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Recall Fraud: Wisconsin Democrats Accuse Republicans of Vote Tampering
As Yogi Berra once said it’s déjà vu all over again as for Wisconsin Democrats as they allege that the Waukesha County clerk is once again tampering with votes to hand an election to the Republicans.
Here is the statement of Democratic Party of Wisconsin Chair Mike Tate,
The race to determine control of the Wisconsin Senate has fallen in the hands of the Waukesha County clerk, who has already distinguished herself as incompetent, if not worse. She is once more tampering with the results of a consequential election and in the next hours we will determine our next course of action. For now, Wisconsin should know that a dark cloud hangs over these important results.
Nate Silver of 538 projected that in the critical District 8 race the incumbent Darling will finish 1,800 votes ahead of the Democratic challenger Pasch, but the Silver also said that based on his modeling Democrats would be crazy not move forward with a recall of Scott Walker. He found that the race would be a tossup.
Since George W. Bush and his Florida shenanigans in 2000, it has become the norm for one side or another to allege fraud in every close election. This habit is nothing more that the collective psychological damage and distrust that the results of the 2000 election left us with, but in Wisconsin the skepticism is merited.
According to MSNBC’s Ed Schultz, two Senate Democrats are calling for an investigation into the District 8 race, and to be quite honest there should have been a federal investigation into Nicholas after the Wisconsin Supreme Court election where she “found” the votes that reelected Justice and noted strangler of his colleagues on the bench Justice David Prosser.
If there is even a hint of possible fraud or corruption an investigation must be conducted. The Democratic must push for an end to what looks like an organized effort to corrupt the democratic process in Wisconsin. All the activists who gave their time and money to the recall effort should work just as hard to ensure that the elections in this country are clean and fair. Most importantly, the people of Wisconsin must demand honest elections.
The results tonight should provide encouragement to Democrats. They did pick up two seats in Republican districts. They have demonstrated that they have at least even odds of recalling Scott Walker, but if the people of Wisconsin are going to have any chance of taking their state back from the Koch brothers, they must demand that the election system in Wisconsin be cleaned up.
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Jim
Aug. 10th, 2011 at 2:04 am
Shocking no one!
The Platzner Post
Aug. 10th, 2011 at 2:30 am
It’s déjà vu all over again!!!
Erwin
Aug. 10th, 2011 at 3:30 am
Nothing surprises me anymore. With all the money the Republicans poured in to Wisconsin, they should’ve won by a landslide. But they didn’t!
Judy
Aug. 10th, 2011 at 6:41 am
I just hope they prove fraud with a recount. American Action Network is already at work in Indiana.
Susan
Aug. 10th, 2011 at 6:41 am
It is beyond sickening to me that this blatantly incompetent and likely illegal voting system has been allowed to continue. Nickolas clearly held onto releasing Waukesha’s count so she could calculate what to report in order to win. I bet Walker & Prosser were a phone call away telling her they had her back.
boil
Aug. 10th, 2011 at 7:26 am
diebold, we vote so you dont have to.
novenator
Aug. 10th, 2011 at 7:37 am
Waukesha County Clerk Kathy Nickolaus AGAIN?! How can this crook keep her job? She’s been up to no good for YEARS, how can she be allowed to still be in charge of something as sensitive as an election? waukesha.patch.com/articl...
I wonder how many votes she “found” this time? crooksandliars.com/breaki...
hairho
Aug. 10th, 2011 at 10:15 am
“The ones who vote decide nothing. The ones who count the votes decide everything”….Josef Stalin
AFM
Aug. 10th, 2011 at 1:35 pm
Republicans across this great state are surpressing votes of democratics yet they are the ones who keep saying democratics are cheating. Facts don’t matter I guess.
Reynardine
Aug. 10th, 2011 at 3:51 pm
Republican accusations of voter fraud? It’s called DARVO- Deny, Accuse, Reverse Victim and Offender. Every abuser does it, and nine out of ten get away with it.
Gimmeabreak
Aug. 10th, 2011 at 1:45 pm
The want a “hint” of fraud?
How about repetition?
KevinC
Aug. 10th, 2011 at 4:08 pm
A testament to the axiom “people will believe what they want to believe.” This article doesn’t even provide the grounds for any suspicion. This is the kind of blind, unsubstantiated disdain that the residents of Wisconsin have had to deal with time and time again, and we have dealt with it time and time again, victory after victory. They couldn’t do it with Kloppenburg, couldn’t do it with the recall of senators. The silent majority in the state has spoken again. The power is not yours anymore. Deal with it.
