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Unhinged Republicans Completely Abandon Reality With Latest Sequester Lies
There are occasions that a person relates a story that is purely imaginary, or seemingly so remarkable as to elicit disbelief that one may question the person’s sanity, or if they are fabricating facts why they are averse to veracity. The problem with people who manufacture facts is that after one or two times being exposed as out-of-touch with reality, or after being caught lying repeatedly, is that even sympathetic folks tend to disbelieve anything the person says. Republicans and their punditry have finally gone so far off the rails to avoid any responsibility for the sequester that they are blatantly lying and revising the historical record of the past four years. Either conservatives have abandoned reality, or have just awoken from a four-year coma, because the statements they are making about President Obama are nothing short of insane, and thoroughly false.
Some well-known conservative pundits joined Republicans impugning the President’s handling of the GOP’s push for the sequester cuts to be implemented, and picked up where John Boehner left off in his desperation attempt to blame the sequester on the President. Yesterday, conservatives lashed out at the President and accused him of not reaching out to Republicans in a spirit of compromise, and that he has offered absolutely nothing in the way of a proposal to address the sequester problem or any issue throughout his first term.
Jennifer Rubin disparaged President Obama as being nothing like conservative god Ronald Reagan, and said, “Greatness comes not in lacerating your opponents but by enlisting them, something the president has been entirely incapable of doing. He has achieved virtually nothing on a bipartisan basis.” David Brooks, an allegedly moderate conservative said, “The president identifies a problem. Then he declines to come up with a proposal to address the problem. Then he comes up with a vague-but-politically-convenient concept that doesn’t address the problem. The president hasn’t actually come up with a proposal to avert sequestration;” except that the President submitted a detailed plan that required concessions from Democrats and Republicans including spending cuts and new revenue. Ron Fournier, explained that if the President were truly interested in compromise, he would exhibit true leadership and make “tough choices that would anger his liberal base far more than the president is doing now; imposing sacrifice on all voters, including the middle class; and risking his high approval ratings. The first thing that comes to mind is that an all-spending-cuts solution is not out of the question. Indeed, it’s what Obama and the country are going to get if a deal is not reached March 1.”
Fournier, unknowingly explained the Republicans’ position throughout President Obama’s first term, and it is they will hold any issue hostage until they get what they want without giving any concessions. Greg Sargent asked, “Is there anything the president could do that would get more cooperation from Republicans, aside from giving them everything they want?” The answer, and Fournier’s remedy, like all conservatives, is that the only course of action for the President is a distorted sense of compromise entailing sheer obedience to Republicans’ agenda, because one way or another, it is what the country is going to get.
First, it is stunning that conservatives have devised this parallel universe where Republicans were open to compromise, or willing to approach any issue over the past four years in a spirit of bipartisanship or cooperation for the good of the country. Perhaps they forgot that on Inauguration night 2009, Republicans conspired to obstruct any proposal from the President, and followed through throughout his entire first term including jeopardizing the full faith and credit of the United States, and earned America its first credit downgrade in history. Still, the GOP has remained resolute that unless they are granted carte blanche to impose drastic cuts to entitlements, safety nets, and domestic programs, they will cause a credit default, crash the economy, or allow sequester cuts to protect tax increases on the rich or close tax loopholes that benefit the rich and corporations. In fact, Eric Cantor said “We are faced with the negative effects of the sequester because Democrats have not been able to take even the smallest step towards controlling spending.” Pure fantasy, and totally false.
President Obama has already accepted more than $1.2 trillion in spending cuts and over $2.4 trillion in debt reduction. The deficit has been cut in half over four years; the President’s plan includes an additional $600 billion as a compromise to avoid the sequester. The debt has fallen faster than any time since the demobilization after World War II, and it caused a slowdown in GDP growth in the fourth quarter of 2012. However, it is not enough for Republicans who continue trumpeting their sequester replacement cuts in the House during the 112th Congress, and will not be satisfied until they privatize Medicare, eliminate food stamps for over a million working poor, cut school lunches, and slash Social Security. All the while, they are standing firm and willing to crash the economy in their rejection of any new revenue the American people overwhelmingly agree must be part of any debt, sequester, or deficit reduction plan. The type of plan, by the way, the President has proposed and promoted for the past four years and Republicans rejected on principle and pain of economic downturn.
The conservatives are living in fantasy land if they believe for a minute there is anything President Obama can do to “encourage” Republicans to compromise or work for the benefit of the nation’s economic health. It is important to remember, that throughout the President’s first term he was reviled by the left for caving to Republicans as he attempted to prevent a credit default or get any benefit for the people such as unemployment benefit extensions, payroll tax cuts, middle class tax cuts, and drastically necessary things like disaster relief. Republicans’ consternation now is the President is finished conceding every issue without compromise and it flummoxes conservatives that the American people are behind the President’s agenda and re-elected him with the expectation that he follow through on his promises.
