Another Obama Birth Certificate Case Gets Tossed Out of Court

Recently, the 10th Circuit Court of Appeals kicked a law suit brought against the United States by ‘birther’ Stephen Lee Craig. Craig had alleged he was the victim of ‘involuntary expatriation’, because the Congress had failed to define to his satisfaction the term natural born citizen.

My circle of friends has a turn of phrase for the self-styled expert who is bone ignorant on a subject, but does not hesitate to pontificate as if he knew more than he does. That turn of phrase is “I read a book once,” as in the one book, read the one time, (not even the same book several times) providing overarching authority.

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It is a phrase which, in the right company, speaks volumes with a few words. Feel free to adopt the phrase.

Mr. Craig, who was as unwise as to act as his own lawyer – at least, that is my understanding of the term ‘pro se’ – tried to enlist the three appellate judges in his efforts to define the term natural born citizen. You see, Mr. Craig wanted to define the term natural born citizen according to a book The Law of Nations, by Swiss political philosopher, Emmrich de Vattel, an old tome written in 1758:

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“THE Law of Nations, though so noble and important a subject, has not, hitherto, been treated of with all the care it deserves. The greater part of mankind have, therefore, only a vague, a very incomplete, and often even a false notion of it. The generality of writers, and even celebrated authors, almost exclusively confine the name of “Law of Nations” to certain maxims and treatises recognised among nations, and which the mutual consent of the parties has rendered obligatory on them. This is confining within very narrow bounds a law so extensive in its own nature, and in which the whole human race are so intimately concerned; it is, at the same time, a degradation of that law, in consequence of a misconception of its real origin.”

In other words, even de Vattel himself didn’t believe anyone really read the darn thing, despite all of the references to it in his own time. In a new twist on the phrase “I read a book once,” Craig is asserting his meaning of natural born citizen because….wait for it… the founding fathers read a book once, this book, so it must be true that de Vattel’s definition was what the founding fathers had in mind when they wrote the constitution.

Of course, the founding fathers didn’t SAY that, not in so many words. What they did say in very clear words in the very first article of the constitution was that Congress should define citizenship; and Congress did, in numerous pieces of legislation over the years.

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I couldn’t make this up; I have a good imagination, but not THAT good. Right here in comments on Politicususa, birther believers have brought up the Law of Nations, as if it were some kind of final authoritative word on the subject.

I wonder how long before it sinks in just how discredited that argument really is; and how quickly after that another crackpot birther notion takes its place. The kicker is that I doubt that Craig ever read Law of Nations, in translations OR in the original French….which is the best way of course, to understand de Vattel.

“Woe be to him that reads but one book. ”
George Herbert (1593 – 1633)

12 Replies to “Another Obama Birth Certificate Case Gets Tossed Out of Court”

  1. United We Stand — Divided We Fall

    In the late summer of 2009 the United States population is divided into three groups as America teeters on the edge of falling into the abyss.

    The first division (the largest) totally believes the person currently occupying the White House is a natural born citizen despite the fact that the current White House occupant and his supporters have not produced the proper credentials to prove he is a natural born citizen. These persons also dismiss out-of-hand without consideration or investigation any potential legitimate foreign birth certificates related to the person occupying the White House such as the document presented in the courts by Orly Taitz http://orlytaitzesq.com

    The second division does not care where the current occupant of the White House was born and thinks he should remain President of the United States simply because he was “elected.” These persons also dismiss out-of-hand without consideration or investigation any potential legitimate foreign birth certificates related to the person occupying the White House such as the document presented in the courts by Orly Taitz.

    The third division (the smallest) demands that any person occupying the White House must prove they are a natural born citizen with the proper credentials. These persons also demand that if the current occupant of the White House cannot produce the proper credentials, the current occupant must resign immediately or be removed by the courts or legislature as soon as possible. These persons also demand a thorough investigation by a federal court (not public opinion) into any potential legitimate foreign birth certificates related to the person occupying the White House such as the document presented in the courts by Orly Taitz.

    In July of 2009, a mother displayed a copy of a long-form birth certificate for her twin daughters that were born in the same hospital of the current occupant of the White House. The twins were born the day before the alleged birth date of the current occupant of the White House. All he has to do is present an identical certified long-form birth document and every one of the constitutional issues will be resolved. Why is there no transparency and honesty regarding a simple document that is supposedly in the files of the Hawaiian government?

