Earlier this week, Mike Vanderboegh, leader of a right-wing militia group known as the Three Percenters, made a speech to a small group of hardcore followers at Cliven Bundy’s Nevada ranch. In his speech, Vanderboegh called for a new civil war and told the crowd that they needed to fight against “state sponsored violence.” He also referenced castration at least two times in his speech, and openly threatened Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV.) Overall, the speech was a way to incite right-wing ‘patriots’ to take up arms against the federal government.
Below is video of Vanderboegh’s comments courtesy of Right Wing Watch:
Early on in the video, Vanderboegh makes a sweeping statement by quoting his grandfather. After stating that we are on the verge of civil war, Vanderboegh then says that it is “nutcutting time,” obviously referencing castration of the opposition. Now, one can say that he was just using a metaphor and basically telling his and Bundy’s supporters that they need to be ready to do what is necessary, but when taken in context with what he said later, it seems that he actually wants to cut off the testicles of those he disagrees with.
After railing on about how the federal government can only win an argument through violence (says the gun-toting man in front of armed militia members who aimed guns at federal agents), Vanderboegh then starts speaking about Reid. He first said that he agrees with Reid that this situation is not over, because all of the ‘patriots’ are going to rise up and start a civil war against the evil United States government. Vanderboegh then pulled out a soap dish and made the following statement:
“I will send it as a reminder, with the message ‘Don’t poke the wolverine with a sharp stick, Harry, unless you want your b*lls ripped off.'”
I am not sure how this can’t be seen as an overt threat to Reid. This is extremely dangerous rhetoric and goes far beyond the pale. Vanderboegh and Bundy aren’t just exercising their 1st Amendment rights. They are, and have been, making terrorist threats and are inciting violence among their followers. With their words and actions, they are trying to whip a group of heavily-armed zealots to take the law into their own hands and take no prisoners. Vanderboegh is calling for a civil war that won’t end until one side wins, suggesting that there will be bloodshed and telling his group’s members to take up arms against their fellow citizens.
If what Vanderboegh and Bundy are doing isn’t the outright definition of terrorism, then I don’t know what terrorism is. Fox News needs to take a long, hard look in the mirror, because by getting behind Bundy and his ’cause,’ they helped create this situation where right-wing warriors feel justified in speaking openly about shooting and castrating Americans.
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Is he going to get a friendly visit from the FBI? These idiots are going way over the line when it comes to “freedom of speech.”
All this radical stuff will be taken care of if the Democrats win The House and Senate in the upcoming election. They know who all the trouble makers are and where they live and go, it’s just a matter of time.
“In law, sedition is overt conduct, such as speech and organization, that is deemed by the legal authority to tend toward insurrection against the established order. Sedition often includes subversion of a constitution and incitement of discontent (or resistance) to lawful authority. Sedition may include any commotion, though not aimed at direct and open violence against the laws. Seditious words in writing are seditious libel. A seditionist is one who engages in or promotes the interests of sedition.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedition
It is past time to send in an armored National Guard division to disarm and arrest these traitors for sedition.
“Activist”? Wow, you’re being far too kind.
There are many far better descriptors for these people that end in “-ist”.
I must admit that activist isn’t on my list.
No need for that. These idiots will end up killing each other. Now if we can only get a model airplane, paint it black and fly it over the loony bin nature will take over the rest
Back At The Bundy Ranch, It’s Oath Keepers Vs. Militiamen As Wild Rumors Fly
http://crooksandliars.com/2014/04/back-bundy-ranch-it-s-oath-keepers-vs
Hitler wanted to castrate and kill off everyone that he deemed inferior to his dream of an Aryan race How did it work out for him?
What I find interesting is these ‘troublemakers’ aren’t just a bunch of (liberal) kids, like we saw in the Vietnam protest era.
These are older citizens that have been around the block a few times – the backbone of our country. They still have a grasp on what is happening in society, not like these ritalin doped, brain-addled videogamers/texters/social media drones that comprise a lot of youth today – many clueless how to even put together a string of properly spelled words to make a coherent sentence. These older individuals are men and women like you and I, that have many same life experiences. I think we have to give them a little credit, even if their rhetoric get heated at times.
Reading that tripe I see you are as brain addled as they are. You talk about kids being on Ritalin? Maybe you should leave the meth alone. They are terrorist no more no less
(continued)I don’t think advocating violence is the right path…but understand, there is frustration…seeing our country sold down the river to minorities and third world nations; seeing rich get away with all sorts of crimes; seeing poor get a free ride; seeing taxes go up and nothing given in return; seeing homes and livelihoods lost…people are going to say things that they don’t mean. It’s not wise, but it happens.
