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The Value Voters Summit Was An All-Inclusive Un-American Hate Group
It is nearly a certainty that no human being takes any course of action without reason, and in most cases what influences attitudes and behavior are a person’s values, or their sense of right and wrong based on consistent principles. Just because a person, or a group, has values, it does not mean their sense of right and wrong is beneficial for the greater good, and indeed, there are examples of men like Adolf Hitler whose values wreaked havoc on the entire world. In recent American history, neo-conservatives with values aligned with George W. Bush used lies and deceit to embroil this country in two long-term wars against Muslim nations, and for the past year and eight months, Republicans with Christian values spent the entire 112th congress attacking women, gays, and preventing economic recovery.
Over the weekend in Washington D.C., various Republicans took turns addressing the Values Voters Summit (VVS), and true to its name, participants met to promote their values that have earned some of the Summit’s sponsor’s designation as hate groups. The meeting was hosted by the Family Research Council’s FRCAction, and sponsored by the American Family Association that are both anti-gay groups, and according to the Southern Poverty Law Center, certified hate groups. Other anti-gay organizations participating in the VVS were Jerry Falwell’s Liberty University, American Values, The Heritage Foundation, and Liberty Counsel that links anti-gay, anti-women, anti-Islam, and anti-Black hate groups to the values embraced by the VVS. The summit is a hate group, and although its featured speaker, Paul Ryan, claimed he took an oath to defend and support the Constitution and not the government, he endorsed the group’s patently unconstitutional agenda of denying all Americans their rights guaranteed in the United States Constitution.
The 14th amendment says “no State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.” The Values Voters Summit is predicated on supporting legislation with the intent purpose of depriving women, gays, and non-Christians liberty and equal protection under the law by virtue of their interpretation of the Christian bible. When speakers were not denigrating President Obama for not following their biblical edicts, cowboy diplomacy, and trickle-down economic theory, they demonized African Americans, women, LGBT people, and thanks to an American’s hate-inspired anti-Islam video, Muslims.
For the past four days, Willard Romney contended the Obama Administration apologized for American values, and he cemented his support for the VVS values of hate and went so far as to thank them for their “leadership” in propagating hate against Americans who do not subscribe to evangelical fanaticism. Romney thanked the “summit” for bringing people together to discuss “vital issues that affect our country and our families.” Romney said Americans are people who cling to religion and the Constitution, and that they want a president who shares their “respect for traditional values” that defend marriage, understand strong families, and believe “those who wait until they are 21 before they marry and have their first child” will be less likely to be poor. Romney was not describing American values; he was endorsing religious right values founded on the bible and in direct opposition to the 14th Amendment guarantee that all Americans enjoy the Constitution’s promise of life and liberty based on equal protection of the laws, not Christian’s prescription for living.
Romney endorsing and thanking a hate organization was the culmination of a steady stream of speakers who took turns assailing President Obama for myriad sleights of their imagination. Michele Bachmann attacked the President for being “the most dangerous president we have ever had on American foreign policy,” and claimed he “ceded to the demands of an Islamist organization and the Muslim Brotherhood,” and mandated that all U.S. security agents, including the military and FBI, be “brainwashed in political correctness toward Islam.” Another speaker, Gary Bauer, who accused the President of “forcing gay marriage on this country,” made an overtly racist assertion that “President Obama’s voters are mostly welfare recipients and dead voters in cities with large Black populations.” Eric Cantor said “only traditional marriage allows for the pursuit of happiness,” and another Republican told the audience that “Planned Parenthood is a racist organization.” The only value evident at the VVS besides hate was mendacity based on their incessant lies about President Obama.
It was Paul Ryan though, who made the greatest reach in portraying events in the Middle East a direct result of President Obama’s foreign policy, and said he needed to exercise American influence (read military force) to overcome evil and violence. Ryan claimed the President was responsible for the “slaughter of brave dissidents in Syria, mobs storming American embassies and consulates, Iran gaining a nuclear weapon, and that he treated Israel with indifference bordering on contempt.” Ryan did not fail to bring god into the picture and decried the government, and the Constitution, when he claimed “our rights come from nature’s God, not from government,” and that the administration is taking the country toward growing government, disregard for rights, and “a country where everything is free but us.” Ryan also made the outrageous assertion that President Obama stands for an absolute, unqualified right to abortion at any time, under any circumstances, and at taxpayer expense.
