Right-Wing Christians Take It To a New Low By Handing Out Guns In Churches

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A rose by any other name would smell as sweet” is a commonly quoted line from William Shakespeare’s play Romeo and Juliet, in which Juliet appears to argue that the names of things do not matter, only what things really “are.” The line’s meaning is applicable in America in the sense that although the overwhelming majority of religious conservative Americans hate everything Jesus Christ preached and taught, calling themselves Christians and followers of Christ does not change the fact they are anti-Christ in every sense of the name. The notion of so-called Christians exposing themselves as the anti-Christs they really are is being played out in the drive to put more guns in the hands of more Americans, especially conservative Christian Americans; it is no surprise it is being advanced by right-wing Christian churches.

Last month at the Lone Oak First Baptist church in Paducah, Kentucky, a line of people wrapped around the building waiting anxiously to get inside, but not because they sought spiritual guidance from Jesus Christ’s teachings, but to win one of the twenty-five guns being raffled off. One may be inclined to think Lone Oak First Baptist is an aberration among churches purported to be “followers of Christ,” but according to the Kentucky Baptist Convention, handing out human-killing weapons is the best way to get people into church. Last year there were at least 50 “Christian” church gun giveaways in Kentucky alone, and an official at Lone Oak Baptist said handing out free guns is a rallying point to bring people to Christ.

According to Lone Oak Sunday school teacher David Keele, “We’re doing two things here. One, we’re going to talk about the Second Amendment to bear arms. But that isn’t the primary thing. The primary thing is who Jesus is.” The only primary thing is that Keele and Kentucky Baptists lack even a rudimentary understanding of who Jesus was or why calling themselves Christians while crusading for 2nd Amendment rights makes them rank liars and anti-Christs for opposing Christ’s teaching.

The featured speaker at the Baptist gun giveaway was hired by Kentucky Southern Baptists as a traveling full-time evangelist who defended the Baptists giving away guns and said, “if giving away guns allows them to come into the doors of the church to hear that the church has a message that’s relevant to their lives, there’s absolutely nothing wrong with that.” The paid evangelist wasted little time getting to the Christian message that is relevant to people’s lives and told other Christians that, “There’s no government on the face of this earth that has the right to take this gun from me” to thunderous applause. The evangelist even said he believed in Christ’s message of turning the other cheek, but only to a certain point; a certain point that cannot be found in any of Christ’s teachings.

The idea of Christian churches handing out guns, following the teachings of the NRA, and crusading for the 2nd Amendment is not restricted to Kentucky or Baptists. Other Christian denominations in other states regularly offer guns alongside bibles cementing their proud identity as “followers of Christ.” Christian churches handing out guns brings up a larger point regarding so-called Christians in this country; there are very few, if any, Christians in America. It is especially true of the Christian Right that supports any Republican candidate, conservative policies, or agenda founded on greed and inhumanity. It is highly likely the last American to adhere to Christ’s teachings was not a Christian by any stretch of the imagination, but he certainly understood the value in Christ’s moral teachings. Thomas Jefferson created his own rendering of Christ’s teachings after carefully removing every reference to Christ as a deity, miracle worker, or supernatural being in “The Jefferson Bible.

It is impossible for any American to support conservatives or Republicans and be a follower of Christ no matter how devoutly they claim Christianity as their religion. In fact, it is relatively safe to say that if a person calls themselves a Republican, teabagger, libertarian, or an independent and votes for Republican candidates and claim they are also Christians, they are pathological liars of the first order. It is utterly impossible to support any Republican policy and be a Christian, and yet they are the people most likely to claim their religious devotion to Christianity informs their support of conservatives in general and Republicans in particular.

Any Christian that supports the NRA or adheres to the 2nd amendment as the be all, end all defining trait of being an American, they are a liar and not remotely close to being a Christian. In fact, unless a so-called Christian lives in the wilderness and depends on hunting for survival, there is no reason to own a firearm if they subscribe to Christ’s teachings in the bible that all they need is faith that they will be resurrected by Christ after they die; even if they die at the hands of an armed intruder.