    Reality Check: The United States Constitution has specific requirements for a person to be a U.S. Congressional Representative, Senator and President. The words and phrases in the U.S. Constitution regarding the requirements of electing Congressional Representatives, Senators and Presidents are the realities America has followed since the late 1700s. The U.S. Constitution became a full reality in1789.

    What is the term used in psychiatry when a person or a group of individuals lose contact with a reality that has functioned and been followed for 220 years? The disconnected state is labeled psychosis. The specific definition of the word psychosis is:

    “any severe mental disorder in which contact with reality [such as the U.S. Constitution] is lost or highly distorted.”

    So how has America come to the point where two thirds of the citizenry and most of the corporate print and television news media have lost contact with the realities of the U.S. Constitution and live and function in a psychotic state? More bizarrely, why do the first and second division psychotics, label the third group as being racists, bigots or their favorite new buzz word “birthers” as if being a “birther” is a negative mental condition? Why do first and second division psychotics hurl their accusations as the current occupant of the White House cannot produce a real and certified U.S. birth document?

    We need look no further than the persons who nurtured, supported and promoted the previous and current occupants of the White House for the answers to these questions. The current occupant’s first job was provided by Henry Kissinger and then he became a protégée of Zbigneiw Brzezinski. Kissinger and Brzezinski are both Senior Fellows of the Center for Strategic Studies at Jesuit Georgetown University and belong to numerous other elite groups. These two individuals and their organizations are unabashed supporters of a One World Government and New World Order since the 1950s. These individuals and their organizations also inserted the previous occupant into the White House and they planned for and calculated there would be a back lash to the previous occupant’s power and policies.

    They control their created problem (previous White House occupant) and they provide their created solution (current White House occupant) but the base policies do not change. True power is when one group controls both the problem and the solution. The hideous torture still goes on at Guantanamo and other secret prisons while 50,000 additional troops with deadly remote controlled air drones pound Afghanistan and other countries. Since 2001, a flood of legislative bills have been presented and passed by both Democrats and Republicans that erode or outright cancel the liberties and freedoms of all humans on Earth.

    The previous occupant of the White House declared the U.S. Constitution was “just a god damn piece of paper.” However, divisions one and two as detailed above do not verbally berate the U.S. Constitution — they do one better (or worse) by condemning the U.S. Constitution with their disconnection from the realities set forth in that document related to the qualifications a person must have to be President of the United States. A citizen’s actions or passivity express their berating attitude and mental state far better than a politician’s words. Also a citizen’s actions or passivity are far more powerful and meaningful than a politician’s words.

    At this critical juncture in American History, persons like Kissinger and Brzezinski and groups such as the Council on Foreign Relations and the Jesuit operated Center for Strategic Studies have placed a combination foreigner birthed, Manchurian Candidate and Pied Piper into the White House. And while Kissinger, Brzezinski and company promoted their current White House occupant as the solution to their previous White House occupant with the complicit corporate news media, millions of Americans lost contact with the realities of the U.S. Constitution and slipped into a whirlpool state of psychosis. When one provision of the U.S. Constitution is disregarded by the general public then the stage is set for an occupant of the White House to disregard and cancel other provisions related to the rights of free speech, religion, bear arms and self incrimination.

    The current occupant of the White House claims he was a Constitutional lawyer therefore he should be very familiar with the requirements to be President of the United States as specifically stated in the U.S. Constitution. However, a Constitutional lawyer spends little time in the courtroom but must publish papers or his reputation and function as a Constitutional lawyer perishes. The current occupant of the White House has yet to produce one paper he or his staff wrote regarding the U.S. Constitution. But the current occupant of the White House admitted in the summer of 2009 that he sucks nicotine into his body by inhaling smoke from blazing tobacco sticks at least four or five times a day. Usually a person who declares they have a four to five a day cigarette habit, have in reality, a one to three pack a day smoker addiction.

    If no authentic birth document is tendered or a genuine foreign birth document is presented in a federal court, then the current occupant of the White House knew he was not eligible to run for ANY federal public office. His actions rise to the highest level of fraud and he should be tried in a court of law for his alleged crime(s). But then before the 2008 election, most Americans knew as much about his foreign birth controversy as they did about his addiction to nicotine. In turn, the previous occupant of the White House should be tried for war crimes but the American public remains as passive and silent about that issue as they do about the current occupant of the White House being addicted to nicotine. Henry and Zbig are having a really good chuckle.

