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As Usual EmoProgs Overreact because they Don’t Understand Negotiating and Governing
Most parents have had the unpleasant task of dealing with a child who anticipates an outcome unhinged from reality, such as expecting a brand new Ferrari for their birthday, and depending how detached from the truth about their family’s financial situation the child is, their disappointment is nearly always founded in ignorance and fantasy. When human beings have a deluded expectation of what is considered most likely to happen, or a belief that is centered on the future that may not be realistic, an unwanted result gives rise to the emotion of disappointment. For the past week, there has been no dearth of disappointment and outrage from liberals, progressives, and Democrats who are furious with President Obama for his third fiscal cliff proposal, and their disappointment has its basis ignorance of the negotiation and governing process as well as the nature of democracy.
Early in 2010, left-leaning malcontents (EmoProgs) spent no small amount of time complaining that President Obama failed to wave his dictator’s scepter and issue edicts suspending the Constitution and giving himself unlimited power to impose liberal policies and agendas without regard for the legislative process. The problem in 2010 was that the President’s biggest critics on the left slept through government class and missed the Constitutionally-assigned powers of the three branches of government, and that as head of the Executive branch, the President’s power is limited informing that negotiation and compromise are necessary to govern a nation with varying points of view. What is uncertain, is whether or not the so-called professional left has the slightest comprehension that Americans’ political leanings cover a broad spectrum of positions, or that every man, woman, and child in America is not a hardcore liberal just because a Democrat was elected president.
A little over a month after the President won a second term, the same people are lashing out at him for proposing, as part of the fiscal cliff negotiation offers and counteroffers, Social Security cost-of-living adjustments using a process called “chained CPI” to calculate increases in Social Security benefits. Immediately following the President’s offer, the left lit up with outrage and accusations of betrayal and sell-out that led one to think he had eliminated Social Security altogether and condemned millions of retired Americans to an early death. It is good there is such a protective attitude toward maintaining Social Security and defending the elderly, but it may have been prudent to consider what it takes to negotiate a compromise with recalcitrant Republicans, and where the President came up with the idea of “chained CPI” in the first place. It turns out, switching Social Security cost of living increases to chained CPI was not only a good negotiating point, but it strengthens Social Security over the long haul.
In a paper titled “Building It Up, Not Tearing It Down” A Progressive Approach to Strengthening Social Security by Christian E. Weller published in December 2010, the Center for American Progress (CAP) made the same proposal as the President. For the uninitiated, CAP is certainly not a conservative organization, and on page 44 of their report they outlined the benefits of strengthening the Social Security Trust by adjusting the cost of living (and all government accounting) to a “chained CPI” because it is a more accurate measure of inflation, and increases the base benefits of low income Americans. President Obama put conditions and safeguards in his proposal to protect seniors near poverty as well as safeguards to guarantee no person collecting Social Security will live in poverty. In fact, Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi was asked whether she considered chained CPI a cut in benefits and she answered, “No. I don’t. I consider it strengthening of Social Security” which is precisely what the Center for Budget and Policy Priorities and CAP said in endorsing the President’s fiscal cliff offer. Chained CPI is not a benefit cut, because benefits are determined by a workers lifetime earnings, and at best the President made a small concession to get Republicans on board to prevent the economy from going over the fiscal cliff. For angry liberals, it is important they learn that compromise as a negotiating tactic is how democracy works.
The other issue that seemed to set the left on fire was the President’s compromise of $400,000 as the cutoff point for maintaining Bush-era tax cuts that admittedly is higher than his $250,000 figure during the campaign. Critics accused the President of caving to Republicans, but not only did he meet the GOP half way, his number is $100,000 less than is suggested by Center for American Progress in their December 2012 “Reforming Our Tax System, Reducing Our Deficit” proposal for deficit reduction and fiscal health of the nation. It bears repeating that CAP is the polar opposite of the Heritage Foundation or any conservative think tank, and they are the experts in Progressive matters.