Shiva (Moderator)
Aug. 10th, 2011 at 4:23 pm
actually the recall of two Senators was pretty darn good. And when companies start figuring out that they do not have to compete with unions, they will also stop giving benefits and wage increases. The Republican agenda in Wisconsin is self-defeating.
k. williamson
Aug. 10th, 2011 at 6:14 pm
Give me a break!! Sounds like pure sour grapes. Dems did not get their way and now throw accusations of fraud around. It’s amazing to me that the Dems worry so much about disenfranchising their voter base with the onset of voter ID and yet they continue to want to disenfranchise an entire county because they vote Republican.
Our state is fiscally in better shape now than anytime that Democratic Doyle ruled. Face it – fiscal responsibility is finally here!!!
Shiva (Moderator)
Aug. 10th, 2011 at 6:32 pm
KInda like that surplus you had when Walker took over but dont have now cause you gave it to corporations as tax breaks?
k. williamson
Aug. 10th, 2011 at 7:38 pm
There was no surplus. Doyle raided other funds to finance his ridiculous budget and we all have suffered. All I know is that my taxes did not go up, my school system does not only have NO deficit but has extra funds AND did not lay off any teachers, and now public employees now have realistic benefits morein line with the rest of us.
As for giving tax breaks to corporations – its the economy stupid!!! If we do not make our state economically viable to big corporations they will leave for greener pastures. My husband’s company has been courted by a number of southern states who offer better tax breaks and cheaper costs. If giving corporations in Wisconsin tax breaks that keep them and their jobs here in WIsconsin – I say YES!!!
Shiva (Moderator)
Aug. 10th, 2011 at 7:43 pm
You had a surplus when Walker came in. And YOU have to make up for those tax breaks sooner or later.
BTW, why is it that people support the filthy rich saying if they can make it its ok, yet when middle class people try to make a good living they have to be on the same terms as you?
k. williamson
Aug. 10th, 2011 at 9:49 pm
I AM a middle class person. In fact, I am a teacher. My husband works for a corporation that is run by a very hard working family who built their business up from nothing. They now get the label of “filthy rich” as though somehow working hard and being successful is evil.
The irony is that you complain about middle class people being criticised for trying to make good – yeah, by liberal democrats!! What pisses me off is that in the world of the liberal democrats success is bad and must be punished. As my husband and I work hard and become more successful (make more money) we then become the “evil rich” who somehow are responsible for all the world’s woes. We already pay more than our fair share of taxes, are not eligible for any kind of federal help of any kind, have NO pension other than our 401k’s, and pay approximately 24% of our health care costs. Yet, in democrat world, as our income creeps up we are then told to pay more – our fair share as if we got ahead by evil and unfair means. Our hard work and years of sacrifice are completely dismissed.
Do not complain to me about the middle class being held down – it’s the liberal democrats who label you “filthy” when you finally become financially successful!
Shiva (Moderator)
Aug. 10th, 2011 at 10:05 pm
No, the dems dont criticise the middle class, they criticise the fact that the filthy rich are not taxed
And you are NOT “financially successful” if you are in the middle class. You are just the middle class like everyone else. The Dems dont criticise the middle class.
You are very confused.
k. williamson
Aug. 10th, 2011 at 10:42 pm
You are the one who is confused. Of course the dems don’t dare criticise the middle class – they just criticise anyone who manages to work their way up from there! And the old adage that the “filthy ” rich need to pay more is complete bunk.
Check the statistics: The latest data show that a big portion of the federal income tax burden is shouldered by a small group of the very richest Americans. The wealthiest 1 percent of the population earn 19 percent of the income but pay 37 percent of the income tax. The top 10 percent pay 68 percent of the tab. Meanwhile, the bottom 50 percent—those below the median income level now earn 13 percent of the income but pay just 3 percent of the taxes. These are proportions of the income tax alone and don’t include payroll taxes for Social Security and Medicare.
My point is that I may be middle class now (even upper middle class by some measures) but some day I intend to be “filthy rich.” My husband and I are doing this through hard work, sacrifice, and sticking to a well designed plan to get ahead. The irony is that as we achieve our goals we suddenly will become the “bad guys”. For all their touting of wanting to support the middle class, in liberal democrat world, financial success is a bad thing. After all, if everyone managed to get ahead there would be no need for the democrats with their agenda of keeping people enabled in order to keep themselves relevant!
neil
Aug. 10th, 2011 at 10:55 pm
You really gotta stop sniffing glue before you type responses.I hope you end up broke and find out what your desperate support of these companies and turtle walker gets you.
k. williamson
Aug. 10th, 2011 at 11:32 pm
typical liberal response. No substance
Shiva (Moderator)
Aug. 10th, 2011 at 11:35 pm
What you are forgetting here is, most very rich people pay an average of 20% tax rate. The middle class pays higher taxes and it hurts them more.