One often hears so-called Christians claim they adamantly support feeding, housing, and providing healthcare for the poor, and in the same breath claim their undying support for Republicans; they are liars. The same people vehemently claim they believe in, and support, the Constitution’s guarantee of equal rights for all Americans, and then vote for Republicans passing legislation restricting gay, women, and people of colors’ equal rights. Conservative Christians who oppose the federal government, taxation, and Constitutional prohibition on establishing religion are in violation of Christ’s admonition to pay taxes and obey government authority like a good slave. The list goes on and on, but the point is glaringly obvious; it is impossible to be a Christian and support Republicans on any level.

On a larger scale, it is a near-impossibility to find a so-called Christian of the conservative type that follows the bible they claim is the infallible word of god. It is true they have latched on to a couple of verses that fit their culture of hate, but it is a rare day indeed to hear even one conservative Christian cite one verse attributed to their avatar of light Jesus Christ. The so-called Christians are not even good Jews as part of their storied Judeo-Christian heritage. They worship graven idols like the cross their lord and savior was crucified on, swear allegiance to a symbol of objects in the sky and Earth (American flag), and violate the majority of the Ten Commandments they insist should replace the Constitution. However, it is their devotion and dedication to Republicans, guns, and a culture of greed and inhumanity that informs they are not Christians; they are anti-Christs.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

93 Replies to “Right-Wing Christians Take It To a New Low By Handing Out Guns In Churches”

  1. Doesn’t even surprise me. Google ‘conservative Bible project’ and you will discover people who are REWRITING the Bible to take out the liberal bias, the liberal-leaning passages, the social justice, the emphasis on peacemaking and peaceable kingdom.

    So the hell much for “Biblical inerrancy”. Obviously for this work, poorly trained ‘scholars’ are smarter than the God they think they have in their hip pocket.

    BTW – I am NOT making this up. They are “God’s little helpers” who range from editors of God’s word (their view, not mine) to people dedicated to helping God achieve the End Times. They are not to be dismissed at all.

  2. I wonder if this gun give away is legal with the SCOTUS ruling today? They are buying guns and raffling them off to people who may or may not be allowed to own them. I would like to see the ACLU look into that. It would be fun to shut down their gun carnival.

  3. This is a new low for me. It goes against everything I believe the Bible teaches and we as a society are letting them get away with it. It is time for all of us to get mad, vote out the GOP in 2014, and pass background checks, enforce current gun laws, and write new gun laws that prohibit the open carry of guns in ANY public place, or private places such as churches and restaurants. Enough!

  4. ya know… I was 18 and lucky because I had adults that would buy booze for us in high school…

    one of the times we had a party the deal was that we go to church so one of our moms could win a bible by bringing in the most ‘new’ recruits…

    having to sit thru the crap, with a raging hangover while they talked about the ice cream social wherein they didn’t realize they had to beat the egg yolks in order to make the custard, and fulfill our commitment is still a memory but clearly giving items away in order to win new recruits has an old and long tradition…

    I guess I’d feel better about it if it was still about bibles rather than guns tho…

    too bad they lost the idea that the pen, or written (printed) word might be mightier than the sword (or gun)…

  5. Our Father who made this gun
    hallowed be in Dixie
    our kingdom come our will be done
    all throughout the confederacy
    give us this day our daily ammunition
    so’s we can kill us some spics and niggers
    and punish their trespasses against us
    bless us with no moderation
    and blessed be all our evils

  6. I take exception to the statement that there ‘are very few, if any, Christians in America.” We are here, we’re simply covered by the same ugly mantle that has blanketed the fundamentalists. But we are here. And we are left-of-center liberals. We Occupy, we vote, we protest, and we believe that the Lord looks at the hearts of homosexuals and finds His reflection there. The actions of this church and any evangelists associated with it are in violation of the separation of church and state, preaching politics from the pulpit, more specifically, and need to be addressed. A call to the IRS should do it.

  7. If the shoe fits. We have just enough religion to make us hate, but not enough to make us love one another. — Jonathan Swift

  8. Now isn’t that funny, I always thought Jesus was a Liberal, who’s primary message was Peace and Love.

    To bad the Radical Right has converted him into a Judgemental, Ultra Conservative Fascist, in their own minds.

