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Voter ID Laws Could Disenfranchise 5 Million and Cost Taxpayers Millions
Republicans across the nation have enacted such sweeping voter ID reforms aimed at the young, minorities, low income people and those with disabilities that the Brennan Center for Justice concluded it “could make it significantly harder for more than 5 million eligible voters to cast ballots in 2012.”
Five million disenfranchised voters is a lot of people. It might even help the Republicans win the White House in 2012.
Here’s a look at these new voter ID laws in action in Wisconsin during the recall of nine state senators last summer. The Republican legislature’s Wisconsin’s voter ID laws required voters to show photo IDs at the polls this summer during the recalls, however if they didn’t have them, they could still vote (in theory). Starting next year, photo IDs will be required. In 2009, in Wisconsin alone, the cost for issuing voter ID cards was estimated at 2.4 million dollars.
Citing widespread confusion at the polls last summer stemming from improperly trained election officials and uninformed voters, the A League of Women Voters suggested improvements including hiring more poll workers at an added expense, as well as providing more training and taking action to alleviate long lines. Apparently making voting more difficult for some people is a big part of freedom for Republicans.
Other problems noted by the League included:
— In almost a quarter of the polling sites, officials were inconsistent in asking voters to show ID, in violation of the law.
— Some voters showed IDs, such as fishing licenses and employer IDs that would not be valid for voting in 2012.
— Voters were incorrectly told at some polling places to re-register if the address on their photo ID did not match the address on the poll list. The law does not require that the address on their photo ID be current in order to vote, but they do have to show proof of residency when registering.
— In at least four locations voters were incorrectly told they couldn’t vote next year if their driver’s license was expired. The law allows for licenses that have expired after November 2010 to be used.
– Observers found problems experienced by disabled voters with the requirement they sign the poll book, even though the law allows for exemptions.
In short, these voter ID laws were a costly debacle. These same Republicans in Wisconsin have been busy dismantling workers’ rights in order to save “money.” The hypocrisy of their enacting voter ID laws in a state with hardly any voter fraud issues does more than smell of deliberate voter disenfranchisement. Republicans are willing to spend 2.4 million dollars on a non-issue while they kill union rights under the guise of fiscal responsibility.
Ironically, just this year in Wisconsin there were a few widely publicized instances of voter fraud. There was Republican Marcie Malszycki, 30, an aide to state Rep. Warren Petryk, R-Eleva, who voted improperly for Walker in the 2010 election, dead people who signed the Republicans recall petitions against Democrats, the shady practices of Republicans in the recall campaign and “issues” with lost, torn and uncounted ballots in Waukesha by the Republican county clerk during the Supreme Court race (technically more of an election fraud issue).
Cokie Roberts, who served under George W Bush’s administration on the Council on Service and Civic Participation, wrote an article with her husband Steve yesterday in which she called the new voter ID laws a “miscarriage of justice” and urged the Department of Justice to challenge this assault on Americans’ rights. The Roberts wrote, “This is far more than an outrageous attempt to rig the next election. It is a tragic violation of core American principles. How can we possibly promote democracy abroad when we violate such basic rights at home?”
Supporters of the new laws say they are necessary to combat voter fraud. But that, to put it bluntly, is a lie.
There is no evidence — none — that fraud is a major problem in any state. Rolling Stone magazine reports “a major probe by the Justice Department between 2002 and 2007 (during a Republican administration) failed to prosecute a single person for going to the polls and impersonating an eligible voter, which the anti-fraud laws are supposedly designed to stop.”
You might remember Cokie for her comment about candidate Barack Obama visiting his dying grandmother in Hawaii during the 2008 campaign. Roberts said “I know Hawaii is a state, but it has the look of [Barack Obama] going off to some sort of foreign, exotic place.” So it appears that her opinions regarding our democracy don’t come from some vested interest in the reelection of Barack Obama. Cokie’s passion for voting rights is no doubt influenced by her father, the late Democratic Congressman from Louisiana, Hale Boggs, who endorsed Lyndon Johnson’s 1965 Voting Rights Act.
