On Fox News: Shep Smith Obliterates GOP Healthcare Talking Points

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Republican Sen. John Thune was on Fox News’ Studio B program trying to sell the talking point that healthcare reform would raise premiums but host Shep Smith would have none of it. Smith went off, “That’s not true, senator. That is not true that is not what the CBO said. I know your talking points. I know the other side’s talking points…”

Here is the video courtesy of Media Matters:

Thune said, “Republicans are not going to buy into a bill that costs two and a half trillion dollars, that raises taxes on small businesses and individuals, that cuts Medicare, and at the end of the day raises premiums for most Americans.” This answer set Smith off, “No, it doesn’t. That’s not true, Senator. That is not true. That is not what CBO said. I know your talking points. I know the other side’s talking points, but can’t we just say look we’ve got to do something in this country. This is going to bankrupt us, and you people up there who are supposed to be representing us are making it perfectly clear, you are going to sit in your corners with your own talking points, and we are going to lose. We’re going to get nothing, and it’s clear we’re not.”

I don’t know if Smith was more upset about Thune’s obvious lie about reform causing premiums to increase, or the fact that his guest spent the entire segment mouthing GOP talking points. Smith did go on to predict everybody being even more divided if Democrats pass the bill through reconciliation, but in my opinion, as it stands there is no political unity in this country right now anyway, so Democrats have more to gain from passing the bill than they do from no bill at all.

The shelf life on the Republican healthcare talking points expired last fall. This is why the anti-reform forces have been losing momentum. I think it is very clear that come hell or high water, the Democrats are going to get this bill through the Senate.

Shep Smith is correct though. While the Senate is locked in a test of wills, 14,000 people lose their access to healthcare every day. The politicians have lost touch with the issue, and this is why I think it is going to be a long election night in November for incumbents of both parties.

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41 Replies to “On Fox News: Shep Smith Obliterates GOP Healthcare Talking Points”

  1. I like the new anti-spam filter. Weeding out Glenda fans with math? Very clever.

    The Republicans were so last year’s news today. They honestly do not have one single idea about how to run this country (I mean, ideas that haven’t already been tried and failed).

    How pathetic.

    Rope a dope Hopey took them on a looong walk down the plank.

  2. Nobody was “obliterated” here. Grow up with your headlines guys. John Stewart called you on it so it’s time to move on and quit “mutilating” and “eviscerating” people. Good show by Shep Smith again.

  3. I truly hope that Americans wake up one day and realize that the Republicans stand for nothing. Absolutely nothing. They never make any points based on actual facts and reason. They just spout the same nonsensical talking points over and over again.

    But that wont happen as long as the mainstream media continues to follow politics like it’s sports. And if they continue to act like they’ve got to treat everyone’s opinions as being equal. If an “opinion” is based on pure BS and has no facts to back it up, then it has no value and should be called out as such by the media.

  4. Kings and kingdoms, Fifes and fifedoms… The U.S. is now JUST like Nottingham with the Sheriff stealing from the poor to give to the rich, and that IS a fair comparison, especially now with the middle class being knocked down a notch or 3 in the current recession. Or if you prefer, like Mexico with it’s upper class ruling over the lower class with the middle class basically non-existent. But, look at what is happening in Mexico(!) and WHERE is our Robin Hood? Hello, Barry?

  5. @Justin, I think you may need to stop watching so much Glenn Beck. Honestly, that man is harder on intellect than meth. I’d say Shep pretty much obliterated that talking point. Actually, he called Thune out on the talking point, and pointed out his lie. That seems like a fairly comprehensive destruction to me.

    As far as John Stewart goes, he very well could have called out this blog, but I am pretty sure Daily Show host Jon Stewart has no idea who we are, and has never said anything about our headlines, but he is free to correct me if I am mistaken.

  6. This doesn’t prove anything. We all know Shepard Smith is a dumb liberal. The Demo-communist bill WILL raise taxes and it will destroy medicare. Shepard doesn’t know what he’s talking about. He was hired for his looks.

    Why do you people want to turn America into Russia? Why do you hate this country? Giving people health insurance will only encourage them to get sick and be fat and lazy which will only lead to them being more sick and more lazy and more dependent on government hand outs.

    If you guys want communism, than leave this country and go live in a communist country like Helsinki.

  7. @Conservative Heart,

    really? A communist country like helsinki? The more conservatives like you speak the more irrelevant your idiotic ideas sound to the average person! Keep speaking PLEASE!!!!!!!

  8. @Conservative Heart, Helsinki is a city in Finland, and Finland is not a communist country. What else don’t you know, I wonder?