The rhetoric is sensationalized. The guy did not say “Harry Reid, I am going to castrate you”. Saying it is ‘nutcutting time’ and the reference to ‘Don’t poke the wolverine with a sharp stick, Harry, unless you want your b*lls ripped off.’ is not a direct threat…it’s an analogy. It does not mean actual castration. The author/headline writers put inaccurate meaninga to the words. “Don’t stir the hornet’s nest…” is an example. It doesn’t mean get a spoon and stick it in a hornet’s nest…
Irresponsible Journalism.
I have never, nor would I ever use Meth. Way to steer the discussion into a personal attack against me, someone you do not even know. I am 57 years old and have given 39 years of my adult life to build up this country, not see our rights systematically dismantled by the criminal leadership – REPUBLICAN and DEMOCRAT – our Constitutional Republic has been plagued with for decades.
How Dare You!
What rights of yours or that thief has been taken away?
You have no ideal of what is going on and that makes you either stupid or ignorant. Turn off fox and no minorities have not taken anything from your bigoted ass
“These older individuals are men and women like you and I, that have many same life experiences.”
Then they should know better. They deserve no credit at all.
“brain-addled videogamers”
That is exactly what many of them look like to me, as if they think they are playing in a real live-action video game. They’re angry, seditious dirtbags.
I don’t watch FOX. And yes, I was laid off in December after 34 years working for Scripps. The workplace there is now 99.9% lower paid Hispanic. I would like to continue our ‘debate’ privately, so you can get to know the real me, and vice versa. How can we do that? How old are you, for starters?
Some of these comments are really frightening! But, in case anyone is interested, here are some of the facts of the case….At least know the facts if you are going to wish so much ill on another American and his family:
1. The Bundy’s do not own the land, but they do own “rights” to land use in the form of grazing rights. A “right” (as in grazing rights, water righst, forage rights, mineral rights etc) is a commodity. It is bought, sold, & handed down over generations- it has money value. . The BLM can legally buy the rights from the Bundy’s but they cannot ignore them.
2.The grazing “fees,” so much talked about, exist beyond the “rights.” So, even though the Bundy’s own “rights” to graze on that land, the BLM began requiring a
payment of fees to actually use these “rights” several decades ago. Although good arguments can be made with regard to the fairness of imposing fees on top of “rights,” the Bundy’s have not been resisting fee payment out of being mi…
Pay your fees. End of discussion. Everything else you wrote is nothing more than bovine excrement
Funny, that’s what the Republicans said about the Vietnam-era protesters. Seems the situation is reversed. Conservatives are protesting the government, and now the Liberals are screaming that they are traitors and terrorists. If we had a Repulican President right now, it would be Liberals out there protesting. You guys are so predictable. I’m done here now. “Don’t Tread On Me”
We can debate right here. How old am I? Old enough to know how conservatives have fucked up this country and that’s all you need to know about my age
Should send drones armed with hellfire missiles over that area and just turn it all back to desert. Those traitors deserve no better.
I suspect if it was you being extorted, you wouldn’t roll over so easily.
LOL when you get a bunch of crazies together it never take long before the paranoia takes over.
djchefron – since apparently I can’t reply to your last comment to me…hmmmm.
BOTH major parties have ****ed up this country. There is more than enough blame to go around.
This speaker sounds just like Slim Pickens in Blazing Saddles. I keep expecting himself to say “anybody got a dime? We gotta go back and get a shitload of dimes.”
You know in your last post you said you were laid off by Scripps. A newspaper and owner of broadcast company. You also said that it now employs 99.9% lower paid Hispanics. Now let me get this straight. A media company whose main customers are English speaking fired all but .1% of its workers just to employ Hispanics? You are either lying or full of shit
Being extorted? You are a idiot. First its not his land. Second he has to pay grazing fees which is $1.35 a head. Third if this thief was grazing his cattle on state or private lands he would be paying 10 to 20 dollars for a head of cattle. Who is being extorted? It sure as hell not this welfare cheat it is us, the taxpayers. Please don’t comment on topics you have no idea what you are talking about
“…I think we have to give them a little credit, even if their rhetoric get heated at times.”…
Give them credit for what? Stopping vehicles for an check ID on public roads? (your papers, please). Or telling the world they will use “their” women (not their livestock as they are worth more to them) as expendable fodder if gunfire commences? Give them credit for carrying AK’s up against their unhealthy, fat, beer gut?
Their rhetoric isn’t just a little heated; it’s life-threatening to anyone who doesn’t agree with their illegal activities. These people have nothing to offer America; they’re a joke. They are nothing more than a death rattle of “white privilege”.
And one more thing: where did they get the idea that as “older citizens” they can go off on whomever they please, unfiltered, expecting to be taken as serious while pointing weapons at anyone who doesn’t agree with them. Sounds like they are the ones off their “meds”!
Seriously, this type of violent talk is spreading. The RW Fringe is a angry group waiting and wanting to break out in violence! They hate others that are not of “like minds”. I hope someone is keeping tabs on the growing escalation of these secret groups….before more blood is spilled!