In 2007, The Brennan Center for Justice found that the sort of voter fraud addressed by overly restrictive identification requirements is more rare than death by lightning. They wrote in the report, “Overly restrictive identification requirements for voters at the polls — which address a sort of voter fraud more rare than death by lightning — is only the most prominent example.”
The Republicans Voter ID restrictions were a debacle last summer in Wisconsin and will end up costing the state untold amounts of money to address a non-existent issue; an issue so rare it occurs less often than being killed by lightning. These same laws are being enacted all over the country and are set to disenfranchise over 5 million voters.
This, from the party of “freedom.” Republican legislatures have done this in 19 states and two states’ laws were changed by executive order.
Every citizen has the right to cast their ballot. Discriminating against the poor, the young, minorities and the disabled is an unthinkable violation of the evolved principles of this great country. Republicans are going after those who vote Democratic in a deliberate attempt to rig elections and in doing so, they are proving that the GOP is no longer the party of liberty.
In fact, I can’t think of a more antithetically un-American action than stealing votes away from others because of the way they vote. I registered voters in 2008 for the Obama campaign, but I registered anyone who wanted to vote. Some Republicans were shocked that I would do so. My response to them was this is America and I love this country, so I support every citizen casting their ballot for the candidate of their choice. I don’t need to agree with them in order to passionately support their right to do so, and use my free time to assist them in doing so. I wouldn’t want to win an election by cheating or by taking someone else’s vote away from them. That’s not how this country is supposed to work.
The modern day Republican Party is killing the modern American spirit of expanding voters’ rights as we saw in 1965, with the help of misinformation central from Fox News and the con artists who carry their water. The only reason they are doing this is because they fear that they can’t win elections the American way.
What kind of political party fails to believe in the tenets of the very government they seek to control? The Republicans’ voter ID laws will cost us more than money we don’t have; they will cost us our honor as a free democracy in the eyes of the world.
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Dice
Oct. 7th, 2011 at 5:26 pm
Another little tidbit from Wisconsin: The state Department of Motor Vehicles, where folks here must go to obtain a state ID card if they don’t have a driver’s license, was instructed by the Walker administration not to inform applicants for the ID cards that the cards are free if they’re being used as voter identification unless they were specifically asked (there is a check box on the form which negates the $28 fee normally charged). Let me restate that: DMV workers were expressly told not to point out the check box UNLESS THE APPLICANT ASKED ABOUT IT. When an employee of another state agency sent an email to his coworkers informing them of this filthy trick, he was fired. So what the scumbags here are trying to do is institute a poll tax in addition to disenfranchising a lot of their opposition. This is ANTI-AMERICAN, ANTI-MIDDLE CLASS, ANTI-ELDERLY, ANTI-DISABLED, and it’s making me sick just thinking about it.
Don
Oct. 8th, 2011 at 1:28 am
Wouldn’t everyone just check the box, even if it weren’t for voting if they were told it would save them $28? Perhaps that was the worry?
DAVID
Oct. 8th, 2011 at 11:46 am
i am shocked that you would assume that some would game the system. have you no faith in your fellow man? we should have fully open voting no id, a whole month to vote, free rides to the polls. surely no one would abuse the privilege. :)
Rocksteady
Oct. 7th, 2011 at 6:02 pm
Oh, give me a break! Voter fraud (and vote problems; see the 2000 Presidential election) has been a recurring occurrence in U.S. elections (did “The Mob” get J.F.K. the presidency?).
You can’t admit the presence of millions of illegal non-citizens then claim voter identification is not a way to ensure only U.S. citizens vote in U.S. elections.
Dice
Oct. 7th, 2011 at 6:28 pm
Don’t you mean to say only U.S. citizens who agree with you? Give ME a break. The dirty tricks being pulled in Wisconsin have nothing to do with preventing ineligible voters from voting. Wisconsin has virtually no history of voter fraud, except for a couple questionable moves by conservatives in the last election.
These laws are not aimed at illegal immigrants. They are aimed at groups who might vote against the minions of ALEC. They are also aimed at the people who stand to lose the most when the social safety net is handed over to the ghouls: the poor, the elderly, the disabled, people of color, and the young, groups who are all more likely not to have a license to drive. But they are damned well eligible to vote.
