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Wisconsin and Florida GOP Fire Up the 2012 Voter Suppression Machine
Wisconsin and Florida GOP Fire Up the 2012 Voter Suppression Machine was written by Rmuse for PoliticusUSA.
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21 Responses to Wisconsin and Florida GOP Fire Up the 2012 Voter Suppression Machine
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Shiva (Moderator)
May. 20th, 2011 at 10:17 pm
We can only hope. As you say its all the republicans have is to cheat. I am glad I am not a politician, cause once the de4ms take back over I would repeal all these laws and tell everyone why.
This is for the dems to lose. If they do lose, I think we all know what will happen
Reynardine
May. 20th, 2011 at 10:57 pm
I’ve saved the address for the League of Women Voters, and advise concerned Floridians to contact them. It strikes me that the requirements laid on voter registration organizations don’t even pass the rational basis sniff test. State ID cards were, the last time I checked, quite affordable, and were in use at the polls in 2008, but if their cost has gone up or getting them has been made more burdensome, it might change the picture. As for shortening the early voting period and the poll hours (also in the hours) that is less bang for more bucks in a way that doesn’t begin to pass the sniff test, especially in Florida, which already stinks. There should be a motion for a declaratory judgement in the works right now. If this monstrosity is signed into law, it’ll be time to apply for an injunction to keep it from being enforced until there is a judgement on the merits.
Tim Kaczocha
May. 22nd, 2011 at 1:24 am
It’s difficult enough to get frail elderly out to vote and then to have them wait at a DMV to get a photo ID? This whole ploy is to keep them from voting.
CH
May. 20th, 2011 at 10:59 pm
cheating is so digusting!!!! Dems will fight back and republicans lose, lose, lose!!!!
sherriww
May. 21st, 2011 at 3:14 am
I believe the article is correct-they have GONE TOO FAR-the Rethugs and their Tea-Helpers,and I think there will be,and should be,Hell To Pay! Keep it coming! And make SURE you get any ID you need-take people from your neighborhood with you,to the driver lic place or courthouse for an ID and then VOTE to run these Bast***s out of every TOWN and STATEHOUSE! And,MOST OF ALL,OUT OF WASH D, C.! stand with DEMS ONLY THIS TIME AROUND!
Aaron
May. 23rd, 2011 at 10:15 pm
Not only will the GOP survive the recall efforts but there is a very good chance their margins will increase afterward. Walker will not be recalled, the voter ID bill will remain intact, public workers collective bargaining will stay removed. Here’s the deal despite being outspent nearly 4-1 the supreme court race in WI still went to Prosser a guy painted as Walker. The districts that are having recall elections for both D & R senators have foreshadowed the results of the upcoming recalls… if these races follow this recent Prosser Kloppenburg race, the recalls will be a big slap in the face to many liberals. Prosser carried nearly all of these districts and some by very comfortable margins. The time to stop hitting the snooze button is now, take your thumb out of your mouth, rub the sleepers from your eyes and realize that the majority of voters agree with the current administration. Proof will come in these recall elections, voter ID is not going to be in effect for them, so you cannot blame that on the results, even still the Dems will have one more round to continue their election fraud/cheating. But I don’t think that it will help, it didn’t with the Kloppenburg race!
Shiva (Moderator)
May. 23rd, 2011 at 10:23 pm
“even still the Dems will have one more round to continue their election fraud/cheating.”
It was the dems that popped up with 7000 mysterious votes for Prosser? Opened bags, the dems that threw in the torn up bags and refused to let the canvasers count the ballots? If so, why are the Dems taking those things to court?
Are you confused?
Sarah Jones
May. 24th, 2011 at 12:24 am
And Dems that had dead people signing recall petitions and presenting recall petitions as something OTHER than a recall petition for a Democrat? Nope – Republicans did that.