It is unclear why so many on the left are fickle in supporting this President, or why they lack rudimentary understanding of negotiations, compromise, and good governance. One might be tempted to believe that in the excitement of just having avoided America’s death knell at the hand of a Romney victory, or a winner’s confidence that the entire nation would embrace any Progressive edict issuing forth from a victorious President Obama, but it is simpler than that. The anger and opposition to the man they just helped elect is founded not in reality, but an imaginary belief that America is a far-left nation panting for a progressive government and the end of the Republican Party. However great the President’s re-election was, Republicans still exist, they are in control of the House and the nation’s purse strings, and 47% of voters supported Romney’s presidency. One thing President Obama understands that many on the left cannot is that Americans are politically diverse and that to garner support to govern efficiently, the President must make compromises in order to negotiate or the country would come to a screeching halt.
What is evident is that many on the left labor under the same misconception as Republicans that governing is unilateral, and failure to make concessions for the country is what has led to the dysfunction in Washington. Perhaps the President’s left-leaning critics are unaware the Republicans control the House of Representatives, or that they control appropriations for the entire country. However, it is more likely that the critics were never the President’s supporters after all, and one would think they would recall the horrific results of the 2010 midterms and year-long criticism by EmoProgs and liberal talking heads like MSNBC’s Ed Schultz who encouraged his audience to “sit out” the 2010 midterms to show their disapproval of the President and Democrats for not enacting their favorite policy whether it was single payer healthcare or multi-colored Unicorns in every home.
This President’s success at reviving the economy and winning re-election was based on his ability to govern from the center, and understanding that without compromise the entire country suffers. When the President accepted a two-year extension of Bush tax cuts for all income earners including the very wealthy, many on the left went berserk, but they ignored the benefits of tax cuts for every American, unemployment insurance extensions, and a payroll tax holiday that helped save the economy and assist struggling families. The President’s latest offer to Republicans to avoid the fiscal cliff is a similar situation, and yet, instead of giving him support regardless a small concession, he has been labeled a traitor, backstabber, and myriad other labels typical of a spoiled and petulant child who did not get the shiny new Ferrari, or unicorn, they were certain their parents would give them. It is time for angry liberals and EmoProgs to take a lesson from the President who, no doubt, would love to be king of America and pursue a unilateral Progressive agenda, but he is aware that Americans occupy opposing ends of the political and ideological spectrum, and that to get anything accomplished, negotiation and compromise are as critical as well-laid plans. It is distressing that before his second term even begins, he is being lambasted by his so-called base for offering a Progressive policy they misidentified as caving.
Compromise is a difficult concept for ideologues regardless of their political leanings, and for the past four years Republicans have given the nation a good look at what failure to compromise does to governing, and the people. One expects Republicans to complain loudly when they do not get their way, but after the 2010 midterm debacle, it was certainly not expected the left would finish up the President’s term the way they started, or would lash out before learning what, and where, the President’s propositions came from. However, that is precisely what happens when a person has high expectations based on fantasy and ideology, and after watching the devastating effects to the country from Republicans’ ideological rejection of compromise, it is disappointing to see some liberals falling into the same trap. Maybe instead of adhering to an ideology of no compromise that will never succeed in a diverse democracy, those on the left can support this President because he has proven time and time again that not only does he negotiate from a position of strength, he has succeeded in saving this country’s economy and is working for every American; conservatives and liberals.
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djchefron
Dec. 22nd, 2012 at 10:12 pm
I would tell why they are so fickle but why do it.So instead of calling them the loony left I will called them emoprogs.I apologize for calling people the wrong moniker.
Kori
Dec. 22nd, 2012 at 11:19 pm
A-freaking-men! I’ve only been following this political stuff online since after the election and I’ve already had it with the whiners, on both sides. They suffer from the same syndrome, though those on the far left somehow think they’re smarter than your average tea partier. They too have their issues with being confronted with facts from policy experts like CAP and CBPP.
T. Powers
Dec. 23rd, 2012 at 12:30 pm
That might be because anybody less intelligent than the prototype Tea Party member, being in a persistent vegetative state, is on life support.
Chris
Dec. 22nd, 2012 at 11:20 pm
I hope they can agree soon.
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Buck
Dec. 22nd, 2012 at 11:25 pm
My sentiments, exactly. Bravo Rmuse!!!
Deborah Foster
Dec. 22nd, 2012 at 11:30 pm
1. I think its immature to name-call, particularly other progressives. Would you like it if people walked around calling you a ObsequiousProg?
