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Sunday Smack Down: The Mainstream Media Finally Challenges Republican Lies
The mainstream finally stepped up today,and on separate Sunday shows, challenged the lies and talking points of Republicans Paul Ryan and John McCain.
Paul Ryan tried to rewrite history on the sequester, but he ran into a brick wall named Jonathan Karl on ABC.
Video:
RYAN: The Senate hasn’t passed a bill to replace the sequester. The president gave a speech showing that he’d like to replace it, but he hasn’t put any details out there. So that is why I conclude I believe it’s going to take place.
But take a step back. We are here because the president back in the last session of congress refused to cut spending in any place and therefore we wound up with the sequester.
KARL: But Congressman, I’ve heard you say this and a talking point for Republicans for a long time. This was the president’s idea on and on and on, but let’s look at your own words. What you said right after the law putting this in place was passed in August of 2011. These are your words. You said “what conservatives like me have been fighting for, for years are statutory caps on spending, literally legal caps in law that says government agencies cannot spend over a set amount of money and if they breach that amount across the board sequester comes in to cut that spending. You can’t turn it out without a supermajority. We got that into law.
Now it sounds to me there like if you weren’t taking credit for the idea of the sequester, you were certainly suggesting it was a good idea.
A bigger surprise occurred when David Gregory confronted John McCain about his Benghazi cover up conspiracy theory.
Sarah Jones has full story, but the confrontation went in part,
JOHN MCCAIN: So there are many, many questions. And we have had- a massive cover-up on the part of-
DAVID GREGORY:But a massive cover-up of what?
(OVERTALK)
DAVID GREGORY:-I mean, Susan Ri- wait a minute-
(OVERTALK)
DAVID GREGORY:Susan Rice said there was a lot of-
JOHN MCCAIN: Do you care-
DAVID GREGORY:-confusion.
JOHN MCCAIN: Do you care-
(OVERTALK)
DAVID GREGORY: I’m asking you-
JOHN MCCAIN: Do you care to-
DAVID GREGORY:-what is the Republican way-
JOHN MCCAIN: I’m asking you, do you care- I- I’m- I’m asking you, do you care whether four Americans died? Or do you- the reasons for that? And- and shouldn’t pe- people be held accountable for the fact that four Americans died-
DAVID GREGORY: Well, what you said was the cover-up-
(OVERTALK)
DAVID GREGORY: A cover-up of what?
John McCain seemed quite surprised and then immediately enraged when he realized that David Gregory, whose standard reply to Republican talking points is a serious look and then the expression mmhmm, would actually challenge him on something that he said.
It is unusual for a Republican guest to be challenged once on any one of the Sunday talk shows. Republicans never seem to get challenged twice, and mainstream media Republican darlings like John McCain and Paul Ryan never get challenged at all.
There are a few different possible explanations for why this happened. Maybe the mainstream media is beginning to catch on to the fact that the 65 million people who voted for Barack Obama in 2012 represent the majority. I have grave doubts that this sort of earth shaking epiphany actually reached the corporations that control our mainstream media.
A more likely explanation is that Republicans have gone too far. Imaginary conspiracies to justify filibustering a defense secretary nominee and completely revising history in order to eliminate your role in it may be a bridge too far for the mainstream media. (The mainstream press has been allowing Republicans to invent their own facts for years, so why start trying to enforce a standard of truth on Republicans now?)
For whatever reason, we were treated to glimpse of what it would look like if our media held Republicans accountable for their lies and false statements. When Karl confronted Paul Ryan he got that familiar eyes glazed over deer in headlights look that we all know so well from the 2012 campaign. Over on Meet The Press, John McCain looked like he was ready to go all North Vietnam on David Gregory for daring to question him.
Republican are so used to being softballed by the corporate media Sunday shows that Ryan and McCain fell apart as soon as they pushed at all. If the mainstream media would do this everyday, Republicans would be held accountable for their lies, and maybe if the political price was high enough, they would choose to join the rest of us in reality.