  9. So, did any gov agent challenge the tax exempt status of the fascist charlatans? What is the litmus test for such status? Apparently preaching 2nd amendment and passing the plate of six shooters is not it.
    Infiltration of peace movements by gov agents? Oh, well we have budgets for that.

  10. I wish the media would STOP calling these gun-toting individuals “Right-wing ‘Christians’.” It’s an oxymoron.

    These are RIGHT-WING EXTREMISTS … NOT CHRISTIANS! They are SICK with the illnesses of hate, prejudice and paranoia, taking daily doses of NRA pills of fear!

  11. He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. ~Luke 22:36

    Christ’s wanted his followers to be armed.
    Rmuse’s writing are in direct opposition.
    IE. Antichrist

  12. No he didn’t.
    A Brief Explanation of the Sword in Luke 22:36
    http://www.answering-islam.org/Authors/Arlandson/luke_22_36.htm

    Jesus says to the disciples to buy swords, but when they show him two, Jesus says the two are enough. The first direction, the literal one, is inadequate for two reasons.

    First, the obvious question is: two swords are enough for what? Are they enough for a physical fight to resist arrest? This is hardly the case because during Jesus’ arrest a disciple (Peter according to John 18:10) took out his sword and cut off the ear of the servant (Malchus according to John 18:10) of the high priest. Jesus sternly tells Peter to put away his sword, “No more of this!” and then he heals the servant, restoring his ear (Luke 22:49-51). Resisting arrest cannot be the purpose of the two swords.

    Second, were the two swords enough for an armed rebellion to resist the authorities and to impose the new Jesus movement in a political and military way? Jesus denounces this purpose in Luke 22:52, as the authorities are in the process of arresting him: “Am I leading a rebellion that you have come with swords and clubs?” The answer is no, as he is seized and led away (v. 54).

    So the physical interpretation of Luke 22:36 (the two swords were intended to be used) will not work in the larger context. Two swords are not enough to resist arrest, to pull off a revolt of some kind, or to fully protect themselves in the Garden of Gethsemane.

  13. I think this falls under the “straw purchase” ruling. If even one of those people buying a ticket for potential ownership does not have a permit or pass the bg check than it is illegal. They may try to hide behind the First on this. Cowards.

  14. The spear head of the project is Andrew Schlafly, the soul destroyed son of Phyllis Schlafly, one of the most hateful, unhappy Frightened Christian Souls on this planet and who henpecked her husband and children, travelling around the country telling other women to stay home. Her claim to fame is pretending she personally defeated the ERA.

    Her husband departed this world in 1993 to get some peace from this woman, so now she is focused on controlling every aspect of her children’s lives before her mean repellant soul departs. She’s now 90.

  15. These conservatives obviously haven’t read Revelations 22:19

    “And if any man shall take away from the words of this book of this prophesy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city and from the things which are written in this book.”

    In other words, tamper with this book and you get a shitstorm of Biblical proportions.

  16. I’d be willing to bet that few if any of the dipsticks in the “line wrapped around the building” on Gun Sunday were back in the pews the next week, so what did they gain?

  17. You must not be a fan of Jon Stewart or Stephen Colbert, if the truth in the form of sarcastic humor hurts so badly.

  18. If ya’ll don’t like being tarred with the same brush, why don’t you stand up and protest it, other than to comment on this blog-site?

  19. Is it extremist to believe that one should be able to protect himself and his family using any defensive means necessary? Is it extreme to support the Constitution? That is the most basic premise of those who you would call extremists.

  20. ‘Thou Shalt Not Kill’ – Ten Commandments

    What part of ‘Thou Shalt Not Kill’ do you not understand Christians?

  21. I lived in NY City for 4 years. In those 4 years, my weapon was pulled twice. In one scenario, a gunman was threatening people with an AR-15. I was able to stop him without firing a shot. In the second one, another man was armed with a Mac-10 and had killed 3 people. I fired two shots. One in his shoulder and one in his knee. He lived and so did the rest of the 38 people who were at extreme risk of being his next victims.

    Here is the difference. I am a conservative Christian man who believes in peace, and is willing to protect my own life and the lives of others. They were criminals who obtained their weapons illegally….and they were both LIBERALS who were lashing out against corporate America by shooting (or threatening innocent people)….and their guns were obtained illegally.