This country is going to hell!!!
Patrick,
My not supporting Bundy or HIS supporters has nothing to do with the fact that they are, presumably, conservatives.
Bundy is a very wealthy rancher who is breaking the law, even after losing court cases – and he’s lying to you in order to justify it.
Now he has people supporting him who are advocating violence against lawmakers, violence against those who are charged with enforcing the law, and he even has supporters who think it’s okay to use women and children as human shields should the law come to call again. He also has supporters who are now “policing” the roads out there, pulling people off the road to “check” them – ARMED. They are terrorizing Bundy’s own neighbors.
Is that what you support, Patrick?
If so, then I’m afraid you’ll find little sympathy here and it isn’t because you’re conservative.
The leader of one of the idiot groups at the Bundy ranch (it might be Patriots) apparently goes around the country like this – On his government disability
check!!!!!!!
No Patrick he did not use the word castration (probably does not know that word) but ‘nut-cutting time’ a DOG WHISTLE phrase you all us ad nauseam.
That old fart couldn’t rip nuts offa walnut tree, let alone en ex-boxer.
You’re really that giddy about the prospect of all opposition being washed away by the might of the government?
What happens if your views go out of vogue? If that might is then directed at you? The lack of understanding second order consequences is astounding.
That would require Dems to vote in the midterms, something that we don’t see enough of.
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They may have been a menace and deserved their fate but we have armed terrorist who threatened Federal employees and nothing is done. SMDH
These sick people should NEVER be given any news, Internet space. Focus needs to be on POSITIVE not on this INSANE NEGATIVITY!!!
Wingnuts like Vanderboegh are only brave and bombastic when speaking in front of a bunch of like minded wingnuts armed to the teeth. Catch him alone he is a whimpering dog with his tail between his legs.
“…Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.”
Declaration of Independence
July 4, 1776
“…if the laws are to be so trampled upon with impunity, and a minority…is to dictate to the majority, there is an end put at one stroke to republican government…for some other man or society may dislike another law and oppose it with equal propriety until all laws are prostrate, and everyone will carve for himself.”
Washington’s observation about the Whiskey Rebellion
Actually, a great amount has been taken from me.
Nearly 50% of the fruits of my labor is taken by taxes imposed upon me.
A large amount of that being given to those who haven’t earned it.
Then blame your local, county, state governments even though you are lying about that figure. Wait, I’m sorry for calling you a liar. Being a teabagger you probably cant add
Well VandeBoegh has no balls so he only wants company for his misery. He has won his battle against mental health and he should be congratulated.
I see this and it makes me sick. I served in the UNITED STATES ARMY, I wonder how many of these cowards Served anything but their own self interest.You ignorate Sons of Bithes are going to find yourselves in a special place in history as the worst of treason.
OK. that made me laugh out loud.
I’m wondering if you’ve ever considered the apparent fact that you are as far left as “they” are far right. If people don’t agree with you they are obviously on meth, of stupid, or something, because you’ve got it all figured out. Nobody’s as well informed as you are!
Don’t like the rhetoric in that article? Yours is every bit as hateful. You might want to get a handle on that and calm down a bit.
Or you can kick and scream and yell some more. I think you’re about to convince everyone that you aren’t in fact just an angry hater… any minute now…..
Nope, still not convinced.
My position has been clear from the start. PAY YOUR FUCKING BILLS. Why should he get a pass when other ranchers play by the rules?
I don’t understand why these thugs are not being arrested and charged with incitement and treason. They are crazier than a bunch of loons.
President Thomas Jefferson proclaimed in his first inaugural address, “All, too, will bear in mind this sacred principle, that though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will, to be rightful, must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal laws must protect, and to violate which would be oppression.”
Please, define “play by the rules.”
What rules? The immoral, unjust “rules” which once upon a time declared that slaves owned in USA were not human beings, And that anyone who disagreed was a seditionist and “law breaker”? How about the “law” that suffragettes rebelled against? Hypocrite!
The fact that Sen. Reid and his family were supposed to make a big ‘ole bunch of money by moving turtles to the land that Mr. Bundy was grazing his cattle on should make you think.
Republican or Democrat, makes no difference. This is a non-partisan issue! Just like when Occupy Wallstreet protesters (mostly women) were abused and sprayed in the face with mace by cops while they were merely exercising their 1st amendment RIGHT to free speech in a peaceful way.
Really? After the fall of USSR, The UN, NATO, EU and President William Jefferson Clinton promised Ukraine that if they disarmed, the USA would have their back and protect them if ever the SHTF.
No matter who you believe is right or wrong regarding Russia versus Ukraine crisis, if you lived in Ukraine, would you bet your life that Obama will now live up to the promise and now come to your rescue? ROFLOL!
So what do you propose MS Palin? Nuclear war?
Pay your bills dummy. Its really that simple or are you a moocher