FOX News Poll Results Show Trouble in Fantasyland

According to FOX News, a recent poll they conducted demonstrates that “The 2012 presidential race begins in earnest on Nov. 3 — the day after the upcoming midterm elections — and President Obama looks to be in trouble at the starting gate.”

You see, FOX News conducted a poll and the results say that 54% of voters would not vote for President Obama. They say this is up from 45% is January and 31% in April of ’09. Only 39% would vote to re-elect Obama, down from 43% in January – “a dramatic drop from the 52% who felt that way in April” they say.

It’s a gripping headline, but there isn’t much there for conservatives to crow about. If you look at the numbers, Obama isn’t in all that much trouble.

The poll shows that “only” 75% of Democrats would vote for Obama today, down from 87% at the start of his term, hardly a dramatic fall from grace. Seventy-five percent would be enough to pass legislation in California and that is saying something. The number of Democrats who would “definitely” vote for Obama has dropped from 69% to 41%.

There is supposed to be trouble because the FOX News poll shows that 40% of Obama’s ’08 voters would “definitely” vote for him again while the figure stood at 64% in April.

Independent support, the key to any election and essential to Obama’s victory (along with Republicans who voted Democrat), is down to 32% “from a high of 43% in April 2009.” Fifty-seven percent of independents would “vote for someone else.”

The FOX News poll also points to dissatisfaction with the VP, people saying they’d prefer Hilary Clinton to Joe Biden.

All that sounds ominous but even FOX News admits that “even with all the negatives, in hypothetical head-to-head match ups, Obama tops each of the Republican candidates tested.”

Ouch. It had to hurt to admit that.

  • Obama vs Mike Huckabee: 43-40 percent
  • Obama vs. Chris Christie 42-30 percent
  • Obama vs. Jeb Bush 45-37 percent
  • Obama vs. Sarah Palin 48-35 percent
  • Obama vs. Mitt Romney 41-40 percent

FOX News claims the gap is narrowing, however, saying that “The president tops an unnamed candidate from the Tea Party movement by 11 points (43-32 percent), which is a much narrower spread than earlier this year when Obama’s advantage was 25 points (48-23 percent).”

Things look even rosier for Obama if an independent candidate is introduced: “Obama gets 40 percent to Palin’s 28 percent, with independent candidate New York City Mayor Mike Bloomberg capturing 18 percent.” And even if Hilary were the third candidate Obama would still triumph with 30%, Palin with 29% and Clinton with 27%. Not saying much for the alleged star power of Palin, is it?

Despite the headline, the poll results paint a far less rosy picture for Republicans than for Democrats. Other polls demonstrate that there is nothing absurdly out of line with Obama’s approval figures for the point he is at in his presidency. Other poll numbers show that all but the Republican base shun Sarah Palin whose popularity has sunk to that of BP. Neither Mike Huckabee nor Jeb Bush has any star power and the rest of the country does not seem likely to elect a third Bush after our recent experience with the last one.

And Romney, who did best vs. Obama in this poll? If you will remember back to 2008, Romney was considered a “front-runner” for the Republican ticket. He raised more money than any other Republican primary candidate. On February 13, 2007, he formally announced his candidacy and on February 7, 2008 even before McCain stormed to victory on Super Tuesday, he dropped out. In other words, Romney looked then too like the best the GOP could throw at the Democrats and his candidacy amounted to nothing.

Romney calls the Obama presidency an “abject failure” which is a fitting description of his own presidential campaign.

In the end, FOX News’ use of the misleading headline: “Fox News Poll: Only 39 Perecent (sic) Would Vote to Re-Elect Obama in 2012” demonstrates that FOX News is in more trouble than Obama and that they need a new spell-checker.

This was a “national telephone poll” conducted for FOX News by Opinion Dynamics Corp from a whopping 900 registered voters on September 28 and 29. They say the poll has a margin of error of +/- 3%.

Full poll results.

31 Replies to “FOX News Poll Results Show Trouble in Fantasyland”

  1. :-)

    death rattle.

    Grim Reaper of News.

    Didn’t Romney make freudian slip the other day and admit the stimulus was working and necessary? Poor thing doesn’t remember he’s supposed to act dumb to get the love.