2. The majority of the people I knew who were very upset about Social Security being put on the table worked their ass off for the President (from unions to AARP, including me) and were not members of some Professional Left. They were not “the same people” who didn’t vote in 2010. In fact, the spectrum of people upset with Social Security being put on the table was deep and wide and touched supporters who have had his back for years. This holier-than-thou, I’m a better-ass-kisser-than-you stance really comes off snide, nasty, and pedantic.
3. The proposal was for a CUT of $150 billion to Social Security over 10 yrs regardless of how you want to parse it, what you try to call it, how you try to dress it up, or what *two* liberal think tanks offer up (plenty of others oppose it: e.g. bit.ly/12exITD or bit.ly/vJbpRQ). This is what chained CPI does to allegedly strengthen Social Security: at age 75, your grandparents get a cut of $653 from their check, at age 85, a cut of $1138, and at age 95, a cut of $1611: bit.ly/U4kfYi
4. Social Security adds NOTHING, NOTHING to the deficit. He could easily have extended an offer, and been a master negotiator, that did not include touching it AS was promised during the campaign. Since Boehner wasn’t going to accept his offer anyway, as expert progressive negotiators bleat, why bother including it at all? The tax and spending cuts were sufficient. I believe Joe Biden most forcefully said, “NO CUTS,” if memories haven’t faded from heady fumes of “I’m an expert at negotiation, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah.”
5. This “right wing,” full spectrum country does not want cuts to Social Security. Apparently, 62% of Americans are petulant EmoProgs: bit.ly/Ucocc8
6. I’m sure you’re aware there are people on Social Security already living in poverty.
Churchlady
Dec. 23rd, 2012 at 1:15 am
At today’s COLA rates, Congress approved NO COLA for two years to ALL seniors, no matter how poor. Obama is determined that won’t happen.
Cost of living via the Consumer Price Index can also RISE – it could, via inflation, require us to be sure the COLA is much HIGHER than now. What might happen with Chained CPI is indeed a smaller INCREASE, but it is not a CUT – the amount most people get is around $1200 per month. That would never change since it’s based on earnings. But it does not take the Chained CPI to either raise or lower COLAs. That remains a policy decision in Congress. It is just one way of calculating whether inflation is growing or not.
By insisting Chained CPI would produce a cut, and actually neither article provided an ounce of data, you have a polemical stance.
One way to view it as a dedicated progressive is that Chained CPI is good stewardship over our resources. If we slow some of the growth because the Consumer Price Index is NOT going up, we make better use of the money and assure that seniors will have a solid Social Security income. If that means a bit smaller per month INCREASE that is not a cut but solid assessment of resources.
If you assert it’s a cut, then you are buying Bagger analysis – they claim slowing the defense budget growth – GROWTH – is also a cut. Can’t have it both ways.
And at this moment, after Boehner tanked getting anything passed, the entire issue and everything else is now officially OFF the table anyway. All that the president will do is demand retention of tax cuts for the 98%, tax INCREASES for the 2 percent, and extension of unemployment.
Now go back to CBPP.org and to CAP.org and take a look at their assessments. Good stewardship is protecting seniors now and into the future.
BTW – Medicare just dropped its premium for Part B by $16 per month – more than the COLA. And dozens of medical procedures are now FREE saving $5-10 per visit. Just saying…
djchefron
Dec. 23rd, 2012 at 1:27 am
There you go again with those silly facts.Oh BTW if the President had only fought harder we could’ve had single payer and nobody would have to pay anything.
Deborah Foster
Dec. 23rd, 2012 at 1:36 am
I’m going to ask you to just think. Seriously. Think. The total promised “savings” to Social Security for 10 years is `$150 billion. In other words, $150 billion dollars are cut from spending on Social Security. And perhaps you need to follow my links to liberal think tanks that argue effectively AGAINST it before getting all high and mighty.
Churchlady
Dec. 23rd, 2012 at 11:41 am
Deborah – I did read the articles. There is no “there there”. No facts only hype. YOU follow both my discussion and CBPP and CAP and learn something. This is not about you – it’s about rational logic and understanding. You have little acumen in policy which is totally clear, and yet you appear to think that because you say something we should bow down to it. Sorry – “free to be you and me” isn’t working in the adult world. You are NOT given an award for generalizations without substance. Facts matter.