Shiva (Moderator)
Oct. 7th, 2011 at 7:06 pm
nice try. I suppose shutting down early voting, Shortening the voting hours and not sending out ballots to the military tries to keep those illegals from voting to right?
your claim is not validated by the results of the voter probe under the Bush administration. And worse the people of these states including yours are being forced to pay for a Solution to a nonexistent problem
Sarah Jones
Oct. 7th, 2011 at 9:48 pm
Did you not read the article? Bush already wasted millions chasing after illegals and guess what? No voter fraud. This isn’t opinion, it’s fact. Does the AG scandal ring a bell?
Shiva (Moderator)
Oct. 7th, 2011 at 10:06 pm
Did you forget that there never was a Bush? I dare you to find anywhere where this imaginary critter is responsible for anything.
Shiva (Moderator)
Oct. 7th, 2011 at 7:03 pm
We knew they were going to be dirty from the get-go. The GOP accuses Democrats of doing anything to stay in power yet here the GOP is doing anything to get into power. What they are doing across the states is vastly worse than anything that’s been done before to our election process.
However I did see that Eric Holder is going to investigate some of the states actions to see if it inhibits people from voting. I’m not sure what he can do about it but it’s good to know that at least someone is going to look into this.
tim
Oct. 7th, 2011 at 10:02 pm
96 year old woman in SC denied her voter ID with ss card and bc. They still won’t give it to her. She’s black.
Joetheplumber
Oct. 7th, 2011 at 7:29 pm
Cash a check… need ID.
Use your credit card for > $25… show ID.
Fly on an airplane… show ID.
Buy a drink…show ID
Buy cigarettes… show ID
Vote… no stinking ID needed…
Get real.
Shiva (Moderator)
Oct. 7th, 2011 at 8:04 pm
All right I will agree with the need for voter ID. But do you agree with the methods being used by the GOP to make sure that some people do not get IDs and do not have the ability to vote?
Rick Shreiner
Oct. 7th, 2011 at 8:09 pm
WHEN MY CAT HEARD ABOUT YOUR RESPONSE .. ..
… he looked up at me as if to say, “That was a perfect example of an extremely incompetent and poorly crafted argument; all of those actions mentioned are personal choices [ie you don't HAVE to engage in them], whereas voting is a Constitutionallly protected RIGHT .. .. ”
Funny how my cat understood the difference between personal choices and Constitutionally protected rights, while that distinction FLEW RIGHT OVER YOUR HEAD. (are you a GOP-bagger, by chance ?)
Your civics homework has been graded, “F”, for FAIL.
Do better homework next time.
Shiva (Moderator)
Oct. 7th, 2011 at 8:20 pm
is your cat running for public office and in what district? He has my vote
Reynardine
Oct. 8th, 2011 at 12:14 am
They have to be 21, Shiva. That’s a pretty tough requirement for a little cat.
kim
Oct. 7th, 2011 at 8:27 pm
Hello brainwashed — you do not need an ID in many states to buy a gun. Where do you live?
As for voter ID, there are these things called Sect of States where you register to vote. When you do that, you have to prove who you are. You get a little card in the mail and when you go to vote, they check you off the list. Here’s the big secret: you have to live at that address to get the card!
Since the Bush administration couldn’t find proof of anyone actually trying to commit voter fraud, I’m not so sure why you are so sure the system isn’t working.
I hope you don’t get this paranoid in public about dead people voting. I saw a guy do that recently and he almost got kicked out after he approached all of the black people in line to demand their IDs. Fox news is bad for you.
Sarah Jones
Oct. 7th, 2011 at 8:28 pm
Voting is not equivalent to shopping.
Joetheplumber
Oct. 7th, 2011 at 7:35 pm
Oh… and buy a gun… Show ID.
tim
Oct. 7th, 2011 at 9:45 pm
You are a real tool based on your previous comments. Why can’t you hold a normal discussion.
Prove the need for these voter ID laws or why the f*ck are you justifying wasting MY money on them?
By the way, in Texas you can use a concealed carry license to vote but not a student ID. Now, put your big brain on and tell me who that’s targeting and why.