The Values Voters Summit was not an expression of American values or a representation of the Constitution’s guarantee of freedom and equal rights. It was the Republican vision of a theocracy where only white heterosexual couples adhering to fanatical Christian values and anti-government sentiments were real Americans, and any variation was an abomination before god. The summits’ speakers spared no demographic from their hate and it informs why the Republican presidential ticket is antagonistic to African Americans, gays, non-Christians, women, the poor, and any American who does not subscribe to fanatical Christianity. If there was only one message to take away from the weekend summit, it was that the VVS is indeed an all-inclusive hate group that does not represent America or the Constitution, but they do adhere closely to the foundations of neo-conservatism and religious extremism. As a set of consistent values and measures, The Values Voters Summit has more in common with neo-Nazi fascism than it does American values and they are undoubtedly the Republican Party of Willard Romney and Paul Ryan.
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Mary
Sep. 16th, 2012 at 10:28 am
This was a gathering of many domestic terrorist groups. Their agenda is to take over this country and force their hatefilled agenda on everyone.We the patriots of this country will not allow them to do that.
Reynardine
Sep. 16th, 2012 at 10:29 am
The first time I was directed towards this site, it was through a link from an article on the Gabby Giffords shooting/Tucson massacre. The topics have varied in the year and three quarters since, but it boils down to this: there are those who want to control, punish, and plunder at all costs, and are willing to implement any scheme and tell any lie to do so, and those of us who don’t want them to. And there are, out there, a great many frightened people who don’t know who to listen to, but they want solutions. False solutions sound simple. Ones that work are more complex. That is our problem in being heard, but we must be heard.
Older_Wiser
Sep. 16th, 2012 at 11:31 am
This is a spot-on post. It’s what we’re up against and what should take down the Republican Party, but probably won’t, considering the state of affairs we’re trying to get through without starting another World War.
Jill
Sep. 16th, 2012 at 11:33 am
This is hard to believe that a political party can get away saying all these hate filled lies…and violence…they are the American Taliban!!!! They border on treason!!!!
Mark
Sep. 16th, 2012 at 11:35 am
Is the GOP turning into the KKK?
Sandra
Sep. 16th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
Worse Mark..the KKK only focussed on AAs and I’m not condoning their evil as I’m biracial. This hatefilled group is out to destroy, maim and murder any and every American who does not capitulate to their belief system of hate, intolerance, fear, racism and bigotry.
The fact that their views are against the Constitution and the founding fathers’ vision of an America for everyone regardless of ethinicity(race) religion and socio-economic situation is beyond their understanding.
They are not just a hate group but AntiAmerican as well and should be called out and condemmed for their hateful, intolerant speeches on every new media not just blogs.
A Walkaway
Sep. 16th, 2012 at 5:58 pm
Wrong.
We have a saying in our tribe… “In black yards, the Klan burns crosses. In Indian yards, they burn FAMILIES!” I’ve met elders and ancients who named entire portions of their families who had been burned alive by the Klan, when they had been found out. That’s why we have such a problem with “passing” and identity today, because it was so damned dangerous CLEAR INTO THE 1970s to be found out (I didn’t have a clue I was part Indian until I was in my late 30s – family secret, because of that).
I’ve been to ceremony where many of my people were armed, because we’d been warned that the Klan was going to try to shoot us up. They backed down and didn’t bother us. As long as we have even a reasonable chance of defending ourselves, their cowardice keeps them away.
They also hate Jews and now that they’re on the radar, Muslims. Latinos and Asian-Americans have also come into their crosshairs.
The fact is, the Klan is actually about maintaining the status quo. They want African Americans “in their place”, they want my people just GONE, and the rich sitting on the wealth of everyone else. As long as African Americans are subservient and submissive, and don’t try to be better than any “white person”, they don’t care about them. We’re a threat because most of us (as long as the individuals don’t have much African “blood” and pretty much stay out of the sun) can “pass”. Indeed, I’ve heard that a significant portion of the Klan in the southeast are actually American Indian families… hiding in plain sight.
I wouldn’t be a bit surprised to learn that some of the big name politicians, especially the more militant “Good Christian” ones, were actually in the Klan.
