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South Dakota To Advocate Spiritual Counseling
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The First Amendment prohibits government interference in religion and conversely, religious interference in government. The government cannot endorse any one religion; it’s our great bulwark, our wall of separation, between us and the great historical evil of state-sponsored religion.
But somebody forgot to tell lawmakers in South Dakota.
We’ve seen a lot of madness lately, coming from Republican ranks where women’s reproductive rights are concerned. Despite all the talk about being against government interference and regulation in our lives, the Republicans have demonstrated that they are all for the government being in our business – our very private business.
They want to make it legal to murder abortion doctors, or to make miscarriages illegal. They want spies in our bedrooms.
The South Dakota legislature has before it a bill (House Bill 1217 or HB 1217) which would force all women who need an abortion to get religious counseling at a Crisis pregnancy center before waiting 72 hours before the procedure is performed (the national norm is 24 hours and that is what South Dakota’s current waiting period is). Worse, the woman would be forced to “prove” that she is not being coerced. How do you prove something like that?
The Senate Health and Human Services Committee likes the bill; they voted 6-1 to send it to the full chamber. The House has already passed the bill. Republican Gov. Dennis Daugaard, they say, is likely to sign it though his spokesman won’t say either way. In case you’re wondering, the Republicans have a 30-5 majority in the Senate.
As Care2 points out, “Assuming the bill becomes law it will likely face a legal challenge as it unreasonably restricts women’s rights to access legal health care procedure.”
Mandatory counseling/waiting bills are offensive for a number of reasons. They drum up the imaginary problem of women “rushing” through the decision and process of terminating a pregnancy when the evidence does not support this reality at all. They also take away from women the right to make informed medical decisions and instead institute a “gatekeeper” charged with “protecting” the woman from the pernicious forces of medical advice.
The bill is certainly unconstitutional on First Amendment grounds alone. The state cannot meddle in religion; it cannot force a person to have religious counseling. What if the person is an atheist? What if the person is a Jew, or a Muslim, or like me, a Heathen? The ACLU has already announced a court challenge should the bill be signed into law. South Dakotans have already twice rejected measures that would ban abortions, but the Republican Party really doesn’t care what the people think, despite all the talk about “democracy.” They only want the people’s opinion if the people agree with them.
Did I forget to mention? The spiritual counseling gimmick Christian.
Crisis pregnancy centers are at their core anti-abortion fronts grounded in Christian-right anti-choice ideology. They almost always receive state funding and, through legislation such as what is pending in South Dakota, become de facto benefactors of the state and entangle the state into essentially sponsoring or endorsing a specific religious belief about abortion. And that is key as cpc’s don’t offer verified and accurate scientific evidence to buttress their recommendations.
So when the state anoints these religious-based crisis pregnancy centers to gatekeepers of access to reproductive health services it is forcing women to under go religious rather than medical counseling prior to accessing these services.
Oh, and by the way, pro-choice groups can’t run these crisis counseling centers. According to the bill:
The pregnancy help center has a facility or office in the state of South Dakota in which it routinely consults with women for the purpose of helping them keep their relationship with their unborn children; that one of its principal missions is to educate, counsel, and otherwise assist women to help them maintain their relationship with their unborn children; that they do not perform abortions at their facility, and have no affiliation with any organization or physician which performs abortions; that they do not now refer pregnant women for abortions, and have not referred any pregnant women for an abortion at any time in the three years immediately preceding July 1, 2011.
Yeah, the fix is in, folks.
The state really has no business telling people their need to cope spiritually with an issue – any issue. Spirituality does not come under state or federal purview. Spirituality is not in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights. What’s next? Requiring that you belong to a church before you are able to exercise your constitutional rights to do anything?
South Dakota teeters on a dangerous slope here and measures like this are tantamount to declaring a theocratic state. This is an unconstitutional and repressive measure, better suited to the era Thomas Jefferson and James Madison thought they had put behind us. South Dakota needs to reconsider its priorities and think very carefully about the consequences of state-sponsored religion.
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Ron Millam
Mar. 2nd, 2011 at 8:04 am
If any counseling is required, it should be the the SD lawmakers themselves who are counseled in the concepts in the U.S. Constitution and the intent of the Founding Fathers. Were all of these SD lunatics home-schooled by religious fundamentalists? The Constitution prohibits any religious test for holding office, but it does NOT prohibit an IQ test — maybe that’s what is missing in the electoral process.