    As Americans deal with so many issues, the very small minority of persons implementing the One World Government and New World Order have spun the U.S. citizenry into a splintered and confused mob. But this dispersed mob is not armed with pitchforks and bats in a righteous freedom revolution but meekly sits in front of high definition entertainment while cowering in fear of the created and illusionary fiscal, “terrorism” and health crisis situations. Our captors know…United We Stand — Divided We Fall — as they bury our liberties and freedoms to implement their New World Order in an avalanche of fabricated fear.

    The reason why the names Bush and Obama have not be used in the first portion of this article is because they are only symptoms of the problem. Had both George and Barack not been born, Henry and Zbig would have tapped others with the personalities, dynamics and results being the same.

    Now is the time for all divisions of the U.S. populace to shed the fear and psychosis and boldly connect with the realities set forth by our forefathers in the documents titled the Declaration of Independence, the United States Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

    United We Stand as the aware citizenry removes the occupants (Henry and Zbig’s boys and girls) in Washington D.C, all the state capitals and the corporate news media by only electing, listening to and working with dedicated persons who will thoroughly engage our reality into the foundations set forth in America during the late 1700s.

    There is a difference between a person qualifying for citizenship and a person qualifying to be a candidate for President of the United States. The U.S. Constitution is very specific about the qualifications for being a candidate for President– read this eighteenth century document for the details because there are no ambiguities but regretfully there are only smokescreens and distractions by volunteer and paid disinformation agents that write on blogs, forums and websites.

    No Federal court has decided the legitimacy, citizenship and qualifications of a Presidential candidate so any and all previous court cases are meaningless. In all previous court cases regarding Barry’s qualifications and citizenship, the defense has not cited any previous court cases because there are no previous court cases.

    The specific task of the disinformation agents is to throw as much mud and crap into the clear waters stated U.S. Constitution so the average citizen throws their arms up in confusion and disgust. Don’t be victim…keep your awareness and state-of-mind and heart penetrating through the mucked waters and fouled air created by Barry’s mud and fog “machine.”

    Barry was supposedly a “Constitutional” lawyer (published no papers) so he knows very well the qualifications for one to be a Senatorial and Presidential Candidate. Does he not release any kind a genuine and long-form birth certificate from any location, his passport, his school records, his driver’s license and so many other documents that would determine his citizenship AND his qualifications to be a Senatorial and Presidential candidate because he very well knows he definitely does not meet the criteria as a Federal level politician AND/OR a citizen?

    The secrecy and cloaking of EVERY document to make the true and certified determination of his qualifications for BOTH citizenship and being a Senatorial and Presidential candidate and the millions of dollars that have gone into hiding the cornucopia of documents by Barry’s legal and writer hit squads are so sad and very telling that he has to be a fraud and liar.

    And that is one of the key issues — Barry and his mentors Henry and Zbig know he does not qualify as a Senatorial and Presidential Candidate so his “machine” and henchmen have committed the highest form of fraud and deception on the America people.

    Anyone living in Hawaii, including government officials or a private citizen SAYING anyone is a citizen because they either have SEEN a long-form birth certificate or they BELIEVE there is a long-term birth certificate is HEARSAY in any court of law. Their observations are worthless but again Barry’s subversive agents on this forum and others attempt to create smokescreens and confusion with their baseless observations about hearsay statements and COLB (certificate of live birth). Are Barry’s henchmen writers on the blogs, forums and websites ALL volunteers or are they paid mercenaries?

    A person using COLB to obtain a passport or birth certificate does not rise to the standards of and never will be the sole criteria a Federal Court will use or consider when qualifying a person as being a legitimate Senatorial or Presidential Candidate.

    Let there be no question that if indeed the document does exist, I want and desire a release of and a court of law to determine Barry’s long-form birth certificate issued by the state of Hawaii so Barry will exonerate himself from any potential criminal charges of fraud and obstruction of justice. I want this issue to be resolved as much as I want Barry to have been born in Hawaii. Regretfully what we want is sometimes not a reality and truth. And what anyone wants is not the qualifications for another person to be a candidate for Senator or President.

    So now that the smokescreens and diversions have been eliminated:

    Again just in case you missed the most important point, in July of 2009, a mother displayed a copy of a long-form birth certificate for her twin daughters that were born in the same hospital of the current occupant of the White House. The twins were born the day before the alleged birth date of the current occupant of the White House. All he has to do is present an identical certified long-form birth document and every one of the constitutional issues will be resolved. Why is there no transparency and honesty regarding a simple document that is supposedly in the files of the Hawaiian government?