  22. Its extremist to think the gun is more important then anything else. Its extremist to hand guns out in churches who supposedly follow their jesus teachings. This has nothing to do with protecting one self, this is about churches telling their people a war is coming

  23. I have said this a hundred times, here in Knoxville the some baptist churches are telling people to get armed because they are convinced a war is coming. They have walked away from their jesus and right into worship of the gun. They will be soldiers for their god. People I thought were christians that I used to work with are now getting guns, and trust me they should not have guns because they have no experience with them.

  24. There is nothing “Christian” about the Old Testament, that’s why they cling to it so. Much easier to find excuses to hate in there.

  25. This taking place in Kentucky (my “ancestral” state) is no surprise, although I know some wonderful intelligent Kentuckians. As long as they all shoot each other and not the rest of us is all I worry about. Anything else, we don’t have much control over.

  26. Hey Johnny O, is it not extremist to believe that “your dead kids don’t trump my right to keep and bear arms”? As for support of the Constitution, both sides of the discussion can say the same thing, it’s a matter of interpretation.

  27. I’m sure that a man such as yourself would be able to provide some evidence to us to prove the veracity of his claim – do you have any links to news articles, etc., to verify your claim?
    I don’t think anyone would deny a man the right to protect himself and his family, but why do the NRA and it’s minions feel it necessary for everyone to be armed with military assault rifles – after all, you yourself claim to have successfully gone up against an AR-15 and a Mac-10 with only a handgun, and it’s not just the “liberal criminals” armed with such weapons, take a look at the guys around the Bundy Ranch.

  28. I travel extensively. I attend several churches in my travels. Two of those churches are those which have given out guns. I am very close with the members of those congregations. That is NOT what they are all about. Have you attended any of these churches? I didn’t think so. You are like those Christians who say that Harry Potter is evil, but have never picked up a book or watched a movie. You have no knowledge, yet make assumptions of the worst or believe others who do.

    I suggest that you find one of these churches and spend a little time with the people in them.

    I read an interesting quote the other day: “If those who are pro-gun were as violent as the anti-gun crowd claims that they are, there would be no anti-gun crowd.”

    Do not believe the propaganda. Get to know some of us who support our right to keep and bear arms. Not the few fringe loons who carry long rifles in order to intimidate…but the average pro-2nd guy or gal. You WILL be surprised.

  29. There are cases like this all of the time around the country. The media rarely reports it because they do not want people acting as vigilantes. Standing of a superior weapon is not difficult when you wait for your time and have the element of surprise.

    As for the military assault rifles…you are believing propaganda. The phrase “military assault rifle” is used for the fear that it exudes…by the anti-gun crowd. My grandson had a weapon that would be called a “military assault rifle” by the standards given to such a term. It was a .22.

    The Bundy Ranch…NOT ONE SHOT was fired. The one radical who was spouting off and making threats was asked to leave.

    Are there a few radical idiots out there? Of course, and they are shunned by every liberty loving group out there.

    You want the true root cause of the extreme gun violence in this country…those mass shootings have two things in common. Almost 100% involved someone on psychotropic drugs and were in “Gun Free” Z…

  30. The Hebrew term used in Exodus is translated to MURDER, not KILL. It is absurd to think that God commanded that you should never kill, then told His people to kill. If you do not know the difference between murder and killing for righteous reasons, then I cannot help you.

  31. Let’s say that it is as you say in those churches. I doubt that you have been to any of them, so I will also guess that you are getting second-hand, gossip-quality information.

    But let’s say that it is exactly as you state. Is there a problem with people arming themselves to defend themselves if a war does come? They are not out there shooting people. The people who are shooting others are almost all gang-bangers, psychotics, or people who are currently on (or recently stopped taking), psychotropic drugs.

    Don’t you think that is where we should be trying to change the situation?

  32. Gun Nut, Coward Nut, God Nut Too! Not Nuts Got Guts I Vote BLUE! I have this in my truck window and have been yelled at by more than a few knuckle dragging “patriots” I just laugh at them.

  33. Really? It is true I have never been in those churches. But it is true I have 2 neighbors who are considering not going any more for that very reason. The only reason they go now is for their kids to go to sunday school.