And more to the point, Chained CPI is now off the table since it was a lure to get Boehner and the GOP to agree to something they’d already said they supported. So get over yourself and move on.
Deborah Foster
Dec. 23rd, 2012 at 12:10 pm
Hilarious! I *taught* social policy analysis at the University of Michigan and Washington University in St. Louis to graduate students for four years and three years respectively. In reality, you are being a huge know-it-all, and simultaneous saying that you know more than the think tank run by Nobel Prize winning economist Joseph Stiglitz. If anyone needs to get over herself, I think you need to find a mirror.
Incidentally, it fits a pattern. You commented on my article about the case for birth control being covered by Obamacare even when employers whine it goes against their religious beliefs. It was a snide comment about how the case I made was the wrong one. So far, every judge that has upheld it has used *exactly* the same argument I did and nothing remotely like yours. Perhaps you need to get off your high horse.
Deborah Foster
Dec. 23rd, 2012 at 2:03 am
I guess you didn’t know that those little numbers coming at the end of sentences in an article are called footnotes. When you follow them, they take you to other sources where you can go to locate additional data referenced in the article.
Churchlady
Dec. 23rd, 2012 at 11:45 am
Since I write policy articles, use footnotes extensively, and have published over 200 peer reviewed articles and three books, I think I do not need you to be such a brat. I will retaliate – if you could learn to evaluate instead of accepting things on face value, you might actually become an adult with something to say.
Michael Fox
Dec. 23rd, 2012 at 12:41 am
Sorry Rmuse, while I often appreciate your writing, I can’t disagree more with your characterization of the left being “emotional” on this issues.
It’s simply called starting your negotiations from a position of power and authority, and recognizing that you have history on your side if you ask for MUCH more than Obama and most of congress are willing to present as a starting point.
We have historical precedent to role taxes on the top bracket back to 1944 levels… or 94%! We’re in much the same position vis-a-vis the “war” that we’re trying to wind down and eventually pay for as we were then. OK, too harsh? We’ll make it 91% — like it was in 1946. Still too stiff? Fine, 1941 levels — 81% for the wealthiest, but the bottom gets to stay at 10%, just like in 1941 and today.
Notice we haven’t even touched cuts to social security in any form? Not even on the table.
Not emotional, just aware of history, and advocating for the regular working stiff and the poor, not beholden to billionaires.
djchefron
Dec. 23rd, 2012 at 1:13 am
See, thats why, for myself I shake my head.In what reality will you see top rates at 81%?When I hear “progressives” talk like that I give the side eye and tell myself move along.
Churchlady
Dec. 23rd, 2012 at 1:28 am
Michael – the Emotional part is the absolute insistence that a slower growth is a cut. Refusal to read anything but the ‘hair on fire’ rants and to discuss the pros and cons of Chained CPI is what is making policy analysts among us totally exasperated.
Maybe this is NOT the best way to assess inflation and increases in the cost of living, but it was examined as a way of being honorable in accounting for our resources. WE need to discuss it. There is nothing progressive about wasting money.
Using the Chained CPI also does NOT mean slower growth of COLAs – if inflation heats up, and it certainly could, then the COLA will be larger than it now is.
I was trying to reassure someone on Twitter whom I have liked, and he got so vile he threatened to block me just for discussing this. So I blocked HIM. Not because he disagreed but because he was so Bagger about refusing to talk and threatening me. THAT is the EMO part of EmoProgs, and it’s damned well PAST time for all of us on the Left to freaking grow up.
The reason we are not progressive as a nation is precisely this foot stamping, huffing and puffing from the very people who should be the most articulate but who are knee jerk about issues. The Progressive Caucus in Congress is 14.6% of the whole – that’s laughable. Why? Because the Progressives cannot carry on a conversation any more than the Baggers can. Ideology or die. That gets us absolutely nowhere.
There is a huge gulf between those who read a couple of articles (usually without substance) and those who delve into policy and democratic practice. We on the latter side get called O-bots because we understand what is happening and why, but when we try to share, we are dismissed. Hence – 14.6% of congress. We as a nation don’t like progressives much-even when we ARE progressive. This group is polemical,not progressive, and it’s getting tiresome. If I spend time talking and reasoning, I expect it back. If not,I’m moving on. Period.