And shouldnt the fact that 20% of Americans are paying the most taxes ring a alert bell in your head? Doesnt that tell you something is very wrong?
I doubt it. And stop pretending your the only ones that work hard. Everyone works hard. And I sincerely doubt you will ever be filthy rich, although you fit the temperament for it. Its called f*ck the other people.
k. williamson
Aug. 10th, 2011 at 11:56 pm
That’s exactly what I mean – I work hard and achieve financial success and you automatically decide that it’s because I f**ked over someone. That is the very attitude I have been talking about!!! Being successful is not bad.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to be rich. I would love to retire to a lovely beachfront home and relax with my grandkids some day. What is wrong with that? Why do you assume that wanting to be wealthy is bad???? (and temperament– what the heck does that mean?) Again, this is exactly what I am talking about. The hard working middle class person is to be admired but, as soon as she makes it financially she is evil??? Look at the facts – overall, the wealthy pay their fair share of taxes. That they don’t is a huge myth that the dems love to spout. As my finances go up my tax burden has gone up. Where is the evil in this and how am I cheating anybody?
Shiva (Moderator)
Aug. 11th, 2011 at 12:15 am
I never said you f*cked anyone over. I said thats your attitude. You dont want the union people to get ahead but by god you have the right. Sickening
Nothing is wrong with wanting to be rich. However the thing you dont seem to see is the problem of the very rich. The wealthy do NOT pay their fair share at all. I am not talking about the wannabe wealthy like your self who may someday be kinda rich, I am talking about the rich beyond your wildest dreams. That you will never be yet you cry out like you are being persecuted. No one is even talking about people like you.
The wealthy do not come close to paying their fair share. The VERY wealthy, not the wannabes like you. I like to see you cry like you are part of the very wealthy. And yet you support the very party that keep the very wealthy very wealthy and the lower middle class not working. Dont count your chickens before they hatch and stop crying like you are the persecuted. You will never be that wealthy
Val
Aug. 14th, 2011 at 6:53 pm
k.williamson…what planet are you from? Financial success is uppermost in every Liberal mind, just like it is on everybody else’s. What we complain about is when ONLY A FEW people, by subverting elections, are able to get control of ALL the wealth. DeVry family, Koch brothers–pay no taxes. We went from the year 2000 and the biggest surplus this country has ever seen, to the first ever S&P downgrade. But maybe you’re just drunk…
neil
Aug. 10th, 2011 at 10:50 pm
@ K. Williamson,so you and your husband are the only people in the world who work hard?I have news for you there are a lot of hard working people in this world and if they don’t have a union or some type of representation the company will steamroll them.No one minds the idea that companies make money hell that’s what they’re there for but they always get greedy and like to forget about the people who got them there.Democrats don’t try to ruin anyones business they just try to support the middle class.I agree with Shiva you are very confused.Walkers agenda has nothing to do with balancing his budget.It is about squashing unions so he can grab more money for his corporate sponsors so they can get more power and less restraints on their operations.Wake up or there will not be a middle class left and there won’t be any air to breathe or water to drink.
k. williamson
Aug. 10th, 2011 at 11:20 pm
Typical hystrionics. I do not have union representation and I make more as a special ed teacher in my private school than my union represented public counterparts. Why? Because we do not have union dues, and we do not have unions forcing companies to keep incompetent workers on the payroll. Ask any honest union member and they will tell you about the number of idiots who stay on the payroll all because of union pressure.
My husband’s company is not union – they always pay just above the local unionized company and are better for it! They have to abide by OSHA safety rules as well as federally mandated employment rules. What good would a union do for them? It is ignorant to believe that unions are in it for their members – maybe in the old days, but no more. Nowadays the unions are the very big money corporate sponsors that you are railing against!!! They are run by the very rich fat cats that you proclaim to despise!!! As a taxpayer I am tired of being held hostage tho them.
I also have not said or never even alluded to being the only hard working person in the world. What I am saying is that it is hypocritical to criticise everyone who is wealthy as if they are some evil doers who somehow cheated their way to the top. This has nothing to do with economics – its just sour grapes that some people have made it. Check the facts – wealthy people already pay most of the taxes. There are certainly cases of abuse – but there are also cases of welfare abuse and abuse of public assistance programs – yet, we do not criticise all the people on those programs and call them the “filthy” poor now do we?.
Democrats do not like success – it makes them irrelevant!
Shiva (Moderator)
Aug. 10th, 2011 at 11:31 pm
Hilarious
Earlier you said union benefits are now down to being level with yours after Walker and now you say yours are much better. You are confused.
