Alabama Supreme Court Justice Says First Amendment Applies Only to Christians

judge_roy_mooreIf you don’t think theocracy is coming, it is time to wake up, folks, and smell the burning books. Chief Justice Roy Moore of the Alabama Supreme Court, the infamous “Ten Commandments” judge, put it all out there for anyone listening: the First Amendment applies only to Christians.

This is not Bryan Fischer talking now, or Pat Robertson, or even David Barton. This is not somebody just running for office. This is the supreme justice of a state supreme court doing the talking. You know, somebody we depend upon to uphold the law and the Constitution.

“Buddha didn’t create us,” he said, as though it has any meaning at all. “Mohammed didn’t create us, it was the God of the Holy Scriptures.”

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I know, right?

According to MY ancestors, Odin created us out of trees and the first humans were Askr and Embla. We learn this in the Voluspa 17 and 18. Burr’s sons, Óðinn, Hoenir and Lothurr, find two tree trunks along the shore and create man from them. The three gods give them ond – breath and life, othr – soul, la, or life giving warmth and gothr litr appearance (or health). Snorri says the whole human race comes from Askr (Ash-tree) and Embla (usually translated to be “Elm-tree”) and the gods gave them Midgard (lit. ‘dwelling place in the middle’ or – yeah, Tolkein didn’t invent it – ‘Middle Earth’) as a place to live.

On an episode of the original Cosmos, Carl Sagan said,

We’re virtually identical to trees. We both use nucleic acids as the hereditary material; we both use proteins as enzymes to control the chemistry of the cell and most significantly, we both use the identical code book to translate nucleic acid information into protein information. Any tree could read my genetic code.” The question he asks is, “Why are we cousins to the trees?

Well, I have an answer. It’s called Óðinn, Hoenir and Lothurr = Askr and Embla.

But Moore no more cares about other religions, or religious freedom, than he does about science. He added that, “They didn’t bring the Koran over on the pilgrim ship. Let’s get real, let’s go back and learn our history. Let’s stop playing games.”

That’s rich, the Religious Right talking about learning history. By learning history he apparently means forgetting history and listening to David Barton’s grotesque flights of fantasy instead.

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He was speaking at the Pastor for Life Luncheon, an event sponsored by Pro-Life Mississippi, so it’s the sort of thing you’d expect to hear. But not from a chief justice of a state supreme court, who can reasonably be expected to know better.

He is also publishing a pamphlet, which he says will be published “this week, maybe next” and that it will for some reason contain copies of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. I say for whatever reason because, since he has proven he cares not a whit for what either document says, why appeal to them?

The man has clearly lost his way and his reason, because though neither document so much as mentions God, Jesus, the Ten Commandments, or the Bible, Moore says they will prove that the people “who found this nation – black, white, all people, all religions, all faiths” knew America was “about God.”

Actually, the slaves brought here against their will were what the Church thought of us Pagans or Heathens. They didn’t want to be here in the first place. What they knew America was about was forced servitude, beatings, and rape.

What he somehow forgets is that whatever America was about to the diverse groups who settled here is that after the American Revolution, they agreed to a secular Constitution that has NOTHING to do with God – anyone’s God – and everything to do about protecting people from the evils of state sponsored religion, the exact sort of evil Moore now wants to visit upon us while he hypocritically waves a copy of the Constitution that forbids him from doing what he’s doing.

This is worst than dishonest.

And he’s a judge. A supreme court justice.

Do you remember yesterday when I cited William Blackstone and his explanation for why women were not legally people, but legally a part of their husband and therefore indistinguishable from him? No surprise that Moore loves him some Blackstone. Moore says Blackstone determined that life begins when “the baby kicks” and then lies entirely when he claims “Today, our courts say it’s not alive ’til the head comes out.”

Our courts say nothing of the kind. Nor does the Old Testament say it’s a human in the womb. They didn’t count baby’s in the Old Testament until AFTER they were born. That’s just fact. It’s the history Moore claims to be appealing to but ignores instead.