Yogi29073
Sep. 16th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
Our nation was founded on religious FREEDOM.The Constitution was designed to be very weary of any religious influences on our government.
Both the 1st and 14th Amendments were written to prevent religious Zealots,(Think Federalist party during Jefferson’s Presidency) from attempting to establish a specific state religion for this nation.
We, as a nation, now face a much more dangerous threat to our secular freedoms by a GOP that says one thing: smaller government, less intrusion in our specific lives, and is hell bent on doing the exact opposite: Anti Abortion laws, specific laws about marriage and gays and establishing candidates based on their specific religious beliefs (which is very Unconstitutional)all which do the exact opposite of what they say.
The SPLC has designated the FRC and the AFA as “Hate Groups” for the hate speech and uncompromising way in which they criminalize a gay lifestyle, and use the Bible to beat out that hateful message. It is because of the hateful way they express these views that the SPLC says these two groups are hate groups. In my opinion, a correct designation.
We, as voters have a clear choice as to what we want our next government to be: One in which God and the Christen Bible is our governing direction, or, a secular government in which freedom from religious extremism is our guiding direction.
I believe in God, and try and make decision based on a spiritual solutions, but there are certain things that have radically changed in this world due to civilizations understanding of the human condition. Slavery is just one of a plethora of attitudes we have changed.
There is no threat or danger posed by a homosexual lifestyle, and just as attitudes about slavery have changed, so do attitudes about same sex marriage need to change.
Hiding behind an ancient holy book, using sin as the bases to deny a lifestyle that has been going on since we walked upright is dangerous! What else can they outlaw next?
Our very freedoms are at…
Shiva (Moderator)
Sep. 16th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
The nation was not founded on religious freedom.
The pilgrims came here for religious freedoms, and if you really read history other things.
However there were 150 years between them coming here and this nation being “founded” for entirely different reasons. One being English taxation
Yogi29073
Sep. 16th, 2012 at 11:55 pm
I am very well versed in History, and am well aware of the Pilgrims plight from religious oppression.
The Continental Congress, along with all the compromise necessary to arrive at our Constitution and Bill of Rights had a great deal written about the influence of religion in politics in Europe and how our founding fathers wanted that to be avoided in the founding of our nation.
There were varied reasons for our nation being founded, one of which was religious freedom, another being getting out from the English Crown, another taxation, I could go on, but I find the remark “was not founded on religious freedom” disingenuous, and your criticism uninformed!
We both comment in this forum, I would suggest comments like “if you really read history” not be used. I am sure, since you have read many of my posts, that you are well aware of my historical background and knowledge. Criticize, but don’t belittle, it does not suit you…or me!!!
Shiva (Moderator)
Sep. 17th, 2012 at 5:28 am
This country was not founded on religious freedom. Certainly people came here 150 years prior to our actually formally creating our form of government to get away from religious persecution, but 150 years later and in a country that was totally intolerant of several religions, religious freedom was not a driving force
You should also know then, that the reason the pilgrims came here is not really about what the history books tell you. Read deeper, some of the people on the Mayflower didnt even want to land here because they didnt have the Kings permission.
Yogi29073
Sep. 17th, 2012 at 7:59 am
One of the reasons I read history is because “Real” history, actual facts and events are not always included in the History books.
You and I could argue this for days, but the fact remains that this country’s founders were very aware of the prejudices of the European Religions Wars and were very mindful of how destructive those prejudices were.
What we face today is a Hate Fest of Value Voters Conference that wants a state religion and our founding fathers were against that in more ways then I can count. Religious freedom is a corner stone of this country, and the hate fest of VVC is an anathema to that Constitutional Principle. As far as I am concerned, this country was found for a myriad of reasons, and Religious freedom was one of the most outstanding ones since the First Amendment clearly states we shall make no state religion.
BTW, that criticism I find acceptable. We can agree to disagree…in a civil and intelligent way Shiva. I read a lot of what you wright, and some of it is way out there,(my opinion) and some of it is right on. I don’t mind having disagreements pointed out, but in the way of the second comment, NOT the first.
majii
Sep. 16th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
It’s ironic to me that the people who attend the VVS and the organizations that are a part of it tell Americans to fear those of us who are really fighting for their rights. That these people/organizations use religion to promote their hatred of others means that they have a reserved spot waiting for them in Hades, imo.