Unions are not involved in safety issues like OSHA is except for in plant safety committees, its apparent you know nothing about union activities.
Maybe you should study what unions are, becuase you are completely lost
BTW, no unions, it wont be long before your husbands company starts backing off on benefits
k. williamson
Aug. 10th, 2011 at 11:48 pm
As for my husband’s company – hasn’t backed off on benefits in over 25 years. Bringing in the unions has been voted down every time because they are not needed – And, I brought up safety because the anti-Walker people have argued that unions are needed to keep people safe and protect their rights etc. So, you just made an even stronger case for union irrelevance if they arenot needed in these areas. My husband earns a good living at his company with no union and with all the rights and safety he needs. Why in hell would he need to start paying some union fat cat?
As for my job – because my employers were not locked into the ridiculous benefits offered to public employees (with NO contribution to pension and No contribution to health care) they could do better with salary.
Shiva (Moderator)
Aug. 11th, 2011 at 12:17 am
Keeping people safe and protecting their rights are two very different things. There are things that OSHA covers and there are things that the Plant safety covers. OSHA does not cover everything. Every plant has its own safety concerns. You know nothing of factorys and shouldn’t talk about them. I spent 40 years in several
arcade
Aug. 10th, 2011 at 11:57 pm
Unions aren’t corporate sponsors, because they are unions, they are sponsored by a collection of workers. Maybe that’s good, maybe bad, but its not corporations. Just because Unions have to use money to lobby, like corporate interests, doesn’t make them corporations. They’d be stupid not to lobby. Are they looking out for worker’s interests any LESS than corporations? Doubtful. I’m glad you have a good situation though. There are a lot of good companies to work for out there.
My wife’s company is not union and they pay OK, but the benefits are so bad that when you factor that in, the pay stinks. Also, through corporate politics, not her performance, she no longer has a job.
I don’t think stupidity has anything to do with union or non-union, just people.
I think the criticism of the wealthy comes from examples like former President Bush, who seemed to not even care that he was making poor decisions, because his family had money. Paris Hilton, is another example. These people are bozos, but what does it matter to them? They’ll be OK. The rest of us, not so much. The growing disparity between rich and poor, the politicians making deals to benefit the rich at our expense, it just looks so bad. Of course there are people who are rich because they worked hard, but there are many who were just born at the right time (aforementioned), thought of a new way to game the system (Derivative market, Madoff), etc… We’ve seen a lot of this. Not sure how excited I am to keep tax cuts for the rich. I could probably stimulate some economy locally buy going out to eat or something, instead of helping some rich guy hand down their inheritance.
Val
Aug. 14th, 2011 at 7:03 pm
Arcade–tax cuts for the rich are an important part of the GOP’s plan to eventually, get rid of Social Security. So are low wages. I live in TX, where the “jobs candidate” Rick Perry, comes from. We used to have a progressive tax system, with everyone paying their fair share–and now we have a regressive one, with the middle class paying their own taxes, as well as those of the rich. But as paychecks diminish–happening this year, in TX there’s very few private jobs over $10/hr–less and less can go into the SS fund.
THAT’S what the push to destroy unions, begun in the Reagan administration, is really all about. Yep–not only the average worker still needs the support & help of a union, but they always will. Hopefully, I’m happy to say that OF COURSE I’M VOTING FOR PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA next year. And for every Democrat that I can find out about (vetting them thru the Internet)…be voting for them too.
neil
Aug. 11th, 2011 at 3:25 am
One last comment on this subject.Consider the plight of coal miners without union representation.The coal companies would literally kill many more miners in the course of a year with workers safety like OSHA and unions forcing them to do the right thing.I realize it’s still pretty bad but can you imagine what it would be like without unions?No I believe the average worker still needs the support and help of a union not just for wages and benefits but safety and work issues as well.
Shiva (Moderator)
Aug. 11th, 2011 at 8:34 am
unions and regulations to a degree are the same thing. Your example of coal mines is a perfect example. If it were not for unions, the only thing coal mines would improve is the ability to get more coal out of the ground. Safety would not be a key item for them even though would be in their best interest to make the mind safe to maximize their output. I live near a coal-fired electricity plant who recently had to put a new stack on to filter out particulates in its output. Without regulations that would be pouring raw coal smoke out of that stack and poisoning the lungs of everyone downstream. There would never be improvement.
Most people who complain about unions have very little knowledge of them and what they have done over the years for workers. It never strikes home until they have a relative who dies in a coal mine and then they want to demand to know why it wasn’t safer. While that is a far-fetched example for many, many have relatives who work in factories who are safer is because of unions and do not have to worry about relatives dying or getting diseases because of where they work