Shiva (Moderator)
May. 24th, 2011 at 12:31 am
I see walker signed the clean water act, that does away with some testing and disinfecting, and gives the power of decision to his office. He said under the old way it gave to much power to the state government. Under the old way the department reported to the governor lol
Sarah Jones
May. 24th, 2011 at 12:36 am
So he’s not the state government? Oh, better to give power to ONE person than a bunch of people. We see this is the same reasoning as Kathy Nicklaus used with her torn ballot bags.
Aaron
May. 24th, 2011 at 11:31 pm
This article is “about” voter suppression, when you really look at what happened in WI, it is sad that you rally for a candidate who suppresses votes in order to gain on the recall. Almost 5% of her recall difference came from one incident involving nuns! The nuns voted but did not sign the witness line to the ballots, which clearly was an error in the process but not in the votes cast. Going after nuns, does she have no ethics. Simply discriminating against these elderly women because their votes went towards Prosser is disgusting and the epitome of hypocrisy.
But it is not just specific incidents like this that are examples of voter suppression, it is the idea that the our state voted and reelected Prosser, the majority be that slim is being suppressed by these stall tactics. In November we elected Walker(gov.) Johnson instead of Feingold(US senate) and the state assembly and state senate flipped from heavy Democrat to Republican. What has gone on since by the Democrats fleeing the state, etc. is voter suppression! Shame, Shame, Shame!
Sarah Jones
May. 24th, 2011 at 11:46 pm
I’m sorry, but you’re obviously not informed about this. You should check out how many districts that went for Walker changed to go for Kloppenburg before you attempt to compare things. As for the election issues, it’s obvious that there are problems there, even Republicans are saying so. I’ve written extensively on it, and the facts are not arguable.
Aaron
May. 25th, 2011 at 9:31 pm
If you are so inclined and written so much about it, well cut and paste a link or show me the districts you speak of.. we are talking about districts involved in the recall Sarah. Not cherry picked samples from around the state, but those specific recall areas for D and R senators. Good luck
Sarah Jones
May. 25th, 2011 at 9:40 pm
Pardon me, Aaron, but why would I waste my time copying (surely that is what you meant) and pasting links for you? Are you unable to use google or the search button on this site? Try this: Sarah Jones Wisconsin supreme court election. There’s even a special map for you with districts in color codes. As for the recalls, I have no idea what you are nattering on about – have you seen the polls? I guess not. It’s no skin off of my back if you want to believe what makes you feel good, but at some point, you have to ask yourself how they got all of those signatures?
Aaron
May. 25th, 2011 at 11:56 pm
read below
Aaron
May. 24th, 2011 at 6:51 pm
7000 votes mysteriously appear..! lets get real, even the fluffington post had to admit that the votes are accurate.. mainly because the vote totals they reported themselves the night of the election from Brookfield matched exactly the votes missing. Thats it, its over.
This wasn’t like Milwuakee in 2004 when there were over 5000 votes counted more then cast, that election was determined in our state by about 10,000 total. Too bad the same scrutiny wasn’t paid to voting then.
Aaron
May. 25th, 2011 at 11:54 pm
Sarah, My computer crashed so I was unable to take time to read your extensive writings on this topic but I was able to recreate my info from before. Although I believe the Prosser election is an excellent gauge for the upcoming recalls I included other election results so the trends may be observed from 2004 on. Rather than speak in hypothetically like you choose to do, here is the cold hard facts for you and anyone else to celebrate or cry over.
I knew you wouldn’t present them because it doesn’t go with what you want, but this is reality.. and reality is: there is a good chance that the current senate will not only keep its Republican majority, but rather pick up one to two additional seats to add to the current numbers.
Senator/ Party/ Prosser/ 2004/ 2008/ 2010gov
Hopper (R) Prosser 53% Bush 57% McCain 47% Walker 57%
Kapanke (R) Prosser 42% Bush 46% McCain 38% Walker 50%
Harsdorf (R) Prosser 49% Bush 51% McCain 48% Walker 58%
Olsen (R) Prosser 55% Bush 56% McCain 47% Walker 57%
Cowles (R) Prosser 58% Bush 47% McCain 46% Walker 57%
Darling (R) Prosser 66% Bush 53% McCain 47% Walker 54%
Holperin (D) Prosser 55% Bush 53% McCain 46% Walker 57%
Hansen (D) Prosser 53% Bush 52% McCain 42% Walker 54%
Wirch (D) Prosser 49% Bush 48% McCain 41% Walker 53%
Note: Only 2 Republicans up for recall had their districts have less then 50% for Prosser.