Ignia
Dec. 23rd, 2012 at 1:07 am
One front.
Infighting is how the republicans won in 2010.
John Albertini
Dec. 23rd, 2012 at 1:20 am
Negotiate? Did Bush negotiate, NO?
We had an election and we WON!
The Bush policies FAILED, time to reverse them. The GOP needs to get over it.
The cliff is far superior to ending the New Deal and Great Society and if Obama caves AGAIN he will go down in history as the worst President EVER!
His legacy will be the death of the Democratic Party and the end to the American experiment in democracy. The 1% will have won and the people will have lost.
EVERYTHING is in the balance. This is not emotion this is FACT. Obama need to BE the Hope & Change he promised for ONCE & get a backbone!
Anything less and he is just another poppet of the 1%!
Churchlady
Dec. 23rd, 2012 at 1:41 am
Sigh. READ the article, Mr. Albertini. Please.
And then explain your logic will you? Bush did not negotiate. The nation rebelled. So Obama should not negotiate, and the result will be…???
Obama has ended the deliberations. But his favorability ratings are VERY high with the American people who WANT HIM TO KEEP TALKING with the GOP. Why? Because Bush did not negotiate and his policies failed. We don’t WANT a president who acts like a snot.
YOU might want that. You might think that is progressive. But the Progressive Caucus is 14.6% of the Congress. You will have to go a long way to prove to me that the American people generally want what you and I want. They don’t. We have so isolated ourselves as progressives we speak to only one another, not to the corn farmer in Iowa, not to the marginally employed mechanic in Tuscaloosa, not to the blue collar union people anywhere, not to the church going homemaker in Springfield. They don’t trust us because they know we sneer at them. They DO want a president who listens, talks, listens some more then hammers out what is good for the nation, good for the people.
Ideology will never trump sound policy, it can only guide it, and this president has now told the GOP that, despite apparent movement last week, they toppled over the ideological wall once again. We cannot do what the Baggers do. We are better than that.
So thump your chest all you want. All it says to me is that you really DID want an Imperial President, you just wanted him on YOUR side whether or not he got anything done, that you’d rather he FAIL than to discuss what YOU don’t approve of (even though you probably don’t understand it anyway).
Because of this view of yours, the rest of the nation just isn’t that into you. Live with it or think about opening up your own heart and mind to how democracy REALLY works.
Kori
Dec. 23rd, 2012 at 2:38 am
Preach it Churchlady! Like I said, suffering from the same syndrome: always my way or no way.
largo161
Dec. 23rd, 2012 at 12:24 pm
Wow. Churchlady, I am going to copy your response to Mr. Albertini and place in my journal. That was a keeper.
djchefron
Dec. 23rd, 2012 at 1:41 am
So according to you its alright to end working class tax credits and expanded tax credits.
The earned income tax credit would be reduced for larger families and married couples with low income.
Elimination of the 10% income tax bracket, instantly increasing their tax rate by 50% (to the 15% marginal rate). That means individuals making less than roughly $9,000 a year will pay an extra $450 in federal income taxes, and couples making less than roughly $18,000 will pay an extra $900.
Theres more like unemployment benefits,head start to name a few.Thats one view but check this link out and then if you are still willing, over the top we shall go for the good fight.
www.washingtonpost.com/bl...
Deborah Foster
Dec. 23rd, 2012 at 1:54 am
Of course, this President has never compromised unnecessarily on a program for the poor:
“This decision by the Administration and Senate Democrats to offer up cuts in TRIO that are larger than those proposed by radical Republicans in the House makes clear that TRIO is not among the core education priorities of the Obama Administration.”
Arnold Mitchem, President of the Council for Opportunity in Education, April 2011
umub.montevallo.edu/?p=56...
People need to quit acting like he never makes mistakes. He has, can, and with this Social Security offer, he did.
Churchlady
Dec. 23rd, 2012 at 11:48 am
That is the most utterly illogical leap from my point to gross generalization that I accept cuts to supports for the poor.
How totally and disgustingly Tea Bagger of you. Grow up.