If this what the mainstream media could be, it is time for viewers to vote with their remotes and demand a media that challenges and informs.
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503me
Feb. 17th, 2013 at 4:29 pm
It would be nice to think that finally our corporate owned media has woke up and seen the light, but I don’t think so.
Reynardine
Feb. 17th, 2013 at 4:37 pm
I don’t think the corporate media, per se, *has* a conscience, but I think a great many presstitutes once wanted to be real journalists, and something as egregious as Katrina or this present course of conduct makes them remember it a little.
8^/
Feb. 17th, 2013 at 4:41 pm
president paul ryan?
zelduh
Feb. 17th, 2013 at 5:07 pm
Perish the thought!
Nik DeWitt
Feb. 18th, 2013 at 12:44 am
If Lyan Ryan doesn’t know if he should run for POTUS, I say go ahead and run, we will give him the same answer we gave him when he tried for VPOTUS. Never elect a politician with no lips, it seems they can’t control what comes out of their mouths.
TStMauro
Feb. 18th, 2013 at 5:25 am
You’ve hit on something that I’ve been watching for years. Granted, it’s not scientific, but I’ve found that people who do not have upper lips are not really seen as nice people. They have very strict views on issues, are rude, condescending, etc. Again, it’s not scientific, but…
PamB
Feb. 17th, 2013 at 4:46 pm
I am getting sick of McCain’s trying to find a way to slap Obama’s face, even if he has to use weak, flimsy things like “Well Susan Rice said it was because of a movie:”! SO FREAKEN WHAT !!!
Why weren’t you this outraged when you found out 4600 US troops were killed in Iraq for Lies???
juicyfruityy
Feb. 17th, 2013 at 6:54 pm
“Why weren’t you this outraged when you found out 4600 US troops were killed in Iraq for Lies???”
Because he was for the invasion. So, he will never admit that the attack on Iraq was a mistake. He still want people to believe that he is for “Country First”.
Kristen
Feb. 17th, 2013 at 4:51 pm
Ryan is a hypocritical, revisionist, banker-owned, issue-deaf, lying twerp.
Sandra
Feb. 17th, 2013 at 6:19 pm
Yeah, Lyin Ryan is still peddling the same lies he tried in 2012, didn’t get him very far, yet here he’s still at it. Hey,Ryan, no intelligent person is buying your bs verbal diarrhrea.
MagicMiguel
Feb. 17th, 2013 at 4:51 pm
Hey Girl — it’s Paul Ryan! heygirlitspaulryan.tumblr...
zelduh
Feb. 17th, 2013 at 5:09 pm
Hysterical! Thanks for the link!
Shiva(Moderator)
Feb. 17th, 2013 at 5:02 pm
McCain and crew have become just like the posts I delete here daily. People who say things, forget why they are saying them and then dont realize they were just talking points. Meaningless drivel from Fox or Breitbart, meaningless drivel from congressmen who use talking points to blame Obama and now forget why they say them.
Not a one of them can tell you why they think there is a massive cover up. None of them can explain why you cannot Beleive a word that comes out of Ryan’s mouth
Mayme
Feb. 17th, 2013 at 5:10 pm
I don’t have any idea of what the hell he is saying. He sounds like he is talking in a circle.
Sandra
Feb. 17th, 2013 at 6:26 pm
I think that’s the idea, talk fast, and interrupt the interviewer by talking over him/her while repeating the same drivel and lies ad adnauseum in the hopes some of it will stick to the wall. Same shite as last year and they year b4 that and the year b4 that…you get my drift.
juicyfruityy
Feb. 17th, 2013 at 5:11 pm
Less people are tuning in to watch the Sunday shows. We already know who’s going to be on and that they are going to lie. I don’t expect the MSM to change their tune. Even though, their ratings and credibility are decreasing.
Arthur Cohen
Feb. 17th, 2013 at 5:39 pm
If these examples were smackdowns, I’m the Easter bunny. I suppose after years of almost total capitulation to the lies and disinformation of the right wing guests, even these modest and fleeting objections are noticeable, but, sorry, that’s all they are.
djchefron(Moderator)
Feb. 17th, 2013 at 6:17 pm
I have a very simple idea to fix these Sunday gabfest.Each show should have a three person panel questioning the “contestants”That way we might get some real answers for a change.