  9. @Jason Easley, I don’t think Justin meant this blog in particular. Here’s the segment:

    It was more a criticism of the hyperbolic style of blog headlines as of late.

    (Disclaimer: I’m in favor of health care reform, and I like the Daily Show)

  10. “Giving people health insurance will only encourage them to get sick and be fat and lazy which will only lead to them being more sick and more lazy and more dependent on government hand outs.”
    lol lolol lol.

    Obvious troll is obvious.

  11. @Conservative Heart, Helsinki is a city in Finland .. not a country. Also, it is not communist, it is a republic, and Russia is a democratic republic. Has been for a while.

  12. @Marvin, i agree with you. i tuely hope Americans wake up someday. wake up by realizing that BOTH parties are failures and the republican democrat argument is just a mind matrix to keep you talking about nothing important. Its time some Americans put constitution abiding government in office.

  13. Federalist No. 45:

    “The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce; with which last the power of taxation will, for the most part, be connected. The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State. The operations of the federal government will be most extensive and important in times of war and danger; those of the State governments, in times of peace and security. As the former periods will probably bear a small proportion to the latter, the State governments will here enjoy another advantage over the federal government. The more adequate, indeed, the federal powers may be rendered to the national defense, the less frequent will be those scenes of danger which might favor their ascendancy over the governments of the particular States. If the new Constitution be examined with accuracy and candor, it will be found that the change which it proposes consists much less in the addition of NEW POWERS to the Union, than in the invigoration of its ORIGINAL POWERS. The regulation of commerce, it is true, is a new power; but that seems to be an addition which few oppose, and from which no apprehensions are entertained.”

    If only he could have seen how badly we would allow legislators to abuse the Commerce Clause. Health Care is NOT something the Federal Government should be involved in other than to allow nationwide competition, which would be a proper use of the Commerce Clause.

    Also, as Tocqueville so eloquently wrote in Democracy in America, “No central power, no matter how enlightened or intelligent one imagines it to be, can by itself embrace all the details of the life of a great people. It cannot, because such a labor is beyond human strength. If it tries to build and operate such a complex machine on its own, it will either content itself with something far short of its goal or exhaust itself in futile efforts.”

    Another favorite of mine from Democracy in America, “What good does it do me, after all, if an ever-watchful authority keeps an eye out to ensure that my pleasures will be tranquil and races ahead of me to ward off all danger, sparing me the need even to think about such things, if that authority, even as it removes the smallest thorns from my path, is also absolute master of my liberty and my life; if it monopolizes vitality and existence to such a degree that when it languishes, everything around it must also languish; when it sleeps, everything must also sleep; and when it dies, everything must also perish?”

  14. @shane,

    Yea, that’s why Americans are the fattest in the world now. Much fatter than countries with universal healthcare.

  15. Dan,

    Too much reading for the libs. Dead white males, constitutionzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    Post no more than two sentences if you want them to read it. Also, insert the occasional obscenity as that is what’s required to jolt their neurons back into activity. That’s why they have to call someone Hitler or racist every two sentences, as their heads drop and they begin drooling without the emotional stimulation that provides.

  16. I’m glad to see Shep insisting on adherence to reality.

    With that said, PoliticsUSA.com is only adding to the partisan yelling match by entitling this article “Shep Smith Obliterates GOP Healthcare Talking Points.” He didn’t “obliterate” them, he pointed out calmly that they weren’t accurate.

    Stop pumping up the volume. Not every disagreement is an “obliteration,” “evisceration,” “smackdown,” “ass-kicking,” what have you. It’s this type of narrative that makes nuance and civil discourse impossible — what’s the benefit of being respectful in one’s disagreement (as Shep here was) if it’s going to be reported as an eye gouge/crotch kick/donkey punch?

  17. George Orwell would be proud. You have successfully convinced yourself and others “The Congressional Budget Office says that the average individual market premium will technically go up” means you will pay less. Subsides to who? The patient, like a government check? Hardy har har.

  18. @Benjamin, Thanks for reading. A creative title is not amping up the rhetoric. Let me ask you this, would you have read the story if it was entitled, “Shep Smith Points Out Inaccuracies In A Polite Way to John Thune?” My guess is no. As far as adding to the yelling, in case you didn’t notice, this is a website with a point of view, which by the way is clearly labeled as Real. Liberal. Politics.

    I would contend that Shep was not respectful at all. Unless you consider yelling at a sitting United States Senator a sign of respect and civility.

    I wish we all lived in a fantasy world where our political climate wasn’t toxicly partisan, but sadly, this is not the case. You are commenting on a story from Fox News which is a cesspool of partisanship, but yet you have chosen to criticize an accurate title while neglecting to look at the bigger picture. I understand and sympathize with your point, but I respectfully disagree.