Anne
Oct. 7th, 2011 at 10:04 pm
It would be a waste of time to get an answer from him on that, because he seems to be stuck on stupid. Everyone on this forum knows that ID’s are necessary for most business transactions, so I don’t even see why he keeps bringing that up. But it’s obvious that he either doesn’t understand, or actually supports, the underhanded attempts of the GOP to gain advantage by requiring ID’s while making it difficult for people to obtain them. Not even the example of the 96-year-old woman who’s been voting with no trouble since the 1930′s seems to have penetrated.
Anne
Oct. 7th, 2011 at 8:02 pm
There was a segment on Al Sharpton’s show yesterday about Dorothy Cooper, a 96-year-old black woman who lives in Tennessee. They had this woman going from place to place to obtain the proper documentation for an ID, and because she didn’t have her marriage certificate among all they demanded of her, she was denied the ID. Up to that point, she had had no trouble being able to vote even without an ID.
The problem with these new ID laws is that the people enacting them also do things to make it more difficult to obtain one in the first place. They are not doing it because they genuinely care about voter fraud, but because they have their own agenda which is to game the system in their favor. They are masters at projecting onto others the things they are doing themselves at the time.
Joetheplumber
Oct. 7th, 2011 at 8:40 pm
I almost forgot…
fill your prescriptions… Show ID.
(and that’s true even for a very large number of our nursing home patients)
File for social security payments… Show ID
File for medicare… Show ID
File for medicaid… Show ID
File for unemployment…Show ID
File for welfare… Show ID
There’s a theme about modern society there…
ID is necessary for almost every part of daily life..
So who, again doesn’t have ID – already? And why wouldn’t you
want it to be validated to participate in our basic American
form of government?
Or are you alleging that there is a truly large segment of society
who don’t have valid ID (for any of the multiple reasons cited earlier and many more that can easily be named)…. that are legal?
I’m sure that you can find isolated evidence of almost any kind of abuse of power by elected officials that you would care to name…on both sides of the political spectrum.(It’s a big country and not everyone is honest…) And… abuse of bureaucracy powers…(Which seems to be quite common these days) And… as the blog points out… Voter registration abuse appears not to be just a liberal game…
So… Lets ensure that everybody gets properly registered with proper ID and that ID is checked when they go to vote… and let’s go out and celebrate with a drink afterwords… and show the same ID. And if you need a chill pill… you’ll need an ID to pick it up. And the pharmacist and the bartender could care less about your sex, color, religious belief, or even whether you are a legal citizen… but they could lose their license if they don’t check your ID. The pharmacist… btw doesn’t care of you look 17 or 97… he’s got to check your ID for a controlled substance prescription…
I’ve not heard any fuss about those requirements!
Shiva (Moderator)
Oct. 7th, 2011 at 8:53 pm
Most of that is BS
Anne
Oct. 7th, 2011 at 8:56 pm
The point of my post went completely over your head. Like I said, the concern about voter ID’s is one of the ways that the GOP wants to game the system in its favor. It’s happening over and over in state after state. If it were simply about the wisdom of having an ID and nothing more, they would not be doing things that make it difficult for folks to get an ID in the first place. There was NO reason why that woman who is nearly 100 years old should have been made to jump through all those hoops only to be denied an ID after all. It makes the folks who did this look mean-spirited and petty.
Why else would someone in Wisconsin who was trying to inform folks on how to obtain the free ID’s be fired? It was because the geniuses who instituted this policy want to make it as difficult as possible for people who lean towards voting for Democrats. They know their economic policies stink to high heaven so they have to find a way to rig the system so that they can win elections. While it’s true that ID’s are necessary for most transactions, that is only the pretext these morons are hiding behind. They have been drumming up anger over a problem that very rarely occurs, but they are only trying to gain advantage for themselves over their real or potential political opponents.
Reynardine
Oct. 8th, 2011 at 12:18 am
It went over the wrong head, Anne.
dem9586792844592
Oct. 8th, 2011 at 12:40 am
And here I thought that the Republicans longed for no greater pleasure in life than to cut through government red tape. I’m shocked. Disillusioned. What happened to freedom? I’m all confused.