Sally
Sep. 16th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
Bravo for shedding light on this despicable bunch of rich white men who are anything BUT Christian. I have never read such racist hate in my life. All these needed was the white robes and hoods, and a cross to burn. Newsflash to anyone still blind enough to think the GOP has anything positive to offer you or this nation: they do not. They want a white theocract where the rich get richer and the poor die. God is so proud.
Tim
Sep. 16th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
I have been a recipient of FRC’s email for years. I subscribed out of an interest in the opponent.
Their interest, politics and policy’s are confused from week to week, making it clear that like the Mormon church, who has spent millions opposing gay marriage, they are not actually committed to the issues they pursue by any moral compass or sense of values.
These groups have one purpose, making money.
Political operatives will tell you that if the Mormons spent 40 million on prop 8 in California they took in 80 to 90 million in contributions in that fight. Making the gays, once again, very profitable.
Selling snake oil to folks who cannot read the ingredients list is a successful business model in America and the FRC is in the snake oil business.
Jo Hargis
Sep. 17th, 2012 at 11:17 am
Tim, spot on. We’ve all known since this started that they use religion and the power of fear mongering and hate to rile up the base. They do it because it works, because it appeals to a certain base that is fairly uneducated and uninformed, and because it appeals to a segment that indeed IS racist, and believe me, it is NOT just southern states. I know people from Ohio who are as racist as they come. So, when you reach the bottom line, it’s about money, control and power, and they use religion to accomplish their goals. In all seriousness, this election is the closest we have ever come to the verge of a theocracy, if people don’t wake up and see what is happening. People don’t see the possible consequences of letting these people get into power. I’m not even so sure the majority of them actually hate gays, blacks, latinos, etc. What they hate are the ones that won’t vote for them and allow them the power they want. The power to control the masses. Yes, there are some fundie extremists who actually believe the complete CRAP they spew, like Bachmann, Santorum, Ryan. They’re actually much more dangerous than the rest for the simple fact that they DO believe this stuff. Bachmann certainly has never tried to hide the fact that she despises gays; she has advocated for the criminalization of homosexuality. We’ve seen the GOP advocate for abolishing the civil rights act and the voting rights act. This is all for power.
This election is a power grab, an attempted coup. I’ve been saying this for three years at least. We have people like Grover Norquist working to accomplish this…does anyone really think he actually believes all this religious extremism crap? Nah, he’s all about power, but he’s more than willing to use religion to get his power. His own wife is Muslim, a fact the GOP is quite willing to let fly under the radar because it suits their purposes.
Pam Miner
Sep. 16th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
This hate group (GOP) has divided my family. I really hate that. Some simply follow their every thought. I think that Fox news should be taken off the air, it spreads these lies like a disease. Also, I’ve not helped but notice they betray Jesus words and actions. I don’t know why they can’t see that.
We all Have to vote in this election because they are cheating so badly that it’s going to be close. God knows why, but it will be.
I don’t see how a group so extremely anti-American can make it here. It really is like they have been brainwashed. Thanks for this article.
Steve
Sep. 16th, 2012 at 6:00 pm
” I think that Fox news should be taken off the air…” What about freedom of the press? Who should “take them off” and how and why? I WISH they were not on the air, but that will only happen when they do not have enough viewers to make money.
Shiva (Moderator)
Sep. 16th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
And thats how you take them off the air.
A Walkaway
Sep. 16th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
A truth in reporting law (with REALLY stiff penalties for knowingly spewing lies or half-truths meant to support a lie) would go a long way toward cleaning up American mass media.
Reynardine
Sep. 16th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
Cable is a murky legal area, but broadcast frequencies are public airwaves and required to be operating in the public interest. Strict enforcement would take Fox RIGHT off the air.
D. W. Skinner
Sep. 16th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
If it’s VILE…. It’s REPUBLICAN!
Mike Holland
Sep. 16th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
Spot on and thank you for reporting. I didn’t even know about this insanity.