  2. I wouldn’t start crowing yet. I read another survey today, and the survey says: something to the effect of 35% people call themselves Democrats, 33% of the people call themselves Republicans, and the rest calling themselves independent. In my mind the people calling themselves independents will still vote a percentage the way they used to vote.

    I know it had to kill Fox news to admit that Obama would beat the Republicans, but I’m looking on the bright side. Obama has two more years to fully expose the tea party for what it is. An organization of middle income+ people who are easily led by very rich people and don’t have a clue what the agenda is. If Obama can take the tea party and disseminate it for the people to see, and for the people to see who the Republicans really are then I think he has a chance. it’s obvious that Sarah Palin cannot run because she would have to answer questions. No Republican is going to get elected without debating. that will swing votes towards Romney or somebody.

    How can they have an unnamed person from the tea party in a poll? Does that mean that people would vote for a person from the tea party just because it’s from the tea party? Does Christine O’Donnell come to mind? snap!

  3. WTF Palin does better than Christie and Chuckobee better than Jeb stupid Repbulicans can even elect their fantasy Pres or even choose the better politician for the spot>:(

  4. I agree, Shiva. Of course, Republicans insist that Democrats are only a small minority and that they are the vast majority…I’m not sure they’re prepared to admit how powerful the independent “bloc” is and anyway, they insist the independents were “tricked” and have now been awakened by the GOP Truth Squad…

  5. Notice that Fox never mentions that Obama’s approval rating is actually higher than Reagan’s and Clinton’s at this point in their presidencies… and how did their reelection campaigns turn out? It’s just way too early to predict 2012.

    The thing is, even at this time when Republican enthusiasm is so high and Obama’s approval rating isn’t so great — Obama is still topping all of the big name Republican candidates… hell he’s beating Palin by a wide margin — and I think she has very good chance of winning the nomination in the current GOP environment (we’ll see how things are by 2012…. they may have calmed down some and a moderate like Romney – who admittedly would be tougher to beat – may get it.)

  6. They don’t want to employ actual facts that might not tie in with the spin that Obama is in trouble, which is why I felt the need to mention a couple of those things myself.

  7. Give me some actual facts to back up your assertion, Smarg. You guys aren’t big with facts; just saying it’s true doesn’t make it true. Give me poll numbers that dispute my own findings. Anything.

  8. Let me parse that for you: FOX News (the people living in fantasyland) is in more trouble (relatively speaking) than Obama because FOX News believes its own spin. Only FOX News can see a poll where Obama beats every one of their candidates and portray it as a negative for Obama.

  9. Here you go, daffy hraffy. Are you and “Big Bad Bill” lovers?? I’m guessing he plays the “husband”.

    Live + Same Day Cable News Daily Ratings for September 29, 2010

    P2+ Total Day
    FNC – 1,262,,000 viewers
    CNN – 421,000 viewers
    MSNBC – 440,000 viewers
    CNBC – 224,000 viewers
    HLN – 256,000 viewers

    P2+ Prime Time
    FNC – 2,583,000 viewers
    CNN – 775,000 viewers
    MSNBC –1,046,000 viewers
    CNBC – 336,000 viewers
    HLN – 420,000 viewers

    25-54 Total Day
    FNC –325,000 viewers
    CNN –125,000 viewers
    MSNBC –136,000 viewers
    CNBC – 69,000 viewers
    HLN – 119,000 viewers

    25-54 Prime Time
    FNC – 623,000 viewers
    CNN – 231,000 viewers
    MSNBC –272,000 viewers
    CNBC – 131,000 viewers
    HLN – 147,000 viewers

    35-64 Total Day
    FNC – 593,000 viewers
    CNN – 160,000 viewers
    MSNBC – 212,000 viewers
    CNBC – 120,000 viewers
    HLN – 143,000 viewers

    35-64 Prime Time
    FNC – 1,210,000 viewers
    CNN – 264,000 viewers
    MSNBC –499,000 viewers
    CNBC – 203,000 viewers
    HLN –212,000 viewers