Still, the President has given Republicans a plan and John Boehner said the President should pressure Senate Democrats to offer a sequester replacement plan after they offered one up. House Democrats and the Progressive Caucus also submitted replacement plans and Republicans are on hiatus complaining the President is not pushing Senate Democrats to make a replacement offer. Republicans, and their punditry, are making assertions and statements that are so far out of the realm of reality that one might think they are either insane, or pathological liars. Considering that they read the news, are contacted by the President, and actually see proposals from Democrats, they are not insane or living in a fantasy; just totally unhinged and rank liars.
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Anne
Feb. 23rd, 2013 at 9:29 am
The GOP has been unhinged from reality for a long time. The only difference this time is in the degree of denial and self-deception they’re engaging in at this time in spite of a historical records that contradicts their lies. The fool who made the comment that the president should work with the Congressional Republicans rather than “lacerate” them must have been sleeping through the last 4 years. That’s because the president DID try to work with them, but because they wanted him to fail they had no intention of doing so. The sad thing is that so many of those in this country encouraging the craziness of the Republicans in Congress will be negatively impacted along with many who voted AGAINST Republican politicians if these crazies have their way.
Sharin Khosa
Feb. 23rd, 2013 at 9:36 am
Jennifer Rubin and David Brooks owe President Obama an apology.
Shiva(Moderator)
Feb. 23rd, 2013 at 9:45 am
“tough choices that would anger his liberal base ”
Hmmm, really?
Why are the republicans not looking into the Progressive plan instead of whining the Dems and the pres are doing nothing?
Becuase they think they are going to get away with this
Reynardine
Feb. 23rd, 2013 at 10:26 am
I’ve said it before: DARVO (Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim and Offender). It’s the favorite tactic of every abuser and oppressor.
j
Feb. 23rd, 2013 at 10:31 am
If the rethugs are saying this is the president’s plan (the sequester) we know they will cancel it because they do nothing that the president has planned – do they?
buckeyewill
Feb. 23rd, 2013 at 10:32 am
Lying liars who claim to believe in “moral values” get caught again.
So sad.
TigerLily
Feb. 23rd, 2013 at 12:47 pm
“I’ve said it before: DARVO (Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim and Offender). It’s the favorite tactic of every abuser and oppressor”>>>AND EVERY REPUBLICAN!!
Sugapea
Feb. 23rd, 2013 at 12:50 pm
America will finally see: There are only two things Sacred to the GOP, Tax Breaks for their wealthiest friends and Government Subsidies for Corporate America.
Sequestration Poll: Republicans Will Be Blamed!
“Only 31 percent would blame President Barack Obama, according to the Pew Research Center/USA Today poll, while 49 percent would blame the congressional GOP.
djchefron(Moderator)
Feb. 23rd, 2013 at 1:02 pm
And that 31% would blame the President for Hurricanes.Wait,my bad they did
Rush Limbaugh Claims Hurricane Is an Obama Conspiracy to Cancel GOP Convention
www.politicususa.com/rush...
Doris ~
Feb. 23rd, 2013 at 1:12 pm
The teathugs are the SLY,SLICK & WICKED and are he// bent on obstructing & holding this country hostage,are they really Americans or aliens from another planet,seems to me they are trying to bring this country down with plutocracy in mind because they care nothing about the 98%,only the rich big boys who are led by the Koch monsters with our only solution,OUST THE TGOP less,we are doomed.
Morgan M of Maine
Feb. 23rd, 2013 at 1:41 pm
Let this be a lesson to us all – never fall asleep again! Pay attention to the news, even when it is disturbing. Pass this around.
j
Feb. 23rd, 2013 at 1:50 pm
If we allow the rethugs to go ahead with all the fracking and pipelines across the country we will look like China who have approx 400 ‘cancer villages’
caused by corporations leaving poisons and toxic waste throughout the country.
KarenJ
Feb. 23rd, 2013 at 2:52 pm
You’re right. Eric Cantor’s statements on the sequester were judged a “flip-flop” by Politifact.com (evidently a subset of “false”).
www.politifact.com/virgin...
gsb
Feb. 23rd, 2013 at 3:06 pm
Some times I wish there were a hope so button .
djchefron(Moderator)
Feb. 23rd, 2013 at 8:53 pm
Oops!You dont say Paul Ryan
Paul Ryan on Sequestration
www.youtube.com/watch?fea...!
Jeff R
Feb. 23rd, 2013 at 10:01 pm
This line in the story caught my eye – “if they are fabricating facts” – because it assumes that facts can be fabricated. I disagree.