On MTP keep dancin dave and put Rachel and a rotating journalist on.
david
Feb. 17th, 2013 at 7:06 pm
I wonder if Ryan wears fire proof pants.
Jimmy Cracks Capricorns
Feb. 17th, 2013 at 7:19 pm
Gregory is turning Meet The Press into a stage for carnival barkers. McCain rolled right over him, shouting his obtuse talking points and Gregory feigned insisting McCain was just peacocking…what a waste of airtime.
Thomas Johnson
Feb. 17th, 2013 at 7:26 pm
Every Democrat in a campaign from now on should use three words:
evidence
based
world.
Take that rethugs.
Doris ~
Feb. 17th, 2013 at 7:39 pm
Ryan is a walkin talkin liar and nothing has changed or will change.
Eric London
Feb. 17th, 2013 at 8:09 pm
Sometimes this blog raises interesting questions, but generally it overstates its case and is serious need of a good editor. (I charge $50 per hour.) I still trust the mainstream media more than this site.
motorfingaz
Feb. 17th, 2013 at 8:42 pm
Wasn’t this clown and everything he stands for just get rejected by the American people??
Brwnizofmine
Feb. 17th, 2013 at 8:47 pm
And they continue to have McCain on week after week. That’s why he thinks he owns them.
RailroadMike
Feb. 17th, 2013 at 9:43 pm
Ryan is using the same play book written in 1934 to over throw the government. Look at his policies to weaken our government. It waas called the “Business Plot”.
gsb
Feb. 17th, 2013 at 9:49 pm
I quit watching the sunday shows for the very reason stated above. Couldn’t sit and watch the news people let the republican’s spill all the b.s. they do every Sunday.Thought to myself, who is paying you off?
Finally people like Rachal came on, but, the Repub’s are very afraid to be on her show. Says a lot doesn’t it? Truth is like h2o on fire.
Sandreas
Feb. 17th, 2013 at 11:54 pm
Hopefully i am not going to sound like a political pundit but to be honest the game has been played so long i belive the MSM are not able to see what is going on, honestly they can ask a few questions and put the politicians on the back foor but when it comes to taking that final blow, to ask the politicians the really hard questions i just do not think they have the guts, Who has this power over them that they are afraid to just ask questions, who is stopping them from attacking the lies and bringing it out for all to see. Are they afraid the right wing will revolt, well that would be a good news story would it not, are they afraid they will lose viewers?
I honestly think if they were worried about the amount of people ignoring the MSM and turning to the internet for their news they they would be coming out very strongly about the lies from both sides, attacking Obama for his lies and not following his own promises, and not doing what he has said over and over he wants to do, and calling the republicans out for their total contempt for the truth.
Victoria Lamb, MSHA
Feb. 19th, 2013 at 10:18 am
Do you mean President Obama?
Suzanne Longo
Feb. 18th, 2013 at 12:46 pm
Whatever happened to the “Job Creators?” They have been missing since the election. Someone should go find them.
djchefron(Moderator)
Feb. 18th, 2013 at 12:55 pm
Go to th souhthern tip of Florida,ask Fidel can you fly over Cuban airspace and about 300 or so miles you land in Grand Cayman.Maybe you will see the mittens counting his tax free money.
dan
Feb. 18th, 2013 at 5:38 pm
JOHN MCCAIN: I’m asking you, do you care- I- I’m- I’m asking you, do you care whether four Americans died? Or do you- the reasons for that? And- and shouldn’t pe- people be held accountable for the fact that four Americans died-
I’m asking you, do you care – I’m asking you, do you care that 60 Americans died under our previous administration’s watch? And shouldn’t people be held accountable for the fact that 60 Americans died under the Bush Administration?
djchefron(Moderator)
Feb. 18th, 2013 at 5:41 pm
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