However – can we stay away from name-calling? They’re no “neo-Nazis.” They are reprehensible to the word, but they are not advocating the slaughter of 6,000,000, and 25,000,000 people more as did the Nazis. The label “Nazi” is too often used when name-calling, and makes progressives sound hysterical and emotional. Let’s stick with the facts, and leave the name calling for the other party. Peace!
A Walkaway
Sep. 16th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
If the people at that summit get their way, they will make the Nazis look like pikers.
They are that evil, and that dangerous.
Mike Holland
Sep. 16th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
@A Walkaway – calling people Nazis minimizes what happened to Europeans during WWII. These politicians we’re afraid of and despise are, yes, very scary and need to be held accountable to their ridiculous ideologies. But name-calling – especially calling people Nazis – does not help our cause. It makes us sound just like ‘them.’ And that’s my point. I do not want to sound ‘like them.’ They are nuts and emotional. I’d like to think that progressives are rational, factual, and have credibility. Throwing that Nazi word around just sounds hysterical and juvenile.
Reynardine
Sep. 16th, 2012 at 8:55 pm
In fact, Mike, there are some stunning parallels, even to the language and propaganda techniques used, as well as certain platform elements. This isn’t Ike’s Republican Party. These are the Partysnatchers, and I have little doubt about what they would do if unchecked. Patrick Henry advised us to know the worst and prepare for it. If things turn out better, that’s so much gravy.
Jo Hargis
Sep. 17th, 2012 at 11:53 am
To elaborate on what Reynardine said, YES there are stunning parallels. Here’s a short list, and you can see the full description at the link at bottom. If anyone can’t see the parallels, they’re deluding themselves. Points 8-14 in next post. People need to get out of the mindset that this cannot happen in the good ol’ US. In fact, we’re way too close for comfort.
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14 POINTS OF FASCISM
1. Powerful and continuing expressions of nationalism – flags, lapel pins, catchy slogans, suspicion of things foreign, xenophobia.
2. Disdain for the importance of human rights – propaganda, marginalizing and demonizing target groups such as LGBT, minorities, women.
3. Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause – propaganda and disinformation against target groups, making them scapegoats, often involves attacks against those targets (war on women, anyone?) such as women, LGBT, minorities (harsh immigration tactics, voter disenfranchisement).
4. The supremacy of the military/avid militarism – A disproportionate share of national resources allocated to the military, even when domestic needs were acute. The military was seen as an expression of nationalism.
5. Rampant sexism – male-dominated, women as second-class citizens, adamantly anti-abortion and homophobic. Attitudes codified in Draconian laws.
6. A controlled mass media – primarily Fox News, also blogs, etc.
7. Obsession with national security – disproportionate focus on national security; questioning its activities was portrayed as unpatriotic or even treasonous.
www.ellensplace.net/fasci...
Jo Hargis
Sep. 17th, 2012 at 11:56 am
Continuation….
8. Religion and ruling elite tied together – attached themselves to the predominant religion of the country, portray themselves as militant defenders of that religion. Perception that opposing the power elite was tantamount to an attack on religion.
9. Power of corporations protected – The ruling elite saw the corporate structure as a way to not only ensure military production, but also as an additional means of social control especially in the repression of the “have-nots”.
10. Power of labor suppressed or eliminated – organized labor seen as the one power center that challenges the ruling elite and its corporate allies, it was inevitably crushed or made powerless. The poor formed an underclass, viewed with suspicion or outright contempt. Under some regimes, being poor was considered akin to a vice.
11. Disdain and suppression of intellectuals and the arts – Intellectual and academic freedom were considered subversive to national security and the patriotic ideal. Unorthodox ideas or expressions of dissent were strongly attacked, silenced, or crushed. To these regimes, art and literature should serve the national interest or they had no right to exist.
12. Obsession with crime and punishment – Draconian systems of criminal justice with huge prison populations. The police were glorified and had almost unchecked power, leading to rampant abuse.
13. Rampant cronyism and corruption – Those in business circles and close to the power elite often used their position to enrich themselves. This corruption worked both ways; the power elite would receive financial gifts and property from the economic elite, who in turn would gain the benefit of government favoritism.
14. Fraudulent elections -maintaining control of the election machinery, intimidating and disenfranchising opposition voters, destroying or disallowing legal votes, and, as a last resort, turning to a judiciary beholden to the power elite
www.ellensplace.net/fasci...