Jim
Oct. 8th, 2011 at 12:49 pm
Again… none of the things you list is a constitutional right.
Please read that over and over until you understand it. Which means you will understand it sometime in 2089… maybe.
Joetheplumber
Oct. 7th, 2011 at 8:53 pm
try buying a new weapon and going through the required ID check… without an ID…Federal requirement… not state.
Clearly… you haven’t bought any weapons in the past 20 years or so.
(And that’s a second amendment right…similar to those voting rights…or did you forget). Of course there are a few folks who are trying to get rid of the private sale loophole for this requirement.
Shiva (Moderator)
Oct. 7th, 2011 at 9:38 pm
Who?
Tina
Oct. 8th, 2011 at 6:22 am
Mr.Plumber
After reading all your posts here this morning I’ve come to the conclusion that you really need to use your plumber’s helper to clear your brain.
Mike
Oct. 7th, 2011 at 9:21 pm
This is such a stupid discussion. All individuals stating that requiring an ID is a bad thing… please vote in the next Mexican, Australian, English, Scottish, Norwegian, Spanish, Italian, or any pretty much any other democracy without an ID and get back to us and tell us how it went, you might want to start with any country purporting to have elections in Central America or perhaps any place in North Africa.
Shiva (Moderator)
Oct. 7th, 2011 at 9:38 pm
The discussion is not whether an ID should be required, its about how the States and the GOP are going about using it to block voters from voting
Mike
Oct. 7th, 2011 at 10:16 pm
If you have an ID you can vote, if you aren’t able to prove who you are, then you shouldn’t be allowed to vote. In what way is this a Republican issue? Of course you can give examples of where individuals have not been allowed to vote?
By the way, Wisconsin has historically supported voter ID around 80%. Given WI voted for Obama, you can’t blame the movement in WI on Republicans… but I guess you could hold Republicans responsible for implementing what the vast majority of WI wanted done. The Democrat politicians of the WI stood in the way of what the citizens have wanted for years.
As for what the Republicans have done in WI…. thank goodness. Illinois is roughly where WI was with respect to budget short fall; let’s see what happens in Illinois in the next year.
Anne
Oct. 7th, 2011 at 10:27 pm
You are another one who doesn’t get it. The GOP attempts to game the system under the pretext of needing ID’s has been going on for a while. At the same time they insist on the need for ID’s, they go about making it difficult for people to obtain them. One tactic is limiting the number of places to get them, as well as the one in Wisconsin where they fired someone for informing potential voters on how to LEGALLY obtain free ID’s and forego the $28 fee. What part of that don’t you understand? As for Wisconsin, I would not cite that state under Scott Walker as an example of how anything should go. Fortunately, it looks like his tenure as governor will be short, but unfortunately, not before he has done considerable damage. My hat is off to the Wisconsites who are working at ousting this power-hungry fool from office. The state has lost over 2,000 jobs since his short tenure.
Shiva (Moderator)
Oct. 7th, 2011 at 10:39 pm
Mike try to read and understand. It is NOT about having to have an ID, it is about how the GOP is going about making it impossible to get ID’s for people that need them, changing the voting hours, doing away with early voting that seniors frequently us. Try to educate your self. This is happening in states all across the US and primarily in Wisconsin
historical is meaningless in the face of the new laws, many of which just went into effect
buckeyewill
Oct. 8th, 2011 at 5:02 am
I have to comment…forgive me for the late post.
The right-wing in America have attack certain people voting in America’s elections. Whether it’s Theodore Bilbo, a Confederate in the Democratic Party, or Steven King, a Confederate in the Republican Party. Confederates before the Voting Rights Act used literacy tests, poll taxes, stupid questions, and yes, violence. Confederates north of the Mason-Dixon Line used fake notices, ballot security measures,(remember William Renquist??) , and now state measures. It’s always have been the same games played for half a century.
neil
Oct. 8th, 2011 at 10:37 am
It’s all about trying to rig the game.Republicans are a bunch of morally bankrupt corrupt bastards.They will lie cheat and steal to regain power.Taking away voting rights is just another arrow in their quiver.We must shine the light of day on these cock roaches so they scatter.