Shiva (Moderator)
Mar. 2nd, 2011 at 8:06 am
looks to me like it’s part of the movement. The Republican tea party you will be a Christian movement. This is not much different than the bill that was presented in Iowa this storekeepers and businesses could refuse to serve people who do not meet certain religious standards.
this smacks of big business. After all people at the centers have to be paid, and this is an addition to government. I wonder how long it will take before these people understand that religion does not mix with the government specifically in a mandatory basis. I would have no problem if people were given a choice of consulting with an organization of a religious basis. For instance a person is getting an abortion and checks a box stating that they would like to have someone get in touch with them from a NON-governmental agency for counseling and from whatever faith they profess to be in. but to make it mandatory is just plain illegal.
We know that many states are leaning towards this type of integrating their religion with their government. As far as I’m concerned this is part of the plan to rid the schools of any standards so they can teach religion. This is the perfect opportunity for religion to go wrong and to move away from its teachings to promote its leadership.
Reynardine
Mar. 2nd, 2011 at 9:18 am
Rid the schools of any standards? No, they are out to rid us of schools at all.
Sally
Mar. 2nd, 2011 at 10:15 am
The fix is in indeed. I cannot fathom how the GOP thinks this strategy in all these states being attacked is winning them any votes. Do they not care? Are they so enamored of the religious zealots in the Tea Party that they think they will take over the minds of the masses by 2012? I just don’t see it. I see this as a desperate attempt to control women, end public education, and start with the brainwashings. And they told us Obama was the problem? So the solution is, destroy the Constitution so a black man can never run again?
Hrafnkell Haraldsson
Mar. 2nd, 2011 at 10:20 am
And again they have demonstrated that they really don’t care what the majority of the public thinks. Their stance against Marriage Equality demonstrates this and their stance against Women’s Reproductive Rights reinforces it, since most South Dakotans have shown they don’t want a ban on abortion.
Anisah D
Mar. 2nd, 2011 at 5:41 pm
They only wish to promote “their” religious ideals and they want to force everyone else to comply. 45 of these same folks signed onto the bill to strip South Dakota Muslims of their religious rights…but it was “BIG BUSINESS” in the state that complained to the committee enough to get the committees to vote it down! Mind you, the proponents claimed they were out to “protect” Muslim women! Yeh right! They only use Muslim women to justify their bigoted bills. But they didn’t expect Citibank and others to balk at their suggestion. WOMEN of South Dakota need to strike and deny these religious zealots their “rights” as men! Give them a taste of what the Liberian politicians felt when Liberian Muslim and Christian women withheld sex from their menfok until the women’s issues were finally addressed! Its time they discover we are NOT the weaker sex! We can live without sex a lot longer then they can, in most cases!
Reynardine
Mar. 2nd, 2011 at 10:26 am
Yes, that is part of their solution. Another is to start with first their troll corps, and then their barking heads, characterizing democracy as “mob rule” until the MSM pick it up. And another is the stealth move towards a Second Constitutional Convention. Whatever lies beyond that will not be wholesome, much less pleasant – not for the nation, not for the planet.
proudfoot
Mar. 2nd, 2011 at 11:31 am
OK…..so when one of these so called Christians 15 year old daughter comes walking through the door and tell’s the family she has just been raped and now she’s pregnant, what are they going to do and say, pray that she develops ‘vagina dentata’ they would have to get Beck to explain that on a chalkboard?
Republicans forcing government takeover by taking away right’s, while saying they want a smaller government all funded with taxpayer money.
Seriously, this sure sounds like a good time for liberal’s to really come out in force. Who would want to live in a state where they forced and mandated it’s citizens too be ‘anti-choice’?
And the people of the state are walking around with no rights because the GOP’s God wants them and tells them that you are mandated by state law too maintain a forgiving relationship with your daughters rapist child? That sounds crazy too me.
PRO-CHOICE!!!!
Note: I’m a firm and staunch ‘pro-choice’ supporter and advocate.
Shiva (Moderator)
Mar. 2nd, 2011 at 11:53 am
In total agreement Proudfoot. Now is the time for Dems to wake up.
proudfoot
Mar. 2nd, 2011 at 11:49 am
And heaven forbid (this is reality talking) if it was a minority or a family male member that raped her???
Then the GOP’s God’s says “grab your bible and your gun….”
btw who would want to live in Wyoming???
Reynardine
Mar. 2nd, 2011 at 12:28 pm
Actually, that is not the proper use of “vagina dentata”: more accurately, that is defined by (say) Sarah Palin’s mouth.
Rmuse
Mar. 2nd, 2011 at 7:14 pm
Another step toward theocracy and they do it blatantly. Makes me sick.
revolutionnot
Mar. 3rd, 2011 at 11:31 am
What hypocrites those SD representatives are. Maybe we can reverse the bill. Can we get spiritual counseling on women’s right for each representative that votes for this bill every time before a woman has an abortion?