A Walkaway
Sep. 16th, 2012 at 10:22 pm
I’m not name-calling, I’m making valid comparisons and comments. If the Republican party does things that are similar to the Nazis, well, they can bear the stigma too.
BTW… I know a bit about the suffering under Hitler, and a whole lot more about the suffering of my own people under American boots – I’ve experienced discrimination and racism first-hand, after learning about my heritage and it becoming public knowledge (and that happened in the mid 90s). In a very real sense I’d been experiencing it all my life. So don’t start about denigrating what the Europeans went through.
You’re starting to sound a little like one of the people who kept saying “Don’t use the word CULT”… and as it turned out, the originators of that were pundits paid by “Reverend” Moon (good riddance) to try to get the word from being used so people wouldn’t think so badly of his cult. The word cult is and was appropriate for groups like his, the dominionists, and the Mormons (and others). They are CULTS. As in coercive, mind and thought control based organizations. Yet I still “hear” from someone who doesn’t want that word used. Too bad.
The Republicans can be compared in ways to the Nazis. Note that I’m not saying they ARE Nazis, but there are some striking similarities, as has been pointed out on this blog.
Think about that, and about the ersatz opposition to the word cult.
Jo Hargis
Sep. 17th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
Just another point. I noticed someone mentioned “they’re not advocating for the slaughter of millions”. I think this is splitting hairs, in a way. Think about Ryan’s plan, harshly denounced by the Catholic Church as harsh and cruel. Does anyone not understand that under Ryan’s plan as he would have it, thousands of people, most especially the elderly, disabled and children, are going to suffer and there will be many thousands of deaths?
Get your head out of the sand, if you have it there. These people seeking power do not see us as anything other than a means to an end, expendable, and collateral damage in their quest to gain power.
zumpie
Sep. 16th, 2012 at 11:22 pm
I watched part of Hitler Youth Paulie speech on MSNBC until I could no longer take it. My favorite part was when he whined about how because of the Prez, they “aren;t free”. I get that’s a teatard greatest hit, but DUDE, how exactly are you not “free”???? Your little hate filled pander to your Nazi faithful demonstrates freedom of speech and assembly.
Mike Holland
Sep. 17th, 2012 at 10:06 pm
I’m not being sarcastic here – I LOVE YOU JO HARGIS! You represent the best of intellectual scrutiny, thoughtful comparison, and rigorous understanding. This is the best of progressivism. You were NOT NOT NOT name calling. You were being informative, expository, and sound. And this is EXACTLY my point. Jo Hargis showed point by point that this political faction is exhibiting characteristics consistent with Fascism. If these peeps are Fascists, then that’s what they are.
My point is that the word NAZI has a lot, a lot, a lot emotion behind it, and everybody – right wing and left – uses the word to villainize the opposite side. Bush was called a Nazi. People are actually calling Obama a Nazi (WTF?). There’s a lot of baggage with that word. It’s just inflammatory, and when it’s used, whoever is using it sounds like a neophyte, throwing rocks at the moon. Fascism, however, is a political philosophy exhibited by beliefs, etc.
I’m not saying the Tea Party shouldn’t be held accountable for their hateful and nonsensical beliefs. What I’m saying is that name-calling just makes the name-caller look hysterical and overly emotional. And I hope to think the hallmark of the progressive is unrelenting search of the truth, and protection of the freedoms of all.
I feel like I’ve opened up a can of worms here. I really don’t think I have my head in the sand when I say that name-calling makes a person sound silly. Kids on playgrounds throw names at each other. Adults should leave name-calling in their youths, and instead focus on how fascism cannot be tolerated.
Well, that did not in any way get one worm back in the can. But I hope somebody gets what I’m trying to say….. oi
Magdalena
Sep. 21st, 2012 at 6:52 pm
I found this read very worth while and necessary. We progressives are having very significant dialogues that show the opposition that we are educated informed (and will not allow them to win.) These characteristics are a the very top of the Republican agenda to dismiss and control. As long as we can keep these “talks” going we will defeat the opposition at their very game. The average supporter of the Republican party are uneducated and ignorant to the real issues. They are taught to blindly believe and follow without questioning. That’s why I believe progressives are such a threat to extremists.