Josh
Oct. 8th, 2011 at 3:12 pm
Don’t most states require you to carry a photo ID? I don’t see why this is a problem.
Anne
Oct. 8th, 2011 at 3:26 pm
If you’ve been pay attention for even a microsecond to what this discussion is about, it pertains to GOP efforts to game the political system by requiring voters to have ID’s and then making laws that make it difficult if not impossible for people to obtain one. If you don’t see anything wrong with this picture, then there’s something wrong with you. A fair-minded human being, regardless of political affiliation, would have no problem seeing the inherent dishonesty in these tactics.
ComeOnAmerica
Oct. 8th, 2011 at 3:59 pm
Excellent! Thanks. I’ll use this and other terrific comments to fight the RW lemmings.
Josh
Oct. 8th, 2011 at 4:55 pm
There is so much spin out there that I have no idea what is true… all I was asking is don’t most states require a photo ID? As far as I know anyone over 18 is required to carry a photo ID in Chicago. I assumed that it was a law in most places. No need to be condescending.
Anne
Oct. 8th, 2011 at 6:13 pm
You STILL don’t get it, do you? Don’t you think something is very wrong when people like the 96-year-old woman I cited are told they need an ID to vote and then have obstacles placed in their paths after they did exactly what they were told to do in order to get one? Of course, ID’s are needed for most transactions, which just about everyone here understands. The point most of us are making, which you are missing for some reason, is that they are targeting people who normally vote for Democrats, They do this by limiting where folks can vote, cancelling same day registration, limiting where they can get ID’s, and firing an official for telling folks in Wisconsin about the ability to get ID’s for free, which was perfectly legal. This is a coordinated effort that has been going on in 34 states, and it has nothing at all to do with eliminating voter fraud. It’s only about gaming the system in order to ensure victory for their candidates. Bringing up something that is already obvious to most people does nothing to bolster the argument that the GOP is doing this for the common good.
Josh
Oct. 8th, 2011 at 6:40 pm
Yeah, I saw your comment and it sounded like spin to me.
I’m sorry to hear a few people are having a hard time obtaining an ID but certain documents should be required.
I’m not talking about transactions, I’m saying to walk down the street in Chicago you need a photo ID.
I don’t see why you STILL don’t get it.
Maybe you’re correct in some of your other statements, that’s not what I’m arguing… If the law requires people to carry identification asking them to present it shouldn’t be an issue.
Josh
Oct. 8th, 2011 at 6:53 pm
One more comment and I’ll go away (This site obviously isn’t for me, I stumbled across the article on Digg). I don’t care which party gets elected, I don’t trust either. This country is in a lot of trouble and neither party is going to be able to/willing to fix it. The things that are now necessary will put us into one of the worst depressions this country has ever seen.
The ship is sinking and we are arguing about who gets what for dinner.
Anne
Oct. 9th, 2011 at 11:01 am
This is a coordinated effort going on in 34 or 85% of all the 50 American states, so it obviously involves way more than a few people. Yes, I think you are doing yourself a favor by leaving this site because you obviously either don’t get it or you agree with what the GOP is doing in order to disenfranchise millions of voters. If the example of the 96-year-old woman didn’t help you to get it, I doubt anything will.
Anne
Oct. 10th, 2011 at 4:36 pm
OopS!! 68%, which is still a high percentage of the states affected.
Joetheplumber
Oct. 10th, 2011 at 3:43 pm
Voter ID is, of course… just an EEEEEVIL GOP plot to disenfranchise Latinos, blacks and democrats.
As the Providence Journal noted when the bill passed in Rhode Island:
This year, voter-ID legislation was backed by a coalition of Democrats and Republicans, including two prominent black lawmakers: House Speaker Gordon D. Fox and Sen. Harold M. Metts. Sen. Juan M. Pichardo, the first Latino elected to a Rhode Island Senate seat and the first Dominican-American elected to a state senate seat in the country, also supported it. Fox, Metts and Pichardo are Providence Democrats.
This seems to involve Latinos, blacks, and Democrats in the conspiracy… and in a pretty BLUE state at that. Not so much of a GOP plot in Rhode Island, is there?