It saddens me that someone would include the idea that reality, which is what facts are, can be fabricated in a story pointing out the some else has become detached from reality.
Perhaps it was only poor writing and what the author meant to say was… “if they are fabricating lies that they plan to pretend are facts
Shiva(Moderator)
Feb. 23rd, 2013 at 10:07 pm
No, reality is the facts as YOU see them. Another persons reality may not be your reality(and usually isnt). If you see something differenbtly you can always assume the reality was fabricated
charlie
Feb. 24th, 2013 at 2:17 pm
Rudy Gonzales
Feb. 23rd, 2013 at 11:58 pm
TEA-quest-traitors are not in control of the presidency and are losing more and more clout by their words and actions last election cycle. Ditch Mitch and his conies will take the nation down and try to blame Obama.
( www.youtube.com/watch?v=N... )
Career politicians like McConnell, John Cornyn, Eric Cantor and john Boehner should be the first ousted from office because they haven’t done any work on jobs for America and protect the top 2%’s tax bracket.
Getting rid of tax loopholes and deductions which have benefited those with money and influence should be the first action of this 113th Congress. Get registered, vote, and get out the vote! We well know the truth of the concentration of wealth in the hands of fewer and fewer people and the concentration of power in stricter, less compassionate hands. “Sweep your state Capital CLEAN….in 2014″ “Sweep the House CLEAN….in 2014″ “Sweep the Senate CLEAN….in 2014″
labman57
Feb. 24th, 2013 at 10:15 am
The GOP has it all figured out.
If Obama does not intervene in Congressional stagnation, then they’ll declare that he is ineffectual and lacking leadership.
If instead, Obama opts to assert his executive authority to make things happen, then they’ll decry his actions as those of a tyrant.
In other words, they’re relying on their standard intellectually lazy and largely disingenuous talking points — they’ll damn him if he does, and they’ll damn him if he doesn’t.
dave john
Feb. 24th, 2013 at 11:03 am
All this gibberish from a website selling “4 more year” coffee cups and we’re supposed to believe you? How about that quote where the president defends the sequester while campaigning? That not enough hard evidence for you zealots? Please…dems lie and lie again. Tax the rich is the only policy Oblama has EVER had.
Shiva(Moderator)
Feb. 24th, 2013 at 11:51 am
Obviously you get your info from the wrong sources. But thats alright, stay dumb.
djchefron(Moderator)
Feb. 26th, 2013 at 1:09 pm
And you call yourself a Pastor?A pastor of bovine excrement if anything.First you come on here with something turd blossom put out.Second that meme has been debunked so much I am tired of doing it.Read the budget control act the reason for the sequester and say 5 hail Mary’s for your deceitfulness.
Pastor Gary
Feb. 26th, 2013 at 2:25 pm
Debunked it how?
The facts are that the White House proposed the sequester and if you can’t trust that liberal rag the Washington Post and the great man that exposed (Bob Woodward) Nixon’s abuses, who can you trust?
Shiva(Moderator)
Feb. 26th, 2013 at 3:17 pm
Ok, the WH proposed the sequestor./ Who voted for it and made it law, and then said they got 98% of everything they wanted in the deal?
Pastor Gary
Feb. 26th, 2013 at 5:13 pm
>>Who voted for it and made it law
I suppose the answer that you want to hear is that it was the Republicans who voted for it, but here’s a reality check.
The House passed the Budget Control Act on August 1, 2011 by a vote of 269–161. 174 Republicans and 95 Democrats voted for it, while 66 Republicans and 95 Democrats voted against it. Yep, that was the Republicans…
As for the Senate, they passed the Act on August 2, 2011 by a vote of 74–26. 6 Democrats and 19 Republicans voted against it. Yep, that was the Democrats…
So I guess you could say that it was a bipartisan vote, with both parties equally at fault.
But remember, it was still only a bill then. It took President Obama’s signature to make it law. Yep that was the Democrats again…
So to answer your question, both parties voted for it, and the President who gave it the force of law.
So, who’s to blame here???
djchefron(Moderator)
Feb. 26th, 2013 at 5:35 pm
Why oh why SMDH I will try to explain it again.Both parties voted for it to avert a global financial crisis..There was no ifs ands or buts the debt has to be payed.As part of the deal they put in place the sequester for deficit reduction.The republicans walked out of the deal that they signed,the Simpson /Bolwes commission.Remember I got 98% of what I wanted,that was Boehner and the republicans gloating how they won.How do I know this.Because we on the left went ballistic at each other saying the President caved.Now that the day has arvived there is a lot of revisionist history and trying to place blame.You want to place blame. Blame your side in their kamikaze attempt to protect the rich at all cost.If their ability to get tax write offs for their playthings like private jets and 100 ft.yachts is holding this up then there really is no debt or deficit crises.