  19. @Dan, What about Medicare then?
    And FYI why do I care what a Frenchy thinks of Democracy in America or its orginal title De la démocratie en Amérique.

  20. @Conservative Heart, America is already the fattest country on the planet. It’s also got the highest levels of childhood obesity and type 2 diabetes.
    If something isn’t done about healthcare, and soon… then all future Americans are in some serious trouble.

  21. @John, Your right the CBO did say it would go up but less than it would have without healthcare reform and with the government subsides that go to those who make under 150,000 dollars. The subsides are prorated the check will go to the insurance company under the policy number of the family that has the policy but you knew that because you wait you did know that right or did you fail to pay attention to anything. moron

  22. @Jason Easley, YOUR DO IT WRONG like this Ben read the tag for the site we are liberals now go eat poop.

  23. @Conservative Heart, Communist, really? Does that mean that Fox *cough* news is finally showing the communist leanings of Rupert’s communist Chinese wife?

  24. @Alexis D,

    Hypocrisy is a stinky cologne, Alexis. How many times have you heard someone call Obama or any Dem a socialist, fascist, etc, etc? Alot. No Republican politician is even close to Hitler and no Democrat wants to “destroy this country,” as some people claim. Supporters of both sides need to learn more about how the government works, and how it can be fixed, instead of just trashing it and saying its broken. The system IS broken, but saying it over and over doesn’t fix it.
    There are good ideas and good politicians on both sides of the aisle and everyone needs to realize that one side alone doesn’t have all the right answers. The zealots on the far-right AND the far-left need to stop attacking each other and focus on solving problems in our country instead of causing them. The fringes are going to have to realize that they can never get everything they want and they have to be reasonable about the ideas coming from the other side. But of course if the fringe was “reasonable,” they wouldn’t be “the fringe.”

  25. @Oldsun,

    “What about Medicare then?” See above: Health Care is NOT something the Federal Government should be involved in.”

    “And FYI why do I care what a Frenchy thinks of Democracy in America(?)” I find his observations to be interesting. You don’t. To each his own.

  26. @Jason Easley, Then again, someone on Faux(almost always Shep) calling out GOP’ers on their bullshit is obliteration.

  27. @Alexis D,

    “Too much reading for liberals…”

    Yes, indeed. Liberals hate reading. That’s why George W. Bush asked for just about every thing brought to his attention to be condensed to 3 pages…even terror threats. Don’t believe me? Ask his former Press Secretary Scott McClellan.

    Oh, and which party was it that spent the last 8 years calling anyone with an 11th grade education or above an elitist?

    Which “goddess” is it that doesn’t read newspapers?

    Please. If you’re gonna try to run with the big boys here, make sure your balls have dropped first.

  28. @Alexis D,

    Don’t you pay no mind to any of these logical liberals. You’re a conservative, which means you’re a real american, which means you don’t have to listen to anyone or anything except the voice in your head and almighty God.

    And it doesn’t matter that Bush didn’t read, or that Palin doesn’t read. They’re naturally smart b/c they’re real americans b/c God loves them and gave them god-given talent. See, when god gives you talent, it’s god-given talent, that’s why god gives it to you.

    And God only gives talent to real Americans. That’s why liberals hate God b/c God told them no one has to listen to them b/c conservatives are God’s chosen people.

    So, in short, logic is the devil’s work; keep listening to God b/c he’s here for you, a real American!!

  29. @,

    “How many times have you heard someone call Obama or any Dem a socialist, fascist, etc, etc? ”

    Actually Obama was a member of the New Party in the mid 90’s which is widely recognized as a socialist party so that part is true. Fascist, Marxist, etc, etc… is untrue.

  30. @Conservative Heart,

    People….Do you not see that Conservative Heart is trolling and is actually using *sarcasm* to poke fun of the right and their talking points? Hehe. It’s pretty good. :D

  31. @Argyle,
    What you said does not make sense to what Shane is saying. He’s commenting on the trolling. What are you talking about?

  32. Why are democratic staff being told to “not allow yourself (or your boss) to get into a discussion of the details of CBO scores and textual narrative. Instead, focus only on the deficit reductions and number of Americans covered”?

    Are they hiding something? Perhaps changing 1/6th of the entire economy is more complicated and expensive than the CBO can calculate? Maybe Mr. Smith is a little naive…

    Proof here:

  33. Truth be told, the more posts i read from Conservative Heart, the more it seems like satire. I have a very hard time believing that they are not either a) a troll, or b) a satirist.

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