Then he went all David Barton on his listeners and said, “Now, if technology’s supposed to increase our knowledge, how did we become so stupid?” In the Declaration of Independence, we read that “all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.” Moore asserts that, “when [Jefferson] put ‘life’ in there, it was in the womb — we know it begins at conception. Why aren’t we going the right way instead of the wrong way?”

But at the time, nobody cared much about that part of the Constitution. We see it as central today, but what counted then was the part that began with “these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be, FREE AND INDEPENDENT STATES…”

As Abraham Lincoln later pointed out, the rest was there “for future use” since it was of no immediate use in freeing the Colonies from Great Britain. In other words, God was not first and foremost in the minds of the Founding Fathers as they moved this country first toward independence, and then, later, toward nationhood.

Moore cannot prove otherwise. The evidence does not exist.

And Moore ignores the fact that, most inconveniently, Thomas Jefferson did not mention a “Creator” in his original draft of the Declaration, and it was only after some discussion that the term “Creator” was put into the document. Also ignored is the fact that Jefferson also wrote (in his Notes on Virginia, 1782), “But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.”

Moore topped this theocratic masturbatory session with, “you can’t be happy unless you follow God’s law, and if you follow God’s law, you can’t help but be happy.”

Unless you are of the wrong, religion, of course, unless you are destined to be very unhappy under Moore’s theocracy, not because you lack God, but because you will find yourself persecuted, smote hip and thigh, even unto death.

“It’s all about God,” he said, as if we hadn’t figured that out yet. “We’ve made ‘life’ a decision taken by man,” he said, and “taken ‘liberty,’ and converted it to ‘licentiousness. We’ve taken ‘pursuit of happiness,’ and reduced it to materialism.”

Because the Founding Fathers cared nothing for materialism while they lived on their fancy plantations and in their city mansions. Nossir, not at all. They lived like gentle Jesus among the sheep while their slaves frolicked in the fields.

Talk about not knowing any history.

38 Replies to “Alabama Supreme Court Justice Says First Amendment Applies Only to Christians”

  1. I really believe this man SHOULD NOT be in charge since he doesn’t believe in freedom of religion. He only believes in HIS religion. GUESS WHAT, THE BIBLE IS NOT THE CONSTITUTION!

  2. Gonna visit my old homeland
    Goin’ back in time again
    Damn I miss the 1860’s
    I’m in ol’ Bammy once again

    “Sweet home Alabama…
    Where the sky daddy rules…
    Sweet Home Alabama…
    Gonna stay away from you…”

    Now ol’ Roy Moore is our Chief Justice
    He thinks he knows what he should do
    He don’t know the First Amendment
    If you ain’t Christian he’ll screw you…

    “Sweet home Alabama…
    Where the sky daddy rules…
    Sweet Home Alabama…
    Gonna stay away from you…”

    In Washington they love Obama
    He ain’t no religious fool
    Now Ben-Gha-Zi does not bother me
    Does the real world bother you?

    “Sweet home Alabama…
    Where the sky daddy rules…
    Sweet Home Alabama…
    Gonna stay away from you…”

  3. What will be next? Only white christians? Only white christians with blue eyes? Only white heterosexuals? Only men, not women? This is a definite red flag America, wake up and vote.

  4. i am afraid he forgot or does not most world religions believe the old testament where creation is talked about

  5. “Buddha didn’t create us”? Can’t recall the passage in the Constitution where they talk about WHO specifically created us…

    When “Who created us” is your argument, you don’t have an argument to begin with!

  6. This Judge, should be impeached .also he should red the Bible he says he loves. Chapter 2 verse7 oF GEN. TELLS US WHAT GOD SAYS ABOUT WHEN LIFE BEGINS.
    READ AND LEARN Judge Moore. will someone from Alabama please inform him, if there is one in Alabama that thinks for them selves.

  7. it’s worse than what it looks like at first glance. do you really think that if only christians have free speech rights he’ll stop there? could it be that only the more radical christian elements will have these rights, and the saner denominations will incur his wrath? people like that will fight for your free speech only if your speech mirrors theirs. dissenting opinions are not welcome. after all, you can’t argue with god.