Again…
Show me the suffering millions…who don’t already have valid ID for other purposes.
Truth will ultimately prevail where there is pains taken to bring it to light. GEORGE WASHINGTON
Anne
Oct. 10th, 2011 at 4:10 pm
@Joe The Plumber:
Yes, truth IS prevailing as the coordinated effort in 34 states by the GOP to disenfranchise countless voters is being exposed. If they were fair-minded, they wouldn’t be placing obstacles in the way of people who are trying to obtain them. But then, I don’t expect you to see that at all. You are every bit as obtuse as Joe The Plumber from the 2008 presidential campaign was. Actually, it’s a good thing you are posting, because we get to see just how willfully ignorant people can be. People like you support things that eventually affect you, and you probably won’t see it coming until it’s too late.
Joetheplumber
Oct. 10th, 2011 at 4:59 pm
Willfully ignorant…seems to apply more to your reply.
Your reply completely ignored the quote from the Providence paper… and continued with the ‘coordinated eeeevil plot’ meme, yet… in that BLUE state, the Dems, blacks, and even Latinos supported the ID… But then… by your logic… is deep BLUE Rhode Island being “unfair?”…
Inconvenient truth…
and… You haven’t addressed the ‘millions’ hyperbole.
Given that in Rhode Island… they want ID for voters… with a colorful connivance of blacks, browns, and blue democrats… maybe that’s not so believable either.
Alinsky summed up the basis of your opinion well in his exhortation to demonize: “One acts decisively only in the conviction that all the angels are on one side and all the devils on the other.” Unfortunately…it seems at least in Rhode Island… facts speak otherwise…. and of course that doesn’t play into the meme.
Anne
Oct. 12th, 2011 at 2:57 pm
There’s nothing wrong with ID’s, but there is something wrong with making a law requiring ID’s to vote and then placing obstacles to make it difficult if not impossible to obtain ID’s. Any fair-minded human being would see exactly what was wrong with the way the 96-year-old woman was treated. Everyone agrees with the fact that ID’s are usually necessary, so you are beating a dead horse by continuing to repeat the need for them. What you fail to acknowledge is that these Republicans are about voter suppression when they make it hard to obtain these ID’s. Let’s not deny the fact that they are quite blatant about their intentions. The people adversely affected are the poor, students, the elderly, and African-Americans–groups that they know for a fact usually vote for Democrats. They are doing what someone accurately called a solution in search of a problem.
Joetheplumber
Oct. 11th, 2011 at 12:45 pm
And… the truly ridiculous assertion that the GOP… is in a 34 state conspiracy… The GOP can’t even compel Obama not to increase the federal deficit… with a majority in the House. (and remember, please… some of those states that are implementing ID are blue…like Rhode Island….which doesn’t lend any credence to the eeeevil conspiracy of GOP theory.) You are attributing far too much power, coordination, and cooperation to them with that conspiracy theory….
Totally absurd.
A major problem with the GOP is that it is completely uncoordinated with the radical right pissing on the RINO’s and bitching that the moderates need to declare themselves! They are fighting with themselves as much as they are fighting Democrats.
Ya been smokin waaaaay too much of that wackytobaccy if you believe that the GOP could pull that off. (Alinsky Tactic #5)
get real…
by other posts in this blog, half the GOP is too stupid to implement any conspiracy within a single building…much less across 34 state lines.(Alinsky Tactic #5, again)
Oh well… either the GOP is either too stupid to pull off tying both shoes… or so smart that they appear stupid while they are organizing for total world domination. But…actually this might be one of the Errors of Faulty Logic to wit: Contradiction: Information is presented that is in direct opposition to other information within the same argument.
Shiva (Moderator)
Oct. 11th, 2011 at 12:56 pm
I am sure that this fact passed you by but it is not just the fact that people are putting voter ID into law. It is of course shortening the hours in which people can vote, doing away with early voting or shortening the amount of time that you can early vote along with several other laws that are making it difficult.
Your mentioning of a Alinsky is silly And meaningless.
why don’t you tell us instead what the GOP is doing to enhance voter registration and voter accessibility?