LTMidnight
Dec. 23rd, 2012 at 10:41 am
“…We had an election and we WON!…”
It depends on what you mean be “we”. America won. The “right to jam liberalism down America’s throat” that you seem to want did not win.
“…The cliff is far superior to ending the New Deal and Great Society and if Obama caves AGAIN he will go down in history as the worst President EVER!…”
It never ceases to amaze me that the far left and the far right all seem to want and hope for Obama failure.
And you seem to be confusion hyperbolic opinions as fact.
Deborah Foster
Dec. 23rd, 2012 at 1:49 am
And since the CBPP is your preferred think tank over the Economic Policy Institute or the think tank most widely associated with protecting Social Security, the Center for Economic and Policy Research, it is interesting to note that they themselves point out that Obama’s offer dramatically pushed cuts over revenue increases: bit.ly/SUVHFO
Deborah Foster
Dec. 23rd, 2012 at 2:54 am
People who thumb down this particular comment are endorsing cutting programs for the poor. Because…?
Apropos as it is, the NY Times just happens to be addressing the very issue of people in poverty never making it to college today: nyti.ms/VWUokt
The one and only program directed at helping the poor to escape poverty via higher education was quietly cut, not by Republicans, but by Obama in his 2011 budget. And it seems there is no shorter of sycophants in this comment thread to give him a pass on it.
Deborah Foster
Dec. 23rd, 2012 at 2:58 am
Why did this go here, I put it under my TRIO comment?
Michael Fox
Dec. 23rd, 2012 at 1:59 am
ChurchL: “There is nothing progressive about wasting money.”
“Wasting” money by putting more money into the hands of the poor depending upon Social Security for existence?
I submit there’s nothing “progressive” about your assertion that supplementing the poor who then in turn spend that money on local small businesses instead of throwing their cash overseas is “wasting”. Even if the CPI supposedly more “accurately” measures cost of living increases, which the jury is still very much out on.
But again, even if we choose a path where we take more from the hands of Wall Street and Corporate tycoons, and put it into the hands of the real “job creators” known as “consumers” the overall economy only wins.
Churchlady
Dec. 23rd, 2012 at 11:55 am
It is imperative we look at everything we spend and spend wisely. READ it again and my comment – using the Chained CPI would potentially RAISE income as COLA’s match inflation and cost of living which, in many periods of my life, have soared out of sight. It does not determine what COLAs people get. They have been eliminated or reduced ALREADY by legislative fiat. Chained CPI does not affect those actions. THAT is where we need to put our advocacy – in front of state and federal legislators who use the essential parts of people’s supports as cash cows for the rich and for defense.
You are so focused on these minute details that you think you can hang on Obama you are totally letting the RW roll over you and those in need at the state level. Even in CA Arnold Schwarzenegger cut COLA distributions to the most needy to balance the budget. THAT is where our outrage should be – and it includes Jerry Brown who is seeking to do the same.
Call out the ACTIONS and get over the obsession with a different way of evaluating the cost of living. That is ALL chained CPI is, and it is no longer on the table now the GOP would not agree to it which they once had. Move on – you’re obsessing on the WRONG THING.
wiley
Dec. 23rd, 2012 at 6:57 am
yep
fedded-up
Dec. 23rd, 2012 at 10:00 am
Hmmm, “chained CPI” sounds an awful lot like a new and improved version of the sadistic crap that’s been going on for decades with the plain old “CPI.” You know, that bastion of level-headed, pragmatic measures of the “true” cost of living for all – the one that conveniently excludes any and all of the true drivers of actual inflation for all? As in the decision to exclude food because it was too ‘volatile’ and ‘subject to external drivers.’ Yes, this was the successful argument that drove this decision. Then, it was oil’s turn – you know, one of the biggest expenditure increases for all – well, THAT was definitely too “volatile” and “subject to external drivers” too. Then, it was housing, back during the housing boom. This is called “fairy tale economics” (alright, yes, I made that up) and has been DECIMATING the poor and lower middle class since its inception.
- Since 2009, corn has more than doubled in price.
- Since 2009, coffee has more than doubled in price.
- Since 2009, oats have more than doubled in price.
- Since 2009, wheat has more than doubled in price.