And before you say we have to cut. We already cut 1.7 trillion.Its not trickle down economics that the right loves.Its I shit on your granny grave and piss on your kids future economics.
Shiva(Moderator)
Feb. 26th, 2013 at 5:55 pm
The republicans passed the sequestor. Thats all there is to it. And said they got 98% of everything they wanted
Or should we take your word for it and assume the republicans were not involved?
djchefron(Moderator)
Feb. 26th, 2013 at 6:16 pm
Damn ,that right wing decoder ring must have went off because the same script just different people ,I think
djchefron(Moderator)
Feb. 26th, 2013 at 3:44 pm
The reason it has been debunked is the bobby failed to give you the reason why it was proposed.So I will give you the cliff notes
2011 1. the dept ceiling has to be raised
2,republicans refused to raise it
3.they come to an agreement
4.as part of said agreement they agree to a joint commission to enact deficit reduction if no agreement the sequester kicks in
5.the joint commission aka Simpson bowles come to an agreement
6.republicans walk out of the cat food commission aka Simpson/bowles
7.fast forward to fiscal cliff part deux republicans released the hostage and signed a agreement to not cause world wide disaster but retain the right for future hostage taking
8.Still no deficit reduction plan ,repubs vow never to give in to that rascally President again.
9.Tick tock tick tock come Friday the sequester goes off
10.Which bobby in a fit of I’m the man, why wont anyone talk to me. Writes its Barrys fault NAH NAH How you like me now.People like you who cant remember what they ate yesterday laps it up, running for all to hear see see we told you.Sane Americans who knows how we got to this point yawns and say to the orange one get your inmates in order or pay the ultimate price.
Any questions
Pastor Gary
Feb. 26th, 2013 at 4:53 pm
>>1. the dept ceiling has to be raised
No it doesn’t, we could always default. I have to live within a budget, why not the Federal Government?
>>2,republicans refused to raise it
Yep, rightly so!
>>3.they come to an agreement
Yep, even the Repubs have no principles.
>>4.as part of said agreement they agree to a >>joint commission to enact deficit reduction if >>no agreement the sequester kicks in
>>5.the joint commission aka Simpson bowles come >>to an agreement
>>6.republicans walk out of the cat food >>commission aka Simpson/bowles
Yep again, no real spending cuts, no real change, I’d walk out too.
>>7.fast forward to fiscal cliff part deux >>republicans released the hostage and signed a >>agreement to not cause world wide disaster but >>retain the right of future hostage taking
>>8.Still no deficit reduction plan ,repubs vow >>never to give in to that rascally President >>again.
Sounds like a plan to me.
>>9.Tick tock tick tock come Friday the sequester >>goes off
Sure enough. And not enough cuts at that.
I say cut defense, cut entitlements, cut everything and let’s get this spending under control, before it’s too late!
>>Any questions
Yes I do have one question, when President Obama said in the third presidential debate that the sequester “…is something that Congress has proposed,” he wasn’t lying and Bob Woodward is???
djchefron(Moderator)
Feb. 26th, 2013 at 5:12 pm
After reading your first sentence I read no further.You sir don’t have fracking clue.Let me refresh your super duper teabagging memory
Amendment XIV
Section 4.
The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any state shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.
Pull your head out of faux ass and learn
THATS THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES THAT YOU CLAIM YOU LOVE
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Pastor Gary
Feb. 26th, 2013 at 5:35 pm
My “faux ass”??? What’s that???
And why do you call me a “teabagger”???
The truth of the matter is that the President didn’t need Congress to raise the debt ceiling, since as you so aptly pointed out the debt ceiling is unconstitutional. Remember, the XVI Amendment, Section 4, “public debt…shall not be questioned”.
So what’s the real reason the President wanted the sequester??? He obviously didn’t require it to get the debt ceiling raised back in 2011.
FYI – A little history on Section 4 of the XVI Amendment. It’s only purpose was so that Washington D.C. did not have to pay the debts of the now rejoined members of the Union; the rebel southern states.
Which by the way refused to ratify it, so Washington D.C. dissolved their state governments using the Reconstruction Acts, until such time as state governments could be established that would ratify the 14th Amendment.
Shiva(Moderator)
Feb. 26th, 2013 at 5:48 pm
If its unconstitutional then why is it in place? Are you saying all the kings men didnt know it was unconstitutional? It is in place and in practice. The president can raise the debt ceiling all he wants, it doesnt mean the tea baggers will go along with the payments.
The sequester was put in place to get the debt ceiling raised, get some cuts in place and raise some revenues. It was a ploy to get 2 sides to get together and make a deal. No one “wanted” the sequester until now, the tea thugs want it.
You already know this, whats the long speech for?