    Because Barry is:

    1. a Kenyan Citizen
    2. an Indonesian Citizen
    3. a U.S. citizen but does not qualify as a candidate for ANY Federal political office.

    Sit down, take a deep breath and relax while you take the time to READ the U.S. Constitution and find your answers in the same document that also motivates Barry’s complete silence and concealing any revealing documents related to his true ancestry and birth.

    When you finish reading the U.S. Constitution, stay focused and determined and do not let Barry’s volunteer and paid disinformation agents muddle the clear waters and air stated in the U.S. Constitution.

    And hopefully the moderator of this blog, forum, websites or letter to the editor believes in and follows the first amendment and does not censor me for pointing out the disinformation agents and “machine” running interference for the unqualified and fraudulent Barry for the past two to three years.

    Brian David Andersen

    A Non-Party Affiliated,
    Free, Independent &
    Very Proud “Birther”

  2. I suggest you might want to read my other article on PoliticusUSA: debunking the logic of orly taitz; http://www.politicususa.com/en/Birther-Logic

    Further, Obama has already provided a birth certificate to those in government who are entitled to the information; he has had a passport for years; the governor – the REPUBLICAN governor – of Hawaii affirms he has a valid birth certificate in that state.

    There is no credible indication that Obama has dual citizenship or any other kind of citizenship in Indonesia or Kenya. If you would like those claims to be taken seriously, may I refer you to whichever embassy or consulate for those two countries are most proximate to your location. You can contact them, including by email, and make that formal inquiry. However, until you can produce some official statement from either of those governments, on letterhead, and verifiable, your claims are unproven and bogus.

  3. I have very recently REread the constitution. I am one of the moderators here who has the admin powers to remove / reject your comments. I would like to point out to you that not only are your lengthy observations alllowed, but that our U. S. Constitution defines the freedom of speech you mention, not as prohibiting private individuals from refusing comments, but ONLY to limit the government from improperly limiting freedom of speech. I find this symptomatic of some of the failures on the part of birthers to adequately and correctly understand basic civics.

  4. There is no requirement of proof of “natural born” citizenship written in the COTUS, nor in Federal Codes.

    Just that one must be, and BO so swore when he filed to run.

    In our system of jurisprudence, if one alledges someone has done wrong (like sworn a false oath), then the accuser must produce evidence….not require the accused to prove their innocence.

    The only thing I wish about the “birthers” is that they would not have been.

  5. Dog Gone –

    There is no proof that “Obama has already provided a birth certificate to those in government who are entitled to the information”.

    There is a photograph of Obama’s school registration papers as a child in Indonesia listing him as a Muslim with Indonesia citizenship.

    It is not clear whether Soetoro adopted Obama, either in Hawaii or in Indonesia, but there is strong circumstantial evidence that he did as far as Indonesian law was concerned In Indonesia, which was under tight rule in 1967, Obama clearly took on the last name of his stepfather in school registration documents. All Indonesian students were required to carry government identity cards, or Karty Tanda Pendudaks, which needed to bear the student’s legal name, which should be matched in public school registration filings

    Obama’s registration in Indonesia under the name “Barry Soetoro” also raises questions as to whether he adopted that name in the U.S. at any time. According to Illinois state filings, when Obama registered as an attorney in 1991, under the name Barack Obama, he stated he did not have any former names.

    There’s no Birth Certificate, no Sr. O. Wedding and/or Divorce certificates, no copies of O’s schooling in the U.S., no medical information – – – etc., etc. – –
    doesn’t sound like ‘transparency’ to me.

    May God save our country.

    Dls

  6. There is no proof that “Obama has already provided a birth certificate to those in government who are entitled to the information”.

    You are in error, and I refer you besides the factcheck site to the republican governor of Hawaii, and to the fact that he has held a US passport. NOT an indonesian passport, not a Kenyan passport; ONLY a US passport.

    You write”There is a photograph of Obama’s school registration papers as a child in Indonesia listing him as a Muslim with Indonesia citizenship.

    It is not clear whether Soetoro adopted Obama, either in Hawaii or in Indonesia, but there is strong circumstantial evidence that he did as far as Indonesian law was concerned ”

    None of which is proof of anything. Obama’s mother may have found it convenient to so list Obama; he was certainly too young to have done the paperwork. Soetoro adopting him could not remove his citizenship in the U.S. – which requires his mother and / or grandparents to be citizens for Obama to be ‘a natural citizen at birth’ regardless of where he was born (although in Obama’s case it was in Hawaii).

    you write:”There’s no Birth Certificate, no Sr. O. Wedding and/or Divorce certificates, no copies of O’s schooling in the U.S., no medical information – – – etc., etc. – –
    doesn’t sound like ‘transparency’ to me.”