- Since 2009, pork has more than doubled in price.
- Since 2009, milk has almost doubled in price.
- Since 2009, orange juice has almost tripled in price.
- Since 2008, oil has more than tripled in price.
- Since 2010, rice has risen by more than 40%.
- Since 2009, soybeans have risen by more than 40%.
- Since 2009, butter has risen by more than 40%.
- Since 2009, beef has risen by more than 50%.
And we haven’t even BEGUN to factor in the massive increases yet coming due to the drought of 2012.
Yahoo, good times still to come.
So, when I hear yet ANOTHER Democratic POTUS (yes, Clinton was up to his pointy ears in the CPI ‘magicking’) my blood pressure starts to spike. And when I read an article like this, trying to spank those who think this is (a) unnecessary; (b) unjustified; or (c) f..king barbaric – I start to get mega-p.ssed.
harris stein
Dec. 23rd, 2012 at 11:52 am
The rise in food prices is directly connected to the rise in crude oil and refined fossil fuel prices which the president has no control over. Also government mandates for the use of ethanol produced from agricultural products has contributed to the run up in food prices. The president has some control over this but the goal of reducing crude oil imports from the middle east has overridden any necessity to keep food prices low.
djchefron
Dec. 23rd, 2012 at 1:44 pm
Dont forget one reason people dont want to talk about.Global Warming.As the earth climate change they are more droughts which equals less food.
fedded-up
Dec. 23rd, 2012 at 11:29 pm
No argument from me on anything you just said. Well stated. My point is that none of the causes or whether or not it can be controlled matter. People who are heavily dependent on this very fixed income have been progressively placed on an ever-tightening austerity program since the 1980s, when the first ‘magicking’ of the CPI started. Whoever is in office, whether Rep or Dem, has continued to monkey around with it to try to keep costs in check, while continuing to raid the SS account every flippin year.
It doesn’t matter one iota to the recipient WHY the CPI doesn’t remotely reflect the true rate of inflation – the ONLY thing that matters is that they will have even less money every single month. They make it sound so reasonable – like, we can’t possibly control the cost of oil – that’s controlled by OPEC and the free market shenanigans of Wall Street… Hmmm, yes, true, but THEY are the ones dealing with OPEC and THEY are the ones allowing Wall Street to run amok. I’m pretty sure the SS recipient has less than zero control of any of that. But who is actually paying the price of this lack of control? The person trying to live on Ramen noodles, that’s who.
There hasn’t been a true COL increase in DECADES. This is an utterly shameful gaming of a system that is so rigged, they are holding ALL of the cards with NONE of the risks.
harris stein
Dec. 23rd, 2012 at 12:04 pm
I had to look up the definition of emoprog. Can these people be thought of as left wing trolls? It sounds to me as if they are.
The no comprimise attitude has been a hallmark of our political system since its inception. Not only no comprimise but spread your malignent, twisted pretzel logic until it is the law of the land. Some want to believe this is how governing takes place. You have rabid extremists on both ends of the political spectrum. Unlike the radiated energy spectrum in science which is an infinte straight line system, the political spectrum is circular. Eventually, the extremists at the ends begin to behave the same.
LTMidnight
Dec. 23rd, 2012 at 10:34 am
So we once again see on full display those who freak out first and think later (if ever).
“….Negotiate? Did Bush negotiate, NO? We had an election and we WON!…”
What we have here is a prime example of a “liberal” who had no problem with WHAT Bush did, but rather “WHO he did it FOR”. And all this person could imagine was having a president who jammed liberalism down America’s throat in the same way Bush seemingly did.
President Obama campaigned on sanity not ideology.
Anne
Dec. 23rd, 2012 at 12:15 pm
What some folks fail to realize is that a president has to engage in negotiations. In this case, President Obama had to know going in that any offer he made was going to be rejected by the Party of No. He set a trap for them that they walked right into, and now they don’t have the leverage they once had. They continuously underestimate him, even after they repeatedly end up with egg in their faces as a result. That’s because their prejudice toward this man, which goes beyond just race, is stronger than their perception.