  8. How does Moore know they “didn’t bring the Koran over in the Pilgram ship,” he wasn’t there. There could have been a secret Muslim pretending to be a Pilgram.

    Moore is interpreting the Bible, constition & founding fathers views through his distorted, extreme, intolerant ideology.

    These religious fanatics demand the right to freedom of religion yet refuse to allow others the same right. It’s beyond scary & dangerous to have a state supreme court justice with such extreme views. It’s become very clear that we MUST set term limits for supreme court justices.

    There should not be a c next to my name.

  9. America was “about God.”

    What a bizarre thing to say. Almost the exact opposite is true. Will nobody stand up to these psychopaths?

    Also, where is the leftie nut case equivalent feeding red meat to his base of crazies? Oh, that’s right, both sides *don’t* do it.

  10. It is the extremely “evil” Republican Party plus all of their far right-wing religious lunatics and their many bought and payed for U.S. and State Govt. minions of the “Antichrist” (who is actually the corporate “elite 1%”) that are now attempting to enslave the entire human race of this planet. In order too prevent us human-beings, as a “species”, from evolving to our truest potential. In my opinion. Obey only their “GOD” they say or you will all burn in Hell, forever, children (what a life). “Evolution not Revolution” is the key to this problem folks. Since we all “know” now “exactly” what all of these “anti-human” Republican Party leaders and their elite 1% corporate Antichrist “masters” want to do to 99% of us. Why don’t we all just start speaking out now and letting these human assholes know that their evil-shit and their plans to enslave us are not going to happen. Because a lot of us are actually much more “evolved” today than they are…

  11. This guy is a narcissistic self-righteous street corner shouter getting his cheap reward in this life and trashing any chance he has to life in anything beyond.

  12. Strange brains produce strange thoughts. There must be some physiological difference that produces their insanity.

  13. “He added that, “They didn’t bring the Koran over on the pilgrim ship. Let’s get real, let’s go back and learn our history. Let’s stop playing games.”

    And he has amnesia regarding the fact that Christians started imprisoning and even killing other Christians and non-Christians in the name of “religious freedom.” The Puritans in particular were “lovely” people. They instituted the OT death penalty laws against their own people (so you could legally murder your disobediant child) and killed some Quakers for daring to live in the same place as them.

    Our secular government was not just set up to protect us from a state religion, it was also set up to keep Christians from killing “heretics”

    If you read what the Founding Fathers actually said they uniformly condemned religion to have ANYTHING to do with the government.The Virginia Act of Religious Freedom, the Treaty of Tripoli and other documents PROVE that we are not a Christian country.

    This idiot is another damn l…

  14. “He added that, “They didn’t bring the Koran over on the pilgrim ship. Let’s get real, let’s go back and learn our history. Let’s stop playing games.”

    And he has amnesia regarding the fact that Christians started imprisoning and even killing other Christians and non-Christians in the name of “religious freedom.” The Puritans in particular were “lovely” people. They instituted the OT death penalty laws against their own people (so you could legally murder your disobediant child) and killed some Quakers for daring to live in the same place as them.

    Our secular government was not just set up to protect us from a state religion, it was also set up to keep Christians from killing “heretics”

    If you read what the Founding Fathers actually said they uniformly condemned religion to have ANYTHING to do with the government.The Virginia Act of Religious Freedom, the Treaty of Tripoli and other documents PROVE that we are not a Christian country.

    This idiot is anothe…

  15. I’m trying to get my kids out of there. The US is ripping apart at the seams and is drifting towards fascism. The people who live there are frogs in a pot and they’ve cranked up the heat. Time to hop out and get the hell out of there. Or stand and fight.

    Doing nothing is no longer an option.

  16. Wow. Can you really believe that this truly evil, sick, insane, creep, was and is still actually being allowed by the state’s residents too become and remain a “Supreme Court Justice” in the state of Alabama? This is truly the “end-result” of the Southern (“ZOMBIE-PEOPLE”) States massive inbreeding, child-molesting, religious brain-washing (from birth). And (possibly) all of the pig and chicken fornicating that goes on in their states. In my opinion. What a very, very, sad and very dangerous state of affairs. Etc.etc… Blah, blah… VOTE… WAKE UP. WAKE UP.