    As for those who are shooting people, they are also your next door neighbors

    Those with guns will be among the first taken out in any type of action. Think about it. I have no problem with gun ownership, I do have a problem with churches telling you to arm yourself simply because the baptist convention will start the war. They are convincing people that atheists and other people are trying to take away their rights and they need to be ready. I also have a problem with idiots like the ones at Bundys ranch. People who think they need to own arsenals, people who think the constitution is the 2nd amendment

  34. How many conservative Christians do you see >chopping off people’s heads,
    >killing their own daughters because they insulted daddy’s honor,
    >splashing acid in their wife’s face for the horrible crime of questioning their husband
    >killing people for depicting God in a negative light
    >assassinating people for having a different faith
    >killing their own wife for being raped
    >killing any and all people who profess or get caught being…OMG…gay (see Iran)

    Muslims are involved in every major conflict around the world today. They kill pretty much everyone who does not believe as they do…even other Muslims who are not Shari’a compliant.

    So, yes, we will boldly say that Muslims who follow the Qur’an and Shari’a Law have no desire for peace.

  35. Johnny …there’s a term for that kinderspeil that you belched onto the internet but I’ll use a calmer term…Horse Feathers!!! And I suppose you used your Christian conservative super powers and delved into the minds of your alleged targets and found that they were “liberals”. Go peddle your wet dreams over at Whirled Nut Daily or Gun’s and Ammo Mag. Give someone some a story that they can rub one off to while the “clean” their weapon…

  36. BTW, I know the people I am talking about. I worked with some of them for over 10 years and they had no interest in guns. Most are women. Women who now spend a great deal of time at the range preparing. And these are the people I actually thought were christians. On their facebook pages they posted nothing except about jesus and religion. Now they do not mention jesus, only god. They know god will let them have guns, jesus wouldnt

  37. That is propaganda. The average muslim is no different then the average christian. They just want to live their lives.

    The extremist muslims who do as you noted are no different then our fundamentalist christians who if alowed, would be doing the same thing. Maybe you need to get to know some fundamentalists

  38. Again…arming yourself for DEFENSE…I see no problem with.

    As for the Bundy Ranch…not one shot fired and they kicked out the only radical who looked like he might start something.

    As for the 2nd being the Constitution…no. We do not believe that. We defend the entire Constitution, which has been under assault by the federal government for many years.
    >Do you still think that you have any privacy?
    >Do you still think that you have freedom of speech? Religion? Assembly?
    >Do you think that there is anything that the federal government does not think that it has the authority to do? Go to youtube and search for “the government can do anything.” You will see Rep. Pete Stark stating that he thinks that they can do anything that they want. That attitude is prevalent in DC.

    We do not want violence. We are not violent people. We are defensive of our rights, however, as should every person in the USA be. Our founders did not die to protect oppression.

  39. Again, you are basing your opinion on the propaganda that you are fed by the media. Talk to former Muslims who lived in the Middle East. This is a daily thing and it is the vast majority, not the minority. This is from a very good friend of mine who used to be a Shari’a compliant Muslim and prays for forgiveness every day.

    “There are three types of Muslims.
    >The ones who openly support Shari’a and violence.
    >The ones who quietly wait to infiltrate societies where Shari’s is not welcome and they are intent on a Shari’a compliant world.
    >Those who do not follow the Qur’an.

    The first two are more violent than most Americans can even imagine. The third are not Muslims as you cannot follow the Qur’an without being Shari’a compliant and you cannot be a Muslim without following the Qur’an any more than you can be a Christian without accepting Christ.

    The first two groups love the third because the are a useful distraction and create a false positive ima…

  40. 35% of Americans own guns. That 35% own 50% of the worlds small weapons. Thats not defense, thats obsession. These people asre not arming for defense but to take part ina war that they are told will come. The one wheree the baptist moral conventions are being breached by others demanding their rights. In other words, we must like like the southern baptist convention wants us to

    The fact is, at the Bundy ranch not a one of those people had the right to be there and would have fired had the government did what it was supposed to do. That is wrong.

