I’ve related before what the Pagan philosopher Porphyry said about arguing with what I’m sure were fundamentalist Christians: “It is easier to write words on water than try to use argument on a Christian.”
The thing is, and Porphyry knew this first hand back in the 3rd century CE, you can’t win an argument with these people because they have an argument in their pockets for everything. In Porphyry’s day they called people like this “sophists”, people who were not concerned with truth but with power, people who used linguistic sleight of hand and fallacious arguments to achieve their ends.
Remember what I said yesterday about the First Amendment providing opportunities to people to say catastrophically stupid things? We have plenty of modern sophists running around. The U.S. House of Representatives is full of them. We have two more running for president and vice president on the Republican ticket. They pop up so fast we could start a game of “whack a sophist” that would never end.
We are introduced to another by OneNewsNow: Jan Markell is the founder and director of Olive Tree Ministries, Talk about deception! This gruop pretends to be Jewish Messianists. But what they actually are is Christian messianists (rather like that other deceptive Evangelical group, Jews for Jesus).
Here’s a simple rule of thumb: Jewish messianists are still waiting for a messiah. Jews who have accepted Jesus as Messiah are not Jews but Christians.
So take it with a grain of salt when Jan Markell, founder and director of this group says the Democratic Party is “corrupt” and morally “bankrupt.” Well, at least we are not pretending to be something we’re not.
“I find it difficult to believe honestly that God would reward a political party that not only denies Him three times, but also just so seriously turns their back on Israel. So, this party is a corrupt, bankrupt party.”
Gosh, we turned our back on Israel? That’s factually untrue, of course, but let’s examine her claim: Did I miss an important passage in the U.S. Constitution, Jan, that says we can’t turn our back on Israel?
I don’t remember such a clause. I don’t remember an injunction of that sort by any of the Founding Fathers in either the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution, that the United States is bound body and soul to Israel.
Oh, its in the Bible! Oh! Well, good thing the Bible isn’t the law of the land in the United States of America. You might have heard of the U.S. Constitution, Jan. Read it.
But here’s the best part: “With that in mind, Markell suggests an Obama victory means only one thing.
‘If God rewards them with a victory, then I have to believe it’s a further judgment on us, because I can’t imagine God being on the side of this kind of darkness’ she says. ‘I just can’t!'”
Now it’s probably not fair of me to compare one delusional liar with another but remember what Sarah Palin said on Election Day 2008, that God would do the right thing for America by elected her (Esther reborn) and her somewhat senile senior partner, Jon McCain, to run things here? Remember how God gave us Barack Obama instead?
Boy, I guess they’re covered now. If they give us Mitt Romney, God has spoken.
If they give us Barack Obama God has spoken.
The one means he’s given us four years grace, I suppose, four years to further “F” things up at home and abroad in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. The other means God has lost his patience and is condemning us to four more years of Barack Obama.
Gods above and below, I know which one I’m choosing! Give me four more years of Barack Obama. Look, it’s an easy choice: anything people like Jan Merkel want, I want the opposite. What they call heaven I’ll call helheim and steer clear.
But hey, remember I mentioned Porphyry complaining about arguing with these guys? Get a load of this little exchange in the comments section of OneNewsNow’s coverage. Tom tries valiantly but he missed Porphyry’s warning:
Tom • 12 hours ago −
It’s all you people wearing clothes made from two fibres (Leviticus 19:19 and Deuteronomy 22:11) who will get us killed. God can’t stand it when you mix and match
Way to go Tom! Oh! Look out! Incoming!
Brian M • 12 hours ago • parent
That command doesn’t apply to us. We also don’t have to sacrifice in the temple in Jerusalem. For one thing, there is no temple in Jerusalem. Do not murder is one for us.
It doesn’t apply to you???? How does it now apply to you? Did I miss the part where Jesus said divine fashion rules no longer apply? Like Poryphry said, you just can’t win. Brian probably doesn’t have a nice long beard either, would be my guess (Leviticus 19:27).
“The Olive Tree Ministries founder,” OneNewsNow tells us “adds that she trembles at the thought of God’s judgment on the nation.”
I tremble at the thought of fundamentalist sophistry!
How many times have we heard that? God’s judgment on the nation…This god guy has put up with such shit for 2,000 years from his supposed followers without actually doing more than threaten. I’m of the opinion that after 2000 years, we shouldn’t expect to hear anything else from him. I mean, even his son, Jesus, was fooled about the whole coming Kingdom of God thing.
It’s no wonder, given his track record, that Jan Merkel wants to hedge her bets. I would too. I mean, if there is one guy in the whole universe I would not want to put money on for punctuality, it’s the Christian God. Just look at his Bible. It’s supposedly his literal word and its so chock full of errors and contradictions and geographical mistakes…I mean, God created the planet and doesn’t even know it’s geography? C’mon!
Fundamentalist Christians are worshiping an idiot and they want us to worship an idiot too. Let’s face it: if their god had a job, he’d be fired. Helheim, if God wanted to punish us for some imagined transgression, he probably couldn’t find us anyway!
So sleep well tonight. You’re in no danger from the Christian God. If he’s perfect he’s not going to act like his follows (aka a three-year-old throwing a tantrum) and if he’s imperfect, he’s going to shoot and miss. The only thing you have to fear is his insane followers who wouldn’t know the truth if it fell on them and who, unfortunately, if they bring down the roof of the world, will bring it down on all of us. What happened in Egypt was just a foretaste.
Hrafnkell Haraldsson, a social liberal with leanings toward centrist politics has degrees in history and philosophy. His interests include, besides history and philosophy, human rights issues, freedom of choice, religion, and the precarious dichotomy of freedom of speech and intolerance. He brings a slightly different perspective to his writing, being that he is neither a follower of an Abrahamic faith nor an atheist but a polytheist, a modern-day Heathen who follows the customs and traditions of his Norse ancestors. He maintains his own blog, A Heathen’s Day, which deals with Heathen and Pagan matters, and Mos Maiorum Foundation www.mosmaiorum.org, dedicated to ethnic religion. He has also contributed to NewsJunkiePost, GodsOwnParty and Pagan+Politics.