  17. Proverbs 28:5 ESV / 28 helpful votes

    Evil men do not understand justice, but those who seek the Lord understand it completely.

  18. Shouldn’t he be arrested and tried for treason? He takes an oath to uphold the Constitution of the United States. This certainly is not upholding that Constitution in way, shape or form. I think it’s time for the National Guard to be called out.

  19. Alabama Supreme Court Judges are voted into their job by the citizens. It isn’t a lifetime appointment. This man was removed from the court just a few years ago. The voters decided he should be returned to the bench.

    The blame belongs in the laps of the voters in Alabama.

  20. All of his arguments are invalidated by the fact that conservative Christians fought against ratifying the Constitution. They knew about the last sentence of Article VI (forbidding religious texts as a condition for holding office) and made no bones about hating it. They knew that the Founders were Deists and political secularists. They called the Constitution “godless” and predicted damnation for its authors and for the country if it were ratified. See “The Godless Constitution: the Case Against Religious Correctness” (1996) by Isaac Kramnick and R. Laurence Moore. Also “Monkey Girl” (2009) by Edward Humes, the story of the 2004 lawsuit against the Christian-right school board in Dover, Pa., who were looking for a wedge (“teach the question”) with which to introduce creationism into the science curriculum.

  21. The assertion about an alleged physical absence of the Koran from N America in colonial times and in early post colonial times is false. If nothing else, Jefferson had quite an extensive personal library and it is known that he owned one.

    Additionally, many of the founders and participants at the Constitutional Convention were extremely accomplished scholars of philosophy and religion. Additionally, many were accomplished linguists in Latin and in Greek. Both Hebrew and Arabic were not unknown to them.

    In short, this guy has no clue what he is talking about.

    Neither Jefferson nor Madison nor even the very
    religious and very Christian John Adams, would agree with what this man has to say.

    Adams is known to have visited (attended) Catholic
    church services out of curiosity, and admired their spiritual fervor.

  22. I believe just three major world religions trace their roots to the Old Testament: Judaism, Islam and Christianity.

  23. The danger this man poses is not simply that he does not understand the history of the Constitution, but that he can ever so quietly put seemingly innocuous sentences in his opinions that, when taken together, pose a real threat to the people of Alabama and their freedom. When one starts limiting the definition of “religion” to Christian religions, and then have to determine which sects of Christianity are really Christian, there begins the creeping sectarianism that caused many of our ancestors to leave their homes in Europe and migrate to this country in really dangerous circumstances.

  24. So, let us say, for arguments sake, he is correct (he is not), how does one determine, for legal purposes, that one is (or is not) christian? I really want to know how this plays through.

  25. I absolutely think that voters have culpability here, however, did he make this view known prior to being elected? I can give a pass if they didn’t know prior to electing him, but if he has been re-elected after making these kinds of decisions then the voters are definitely to blame. It just seems that these loons only talk crap after they are already in a place where no one can get rid of them.

  26. Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice Roy Moore needs to be kicked off the bench AGAIN
    http://www.queerevolutionary.net/QueeRevolutionaryBlog/splc-must-not-let-alabama-supreme-court-chief-justice-roy-moore-get-away-with-gay-bashing-ethics-violations

    Read my blog for details but he also thinks only heterosexual cisgender Americans are allowed due process. He and his wife run a ChristoNazi gay bashing cult Foundation for Moral Laws which is in violation of Alabama Judicial Ethical Cannons.

  27. I really don’t believe they even understand the word “ethics.” The South keeps saying it wants to secede. I say let it. Getting rid of the south’s politicians will increase this country’s I.Q. by at least 20 points. My apologies to the residents (or at least a lot of them). I have traveled through the south and I don’t understand what has happened over the last 40 years. It seems to have gone backward in time.

  28. What is he going to do with all the Jews, the atheists, the agnostics, etc? Is he going to build a wall around the state so they can’t get in? Is he going to kick the ones living there out? Shades of Hitler!

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