    What rights I think we have doesnt matter. The fact is the 2nd is of no use to you when compared to the rest of the rights. The constitution is under attack by people thinking they are defending it while denying the rights of the people.

  41. Johnny, these extremist Christians are more subtle than that. For example:

    They advocate for cutting off food assistance for the poor, including millions of children, preferring they go hungry.

    They advocate not having any assistance programs to help people who are poor or down on their luck.

    They do nothing to encourage our do-nothing Congress to actually pass legislation that would create jobs, increase wages and benefits, and generally help people rise above their circumstances.

    They even want to take health care insurance away from millions of people who otherwise wouldn’t be able to afford to go to the doctor, get medicine, etc.

    There’s more, but you get the gist I’m sure.

    Your tripe about Muslims is just that – tripe.

    You don’t want us to paint all Christians with a broad brush, yet you have no problem doing that for Muslims.

    Hypocrite.

  42. Giving away an instrument of death in a church, a place that is supposed to be a sanctuary?

    Their hypocrisy knows no bounds apparently.

  43. Yeah, and you are apparently a scholar of ancient Hebrew – another pseudo-christian who completely ignores the new testament and the teachings of the man you claim to believe in. The group of writings that are called “the bible” have been re-translated and re-written in so many different languages(some of which went out of usage many hundreds of years ago) by so many different people with different agendas that the original literate meaning has been long lost. And you still have not answered the question posed regarding your right to bear arms trumping someone else’s dead children, nor have you provided the evidence to show that your earlier statement regarding the shootings that you claimed to have made were true – you have no credibility, everyone here knows this, you’re just trolling. Go back to Breitbart where you are among the like-minded, your fear and hate have already been exhibited enough here. It’s probably about time you send the NRA some more money, too.

  44. we as a society are letting them get away with it.

    I’m sorry Betsy but I cannot agree with this. Society is the people who make it up much like religion. So why aren’t christian doing anything to stop this? It is religion and when an outsider comes in and tells you are doing something wrong(which they are), they tell us to stay out of it b/c it is internal. Well, it is getting to be external and if and when society acts, it will not end well at all. So, whose responsibility is it to keep this in check? The government or the christians?

  45. I am sure you can refer us to the news reports that covered your brave actions, just so we can be sure you ain’t slipping us a typical republican lie. Incidentally, how did you know that the suspects were liberals? (See, that is how I know you are a liar).

  46. Heres a little history lesson for you Johnny boy. There was a peace between Islam and Christians way, way back and it was a general from Gaul who built a fortification exactly where it was agreed that nobody would. That deliberate in the face violation is part and parcel of the “Christian” mindset. After that the crusades became a bloodbath and the Muslims became the bad guys to the western world. Also in more recent history Hitler was a Conservative Christian<FACT Mussolini was a Conservative Christian<FACT and Franco was also Conservative and Christian. So Johnny boy you should be able to see why we sane people have damned good reasons to not only fear for our lives and freedoms because of Conservative Christianity", but do our level best to fight and defeat it without becoming the monster.

  47. Do they run the background check before they sell you the ticket or after someone has won. If someone wins and then they fail a background check and don’t get gun can they win a lawsuit against the church?

  48. You wrote: “They were criminals who obtained their weapons illegally….and they were both LIBERALS who were lashing out against corporate America by shooting (or threatening innocent people)….and their guns were obtained illegally.”

    How do you know how they obtained their weapons? Did you follow their court cases? More importantly, how do you know they were liberals? Lashing out against corporate america? If not lashing out, then you believe these liberals will threaten innocent people?

    Your conservative mindset is causing you to believe things that clearly might not be true, and those assumptions are quite dangerous.

  49. ROFL…you are truly a product of the media and liberal propaganda.

    1. Nobody advocates cutting off food assistance. The idea is that charity should rest with charities. It is not the duty of government and not even constitutional.
    2. Most advocate assistance programs which ACTUALLY HELP. The programs that the liberals set up harm the poor by punishing any effort to become self-sufficient
    3. Government does not create jobs except by taking jobs from private sector. Government regulations kill jobs.
    4. It is not the role of government to dictate wages and if they enforced our borders and got out of the way, wages would go up and the economy would thrive. Artificially raising wages kills jobs, creates inflation and harms those on fixed income.
    5. Less have insurance than before Obamacare passed. Government is the problem, not the solution.