    There is a birth certificate which has been validated six ways from Sunday; it is my understanding that there ARE wedding and divorce papers. As to school records – that too is confidential, not public information. Neither yours nor my school records are public information; doesn’t mean they don’t exist. Ditto medical information — I am quite sure that it would be impossible for me to look up any other citizens’ medical records just because I felt nosey. We have laws to ensure that kind of privacy…. so why would you believe that kind of baloney about his not having records? Do you really believe he got into college, and then law school without providing his academic records? How gullible ARE YOU?

  7. I see,and when you wrote “Further, Obama has already provided a birth certificate to those in government who are entitled to the information” you are speaking about whom exactly?

    I link stories from both sides simply to show the hyperbole on both sides. It’s amazing that of all the people who are entitled to the information, all the American people get in all this controversy is a carefully worded statement from the Department of Health in Hawaii and a nonbinding resolution out of Congress.

    We can’t get a single one of these entitled people to stand up and say “yeah we saw it and it’s valid.” Not a single one.

    You’re like a buddy of mine who just absolutely damn near drove himself crazy trying to prove me wrong. He was absolutely sure that somebody somewhere was actually in charge of looking at things like that. So I told him “don’t believe me do your own research.” He’s highly educated (more than four years of college) and it took him three or four months, but he came to me one day with a completely disillusioned look in his eyes and admitted he couldn’t find anybody whose job it was to look.

    But yet people like you are confident in the fact that somebody looked, they just had to have looked, right? It’s unfathomable to you that perhaps article 2 section 1 was written at a time where the founding fathers had faith in good men, to do the right thing and would absolutely not comprehend the partisanship that exists today.

    They would’ve thought it a foreign concept that somebody with Obama’s history would have the AUDACITY to run, let alone a HOPE of being elected. And that’s not being racist, that just means with his sketchy history, and limited background that article 2 section 1, a clause they put in a carefully worded as they did would be completely and utterly ignored…

  8. Excellent post. Personally, I never really gave that much thought to the whole Birth Cert. issue, until Obama himself made it an issue. All the excuses and bloggers with their psuedo-legal mumbo-jumbo miss the reality. Like Obama claims, my birth certificate was once lost in a fire. I called the Hall of Records and they simply supplied me a new one. Simple. Birth Certificates do not come from hospitals, only Certs of Live Birth.

    Birth Certificates are forged all the time, it is actually a quite common practice for adopted children. Right or wrong, all arguments aside, it happens. Period.

    What ultimately made me sit back and go “hmmm”, is the fact he passed an Executive Order locking down all his records. Going back through the archives to JFK, no other President has ever done this. The more I read his various E.O.’s and memoranda, the worse he looked..(simply because his written word is totally negated by his actions).

    To me the issue becomes a bit more complex, for the question I find most compelling is IF it is determined he is not a natural born citizen, the who are all the people that conspired to cover it up…and why?

    You can read his Executive Order here:

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/ExecutiveOrderPresidentialRecords/

  9. “There is a birth certificate which has been validated six ways from Sunday.”
    Really by whom?

    I refer you to someone who did look at the phony Adobe photo shopped Colb and he found it to be a forgery.His name is Dr. Ronald J Polland, PhD.

    You can watch his video on youtube:
    FRAUD IN THE USA (Part 1 of 4): The end of the birth certificate
    controversy.

    IMHO Barry Soetoro(his real name) is a fraud and has perpetrated one of the biggest crimes in Presidential Elections history.

  10. Quote;
    “However, until you can produce some official statement from either of those governments, on letterhead, and verifiable, your claims are unproven and bogus.” Unquote

    Let your own rules apply to this COLB (not a Birth Certificate as you imply)

    “Obama has already provided a birth certificate to those in government who are entitled to the information”

    Until you can produce some official statement from “those in government” on letterhead, and verifiable, your claims (about the birth certificate) are unproven and bogus.

    Your reasoning is one sided and skewed. You require legitimate proof from others but accept a fake COLB as proof.

    Now show us your undeniable proof of this birth certificate you speak of, not the fake COLB floating around the internet.

    It’s time to put up or shut up.

  11. Excellent read . Its good to see there are still people who make some sence on this planet!

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