BTW, on RI’s bill
“This isn’t a strict photo ID law like the others being debated across the country,” says Scott Westbrook Simpson, press secretary for the Leadership Conference on Civil and Human Rights, an advocacy group that opposes photo ID bills. “This is not at all indicative of bipartisan support for these other bills, like the ones in Indiana or Georgia. Particularly, this law allows folks without a photo ID to still vote by provisional ballot.”
Joetheplumber
Oct. 11th, 2011 at 3:47 pm
Shiva said: “Your mentioning of Alinsky is silly And meaningless.” (Ridicule…Alinsky Tactics #5)… it’s not at all silly to point out how the rule book is being applied nor to point out the fallacies in logic.
“why don’t you tell us instead what the GOP is doing to enhance voter registration and voter accessibility?”
Because…I don’t know what they are doing. I’m not GOP…I’m a GDI that is fed up with the lies on both sides. I’m tired of meaningless conspiracy theories riddled with propaganda. As I noted above… the GOP is being consumed with fights among conservatives, religious fanatics, neocons, RINO’s, and moderates… hell they’ve got some folks that are more liberal than most of the Democratic party and folks somewhat to the right of the John Birch Society.
You need to examine your basic premises… they are contradictory.
Either the GOP is filled with mindless stumbling idiots as has been described in this blog…that can’t sequentially tie a pair of shoes…. or they are so damn smart that they can “do nothing” yet mount a vast conspiracy that crosses multiple state lines. Non-congruent Venn diagram. Way too much weed consumed…
GOP1… smart, well defined eeeevil, conspiracy to disenfranchise Millions, I tell you Millions…in a multi-state cooooordinated effort.
GOP2… thugs, corrupt, stupid, self-serving, redneck, uneducated, boors, no process of logic, simply unable to connect the dots… much less plan anything.
Does your head hurt…trying to keep GOP1 separated from GOP2? You can’t have both views… and maintain a semblance of logical thought. (Alinsky Tactic #5 applied here and of course in above paragraph)
This article is pretty pure propaganda piece that leaves an independent a distinctly bad impression about the thought processes of people who can wrap their head around both contradictory thoughts about the GOP at the same time. To allege that the party of Do Nothing can mount a 34 state conspiracy boggles the mind… and that logic error calls into question every other statistic and scenario used to ‘support’ the allegations.
And that still hasn’t answered the question… why not voter ID… you have to show ID for most financial transactions…get medications (certainly controlled medicines), and register for ‘entitlements’… why not voter ID? Seems a lot of PEOPLE want it. (and plain old people wanting voter ID doesn’t fit an eeeeeeevil conspiracy meme…at all.)
Shiva (Moderator)
Oct. 11th, 2011 at 3:58 pm
first I will say this. I am very much anti-illegal immigration and quite frankly I think that every American ought to be overproduced some ID that he is an American. I am against giving illegal immigrants driver’s licenses which is the normal method of showing that you are a citizen and quite frankly I think that criminal. I think that any program that says all of a sudden you need a voter ID should be rolled out over a few years in order to allow everyone, and I do mean everyone who wants to vote to obtain such an a voter ID
the article is not propaganda because of the laws that are being drawn up or Are already in effect that shorten the voting hours, have closed many voting precincts in Democratic areas of cities, shorten the early voting that many people take advantage of especially the seniors. If you’re not willing to buy into that then I suggest you look into what the GOP is doing. In fact if you don’t know what the GOP is doing you cannot call the article propaganda
A great number of the items And places that you mentioned do not require ID I have never shown my idea and a pharmacy in many of the other places you mentioned
Alinsky tactics are utterly meaningless to me and silly.
I do not need to examine my basic premises as the GOP is filled with both one and two. Of course you know that.
Joetheplumber
Oct. 20th, 2011 at 1:13 pm
Seems not just the good folks in Rhode Island are worried about voter fraud….
and this is a black former congresscritter.
www.redstate.com/soren_da...
(And before the comment… of course it’s from a conservative website.. but that doesn’t make it false… just a different bias that needs to be considered.) Remember… I’m a GDI. not. GOP.