    As for Islam…that is from former Muslims.

    However, following the Qur’an is evil, Following the Bible is not. See the difference…

  50. Unfortunately, this page limits replies.

    I will leave it at this. If you think that the conservative movement wants to:
    >Start a war
    >Eliminate help for the needy
    >Take away insurance
    >Prevent wage increases
    >Etc.

    You think that because you are either uninformed and/or misinformed about the conservative movement. That is outright false propaganda.

    We have programs which would increase jobs, increase wages, increase the number of people with health insurance, reduce entitlement programs by reducing the need for them, and cut the deficit and begin to pay off the debt.

  51. You are a stupid, full of ignorance religious bigot. The government don’t create jobs. Hey dumbass the next time you are on a road ask who built that? That’s all I got to say to you

  52. Whether you agree or disagree, there will be no bad guys in there attempting mass murder. Those cowards save those mass killings for soft targets declared gun-free zones.

  53. I think you have a right to defend your life, and your families lives. Our constitution says “Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.” If you do not protect your family then this is anti-Christian. Calling people who want to defend their families liars is just silly.

  54. Jesus Christ was not a pacifist and it is sometimes necessary to respond to evil with force. But why and when is force right and when is it wrong? Through the Bible there are several key principles to answer this question.

    The right to life. All through the Bible it is assumed that individuals have the right to life. For instance, Exodus 20:13 says, “You shall not murder.” The reasons we cannot murder is because God says so. But the reason he says so is because he has given us the right to live. This right to life implies the right to self-defense. If we should not be murdered, then we are justified in preventing someone from killing us. This is shown throughout the Bible.

    Murder and Killing are not the same. If you Kill some one in self defense or the defense of other innocence that is Justified and NOT murder.We are not to get even with an evildoer nor are we to take justice into our own hands. But it is not evil or vengeful for people to individually defend themselves or t…

  55. Capital punishment. For various terrible crimes and sins, only death is a sufficient punishment. God himself instituted capital punishment. “Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed; for in the image of God has God made man” (Genesis 9:6). “Anyone who strikes a man and kills him shall surely be put to death” (Exodus 21:12). Consistent with the principle of “an eye for an eye” (Exodus 23-25), only a murderer’s death can satisfy the demands of justice for murder. Capital punishment is also the just penalty for despising authority (Deuteronomy 17:12), rebellion (Deuteronomy 21:21), and kidnapping (Deuteronomy 24:7).

  56. It makes no difference in principle whether an individual, or an army, or political leaders are guilty. If a man is guilty of a capital crime, he should die at the hands of an executioner. If any army is guilty of a wide-scale crime, they too should die, at the hands of an opposing army if necessary. If our leaders are corrupted to the extent of imposing tyranny upon the people, then they should be forcefully overthrown and replaced by a legitimate government.

    Resisting tyranny. This idea of resisting tyranny is common in the Bible. Clearly we should not resort to force when mere possessions are at stake. High taxes and the like can be endured and do not warrant the taking lives. But when leaders are responsible for murder, deny civil liberties, and generally impose a draconian regime upon the people, then we should disobey, resist, and rise up to fight.

  57. This is what you blood gurgling fake Christians do. You profess love for Christ but to justify your bloodlust you quote the Old Testament. If you knew and read what your Christ supposedly said then you would quote the BEATITUDES!!!

    The text of St. Matthew runs as follows:

    * Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. (Verse 3)
    * Blessed are the meek: for they shall posses the land. (Verse 4)
    * Blessed are they who mourn: for they shall be comforted. (Verse 5)
    * Blessed are they that hunger and thirst after justice: for they shall have their fill. (Verse 6)
    * Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy. (Verse 7)
    * Blessed are the clean of heart: for they shall see God. (Verse 8)
    * Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God. (Verse 9)
    * Blessed are they that suffer persecution for justice’ sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. (Verse 10)
    Now go back to your tv and give John Hagee your money

  58. Jesus said he had new commandments to replace the old. Love god and love each other.

    So I guess your definition is to love everyone with your gun.

    Religion is the bane of the world. Until we are rid of it we will never be at peace.