Kapanke won in 2008 while John McCain was getting only 38 percent of the vote, so it would be a mistake to write him off completely. Remember only last November, Kapanke came a few points from unseating seven-term congressional incumbent Ron Kind.
Harsdorf won handily in the bad Republican year of 2008 (56.4%), suggesting that she may have a reservoir of goodwill to draw upon, and the district is generally a bit more Republican than the rest of the state. She will be a formidable opponent.
I would make the case for the others but I have a job to go to in the morning and I need to get other work done first. Hope this helps clear this up for you, let me know what you think? Take care.
Shiva (Moderator)
May. 26th, 2011 at 12:25 am
Unfortunately Walker and the GOP senate in Wisconsin’s actions throws all the Bush McCain stuff out the window. Using your logic they never should have gotten the signatures to recall the senators. The game has changed. The worm has turned
Aaron
May. 26th, 2011 at 12:48 am
Shiva, really? So what is the logic with the Dems up for recall? How did those signatures occur, oh yeah, it was fraud right? You and Sarah still ignore the obvious, Kloppenburg/Prosser was intended to be the pt. at which the “turn” is marked. The election was billed as a repeal of Walker and the current administration… well despite huge huge turnout for Kloppenburg it didn’t happen. What will happen when the colleges are out of session during the recalls, I will tell you, the big boost Kloppenburg enjoyed will not be there, not to mention she only had 51%, 51%, 58% in the recall elections. My opinion is that this is hardly an indicator of a big swing. Just saying you might have to eat crow.
Sarah Jones
May. 26th, 2011 at 12:59 am
Aaron, you are either unaware of the context or you are ignoring it. This race was supposed to be a shoe-in for Prosser, the incumbent. No one knew Kloppenburg. It was its own election – no big election on the ballot. The fact that it was close and that the numbers turned in red districts is not a good thing. This is just reality, not fantasy – but as I said before, believe what you want.
The latest polls show Walker would lose badly in a recall against Russ F. As for the recalls of the state reps, you aren’t comparing apples to apples here. You are trying to apply ratios for a race that SHOULD have gone to Prosser by 70% (est) before the Republicans pulled their stunts to other elections.
The recalls won’t be easy on either side. But the polls show that the GOP is more vulnerable, as do the amount of signatures collected. It will depend on who is running against these folks as well.
Aaron
May. 26th, 2011 at 9:30 pm
Sarah we can agree to disagree, I think past elections are relevant, and the fact that Kloppenburg was so close is reality but also very telling. There was a strong push, no doubt, however I do not believe the momentum will not be able to be sustained until the recalls. Voter fatigue is also a reality, for both sides.
There might be a second wind for conservatives if Kloppenburg decides to delay things further by going to court. However it goes, I do not think I am off, you may be correct that Prosser would normally have recieved 70% But the ratios I applied are a reflection of what the race was billed as “ANTI WALKER< ETC" this sentiment was evident and often spoken about in the news and on the web,… especially when the AP numbers came out showing and initial lead for Kloppenburg. The vote was not about judicial credentials, abilities, or history on the bench.. it was all about the collective bargaining and repudiation of Walker and you know it.
Democrats would normally have voted for Prosser but they didn't, hence why he would have been near 70% in a normal election, but this was not a normal election and to ignore that is to be intellectually dishonest.
I agree recall results will depend upon opponents, we will just have to wait and see. I wouldn't trust the polling as the only indicator of what to expect. One thing, Finngold is not going to run for Gov. he will try to be Jr. senator to Johnson but will lose to Kanavas. Super early prediction I know but just putting it out there.