Barbara Christe
Dec. 23rd, 2012 at 1:58 pm
Thank you Thank you Thank you!!!! I spent way too much time on Twitter trying to debunk the posts about the chained CPI. My concern is that Democrats start to fracture between liberals and progressives (or any other label you choose) and we get a left-wing t-party like movement. Please people don’t let this happen. One dysfunctional party in this country is more than enough.
mark frazer
Dec. 23rd, 2012 at 4:14 pm
i get the gist of the article but i also get the gist of those who think obama is not being progressive enough. i do think that part of the situation is the obstructionist repubs/teabaggers. no doubt. but there is much talk about ideology not trumping policy…as though policy is simply pragmatic and ideology does not enter into the choice or discussion.
i get the fear of the rightward shift of this country since the 80s…and i also get that…most americans DO NOT UNDERSTAND ECONOMIC THEORY. so when people try to say that “we are not a progressive country” or “we are not all liberal”, that outburst also misses the point that many of our fellow citizens are severely underinformed. so now e find ourselves in a situation where we must negotiate with false theory or bad theory. theory about economics that will restructure society into a more feudalist model. plain and simple. is economics based in any fact of history? is there an history we can look at to see what is better for the mass of society…or how various policy effect outcomes. this is people of the left are frustrated with what seems a rather pragmatist ethos. that versus the rigid party line of the “free market” worshippers. did obama say anything about raising the cap on social security? does he bring it up all the time like bernie sanders? he doesn’t. and there is a component to his persona that seems to be enthrolled with the idea of a grand bargain. not to mention that many of the libertarian groups harp about drones and the questions of war. so i get the anger. but i also get that…there just is no valid third party option so the dems are it…realistically.
would we still be able to say that it is right for obama to compromise with conservatives if there was no such thing as fox news? is there a point where a real leader must say “NO”? are there libertarian economic theories which have infected the public commons that are part of this obvious slide to the…
kuvik
Dec. 24th, 2012 at 12:29 am
“For angry liberals, it is important they learn that compromise as a negotiating tactic is how democracy works.”
Can you provide a list of the compromises the Republicans have made in their negotiations with the President?
Ronc99
Dec. 24th, 2012 at 1:53 am
I’m with RMuse (great blog, RMuse) & ChurchLady, on this and pretty much EVERY issue. The hair on fire rantings have got to stop. President Obama governs. Something foreign to the GOP and people like Robert Reich, who as Secretary of Labor, served the center-right governing, Bubba Clinton! President Obama is protecting our beloved social programs from a Wall St, who owns pretty much both sides of the aisle in Congress. God Bless him!!!
Sherrill
Dec. 26th, 2012 at 4:20 am
That’s funny, Ron..Do you think we all have forgotten how many times you have been pissed at President? Now all in a sudden you think you are some how above disagreeing and even being angry with the President? I bet your tune would change if it were the President offering to raise the Medicare age or if he decides once “again” to extend ALL Tax Cuts..Don’t preach you never know who might remember your past rants.. ;)
robert Chapman
Dec. 24th, 2012 at 9:25 am
Social Security cost-of-living adjustments using a process called “chained CPI” to calculate increases in Social Security benefits.
EmoProgs aside, there are serious substantive problems with using the chained CPI methodology for the calculation of social security COLAs.
These problems will cause an unjustified reduction in those COLAs and weaken Seniors’ purchasing power.
The problem with the chained CPI is that it minimizes the cost of food, fuel, and medical care in calculating inflation. Those sectors and education are experiencing a high rate of inflation that is understated in our current metodology and would be even more understated using the chained CPI form of measurement.
Inflation for major purchases, cars, homes, appliances and apparel is very low. Housing prices have fallen dramatically, car and appliamce prices are held in check by the wide availability of foreign products, and the sweat shops of the third world produce apparel that is beyond cheap.
Seniors, however do not purchase these items in the same proportions as the general populaiton and due to the fixed budgets they live on, a higher percentage of the income of many seniors goes for food, fuel and medical care. This is especially true of low wage earners whose social security benefits are lower and whose private retirement plans are smaller.
So while inflation rages for the necissities of life, advocates of the chained CPI are essebtuakkt arguing we can decrease COLA’s because the sweat shops of the third world are so efficient at keeping keeping inflation at bay in the apparel sector.
Merry Christmas.