood from a brief on the spot interview i saw a few weeks ago (which by now seems like months) with parents (more than one, and on the spot the day of the shooting).
i cant believe this is still a question – surely someone can easily verify this by speaking to whomever installed the system for the school. i think in due time it will be stated what the deal is with the security system. up to now, it hasnt been stated because its better to collect information and provide a report/statement, dont you think (the truthers will think its stalling).
Reynardine
Jan. 24th, 2013 at 6:05 pm
Were you born an abusive little moron, or did you study to be one? Forensics are never released to the public until a trial or (in this case) an inquest reaches a finding, and some should never be released at all. You want blood? You want autopsy photos, you ghoul? You won’t get them, any more than I will see spiteful, indecent people like you publicly whipped at cart’s tail.
Stephen
Jan. 23rd, 2013 at 7:40 pm
The Blaze’s article to debunk the conspiracy:
www.theblaze.com/stories/...
Shame
Jan. 24th, 2013 at 12:35 pm
I wish everyone would REALLY think about what they are trying to say as they leave these nasty, hurtful, childish, ignorant comments. Is this how we honor these children & adults who were slaughtered? What must their families feel as the are exposed to this garbage? What was going through the minds of these babies & teachers as they are huddled in a closet & the “bad man” is shooting? What were they feeling as they were being shot & lay there bleeding to death?
How insensitive and numb have we, as a society, become?
Shame on you!
Jill
Jan. 24th, 2013 at 2:47 pm
One quick question for everyone,I have seen the youtube video as well and although some of you think its absalutley sickning for people to be questioning wether this was a set up or not why is it that it was said only 4 handguns were found inside of the school, while the medical examaner said those gun wounds were caused by a riffle? And how was that possible if the riffle was seen on footage of police officers retriving it from the trunk of lanzas car? Lanza killed himself inside of the school so how was it possible for handguns to have been the weapons that shot each of the 26 targets not just once, but 3-13 times each?? Its just not logical, that is millitary status of accuracy not only to get all 26 of your targets once but to get them all that many times each is unexplanitory..UNLESS they were shot with a millitary weapon such as a riffle, which again was not inside of the school but inside of the TRUNK OF HIS CAR. Honestly I hope I sound like an idiot and dont know what I’m talking about, so a brief explanation from one of you would be greatly appreciated and make me feel less crazy about this whole ordeal because at the end of the day there were children murdered and that is something I have ZERO tollerance for.
Reynardine
Jan. 24th, 2013 at 5:42 pm
Vulva dentata hians.
Kaitlyn B
Jan. 24th, 2013 at 5:23 pm
If you watch some of the videos it’s actually really convincing… And I’m not one to just go believing conspiracy videos on youtube.. But they actually compare interviews and news casts that just don’t add up. Like why did the “medical examiner” state that the majority of the wounds were caused by the rifle.. That rifle never entered the school and theres later news footage of them retreiving it from the trunk of his car. Why were donation facebook pages created 2 days before the shooting? Why was Emilee’s father laughing and joking seconds before he started “crying” in his interview. Why is there helicopter footage of them chasing down and arresting someone else outside the school? Why isn’t Emilee in any of the school class photos? Why wasnt there a single EMT or ambulance outside the school rushing children who were shot to the hospital? Or the boy they interviewed who said it was “like a drill” and “sounded like kicking down doors” but nothing about shooting or screaming? Why did the school nurse say that the shooters mother was a kindergarten teacher at the school…When shes not a teacher at all..Theres so many unanswered questions and obviously anything can be doctored up now a day and you cant even believe what you see anymore but theres so much raw proof that really makes you think.
Kaitlyn B
Jan. 24th, 2013 at 5:26 pm
Also…How does an apparently unstable psychotic man who has no gun expirience shoot dozens of children not missing once, and shooting each a few times…Leaving only 1 injured. When in shootings like columbine with expirienced shooters there were way more people injured than killed…And wouldnt frantic children in classrooms be a harder target than that of a movie theater like the aurour shooting?
Shiva(Moderator)
Jan. 24th, 2013 at 5:37 pm
Again you are misinformed. The shooter had been to the range many times with his mother who was a shooting enthusiast.
The assault rifle shoots 5 shells a second if you pull the trigger fast enough. The kids that were shot never had a chance to be frantic.
Go do your own research. You are being made a fool of
I just watched one of the conspiracy videos. They show the cops puilling a rifles out of a car. IN THE DARK. this all happened during the daylight hours. Howe can people be so easily taken?
Shiva(Moderator)
Jan. 24th, 2013 at 5:28 pm
1. The shooters mother is a teacher.
2. A shotgun was left in the car.
3. Do you have evidence the facebook pages were made 2 days before?
4. Does a 6 year old know the difference between doors being kicked and a semi automatic rifle?
5. All of these things are things you have been told by conspiracy theorists putting up videos
Reynardine
Jan. 24th, 2013 at 5:38 pm
You have forgotten decency.
William Carr
Jan. 28th, 2013 at 11:34 pm
“That rifle never entered the school and theres later news footage of them retreiving it from the trunk of his car. ”
Here’s the problem. A conspiracy wonk makes a false claim, and you believe it without checking.
The AR-15 WAS in the school; it was used to blow down the door and commit murder.
The gun recovered from the car was a shotgun. But you fell for the hoax.
Tada
Jan. 27th, 2013 at 12:37 am
No shooting ranges in the area ever heard of the Lanzas and not in their records. SS death index shows Adam dead 1 day before the shooting. Multiple benefit sites show uploads many days before. Vicky Soto Facebook showed upload 4 days before the hooting. Vimeo dedications to at least 4 victims showed uploads days to weeks before the shooting, multiple suspects were seen and heard on scanners, police and news explanations do not make sense; *it was a dad running, to it was an off duty Tactical LEO form another town running from police etc.., many news photos photos shoped, many news videos green screened, timeline of all conflicting stories impossible, 120 pound kid wit aspirer disease cannot drive, cannot wear 100 pounds of gear, cannot shoot through bulletproof double glass door, cannot do all and shoot 27 with no casualties all in 5 minutes. Rosen alleged psychologist retired, only has 2 years of community college- he is not a psych-impossible. However he is listed as a TV video consult co. owner for the state. His stories 4 of them all do not match and not credible. and on and on and on. Naysayers should argue facts instead of ridicule.
William Carr
Jan. 28th, 2013 at 11:24 pm
“120 pound kid wit aspirer disease cannot drive, cannot wear 100 pounds of gear, cannot shoot through bulletproof double glass door, cannot do all and shoot 27 with no casualties all in 5 minutes. ”
Why do you believe these lies ?
The AR-15 blasted through the door. A 120 Pound kid can’t drive?
What about 120 pound women, genius ? Can THEY drive a car ?
Why do you believe the “SS Death Index” gets updated instantly ? It takes MONTHS.
You fall too easily for stupid hoaxes, and you need to learn to think for yourself.
Shiva(Moderator)
Jan. 29th, 2013 at 12:00 am
Jesus, I just read his post. He is dumber then a rock