    Morning programs (6:00AM-9:00AM) P2+ (25-54) (35-64)
    FOX & Friends- 1,096,000 viewers (350,000) (553,000)
    American Morning- 262,000 viewers (98,000) (126,000)
    Morning Joe- 427,000 viewers (129,000) (215,000)
    Squawk Box- 190,000 viewers (52,000) (99,000)
    Morning Express w/ Meade- 319,000 viewers (190,000) (192,000)

    5PM – P2+ (25-54) (35-64)
    Glenn Beck – 2,258,000 viewers (625,000) (1,042,000)
    Situation Room—504,000 viewers (97,000) (133,000)
    Hardball w/ C. Matthews – 542,000 viewers (134,000) (235,000)
    Fast Money– 249,000 viewers (69,000) (114,000)
    Showbiz Tonight — a scratch w/ 122,000 viewers (a scratch w/ 45,000) (69,000)

    In EVERY one Fox is creaming the mainstream media outlets.

    NEXT.

    source: http://tvbythenumbers.com/2010/09/30/cable-news-ratings-for-wednesday-september-29-2010/66014

  10. Smarg –
    Gratuitious insults reflect more on you than your target.
    They are juvenile, knee-jerk and display a stunning lack of creative or original thinking. (plays the husband? Please…. that’s as clever as knock-knock jokes)

    Try not to be such a DQ.

  11. It’s a sad commentary that anyone anywhere would be dumb enough to vote for other stupid people in order to send some kind of “message.” The only message they are sending is that they are willing to kiss the hand that slaps them, in a pique of anger.
    If they succeed in electing people who care nothing about them, they will have only themselves to blame for any resulting hardship. It could not be any clearer that following people like Rand Paul, Angle, Palin, or O’Donnell would be going off a cliff. They have no solutions to offer, only appeals to hatred, fear, and ignorance. They are depending on the short-term memories and a penchant for instant gratification that too many Americans possess in order to win.

  12. You must be 12. The meanest thing you can think of is to call someone gay? I hate to tell you, but I guarantee that does not have any effect whatsoever on men who are secure in who they are. Those comments only insult men who struggle with their own masculinity.

  13. There is no reason to ever believe anything that comes from Fox “news”.

    It is a right-wing propaganda outlet… NOT NEWS.

    They might get the facts right once in a while, just to try to appear at least a little bit believable to people who’ve passed the third grade. Even that is getting harder and harder for them as they’ve given so much air time to the truly bizarre right-wing rants and nonsense coming from Glenn Beck and Bill O’Reilly.

    It cheapens this website to treat any of the sewage pumped out by Fox as actual news.

  14. That’s right Bob Michaels! We should only discuss the totally unbiased musings of Keith Olberman and Rachel Maddow.

  15. Hraf, he is just leading you down another path and cannot comment on the article in question. Let him die a slow ignored death

  16. What he meant was he cant address the fact Fox is totally untruthful, he wants to toss it over on to MSNBC

  17. Smarg, your numbers don’t actually mean anything. For one. If its FNC v The Main Stream Media then you have to add all those other channels and compare them with teh Fox viewership. In most of those categories when you do the math CNN, CNBC, and MSNBC (with there more centrist/liberal narratives) have as many if not more viewers. You also have to take into account the habits of the political groups in question. More liberal people, like myself, tend to prefer to get their news by reading it (I know, what a concept), either online or in print. So while I am far better informed than your average Foxtard, I don’t show up in the ratings for any of the more liberal news networks. Last but not least, I have better things to do with my life than wasting it on the 24 hour snews cycle.

    Get real Fox may be “conservative”, but its as mainstream as any media outlet, and at the end of the day they are all primarily concerned with profit.

    If you were actually interested in trying to help solve the problems we face, you would invest in the idea of a Civil Dialogue. Lets all stop feeding the TROLL.

  18. How slow are the Pox viewers? Christ. It’s like we all have to dumb it down a million notches just to include them – like the slow kids in school. Can’t we just move forward and leave them behind?

  19. You’re right, Shiva. I will just refer everyone back to the article I wrote on Republicans not being able to make an argument. Ad hominem attacks (attacks on the person, not the thesis) are the preferred way to go on the right.

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