  59. Really? Is that why all mass shootings (defined as 3 or more injuries or deaths), with only one exception going back at least to 1950 have taken place where guns were prohibited?

    You do not see them shooting up a gun show or NRA rally, do you?

    Seriously, the possibility that there are guns is a big deterrent. They want to make a statement and it is not made if they shoot one and then are shot by an armed civilian.

  60. 1. You do not have to be an expert on ancient Hebrew to research the meaning of one word in the Bible. It is actually not that difficult. Try it.
    2. My right to own a gun does not trump anyone else’s right for anything. They work together. I have a right to own guns. I do not have the right to use them against others except in the case of self-defense.
    3. Of course there is not a media account of my stopping crimes. There are many of these cases that never get reported. Those that do, in NYC, also end up with the good Samaritan getting charged with a crime and are often sued. That is the lunacy of a liberal state like New York. Do you think that I am dumb enough to stick around? I called the police and ambulance and got the hell out of there. I really do not give a damn if you believe me. If your head is not in the sand, then you are aware of the fact that law abiding citizens have thwarted such crimes literally thousands of times.

  61. ROFL…Hitler claimed to be a Christian, but so did Phelps (Westboro Baptist). If you stand in a garage and call yourself a car, it does not make it so.

    Mussolini…That one is even more hilarious. He was aligned greatly with Nietzsche. Nothing Christian about him. He did not even claim to be Christian.

    Franco…Was Roman Catholic, and contrary to the popular belief of the ignorant, Catholics are NOT CHRISTIANS.

  62. contrary to the popular belief of the ignorant, Catholics are NOT CHRISTIANS.
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    Link?

  63. djchefron

    1. I do not live on message boards. A slow response or no response means that I am either away, did not see your post, or have stopped casting pearls to swine.

    2. As to the programs…
    >There is nothing that would create jobs, increase wages and reduce the number on entitlements faster than enforcing our borders and immigration laws. Punish the hell out of those who employ illegals and they will no longer do so. If illegals cannot work, cannot have access to entitlements, etc., they go home. This makes the number of people looking for jobs much lower and therefore the supply of labor decreases and the demand increases creating a need to pay more and more pay means less on entitlements.

    Health insurance rates would drop dramatically if we utilize health savings accounts and higher deductibles. Any smart person already does this. Education on this would go a long way.

    Cut unnecessary regulations and taxes creates jobs and ultimately more revenue.

    That’s…

  64. Look Johnny BOY…when it comes to fabrications concerning the alleged humanity and intellect of conservative Christians, well that’s your bailiwick. BUT when it comes to WW1 and WW2 history and the reasons for them and politics then you should just shut the frak up!. That has been a hobby of mine since I was 6 and I’m 57 now. Don’t even think you know the facts boy, And YES Mussolini WAS Roman Catholic! He is the reason for the power that the Vatican has today<FACT!!! And YES Catholics ARE a Christian religion. Johnny Boy you have run into people who are way,way beyond your small mind, give up.Your a frakkin' joke Johnny BOY!!

  65. “nothing that would create jobs, increase wages and reduce the number on entitlements faster than enforcing our borders and immigration laws”

    of course you know thats wrong. The only people that would be hired would be paid nothing and would simply replace any illegal.

    “Cut unnecessary regulations and taxes creates jobs and ultimately more revenue.”

    Spoken like a true person who wants to poison their children. Echo the parrot. Why pray tell does the fact that when the corporations and rich were taxed at a much higher rate they were far more successful?

    Do you know you are just throwing corporately owned tea bag stuff out?

    BTW, as one who has a higher deductable, most of the population would never use that deductable and be paying for insurance for nothing.

  66. 2. My right to own a gun does not trump anyone else’s right for anything. They work together. I have a right to own guns. I do not have the right to use them against others except in the case of self-defense.
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    Which one are you?
    The Best Gun Fail Accidents
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmtOEI7sAAs

  67. I am 65 yo. My Christian faith is based on the premise that God gave his only begotten son to save mankind. Your new interpretation of this radical right so-call christian are miss leading the love of Christ. Love and kindness to your fellow man is what I take from whatever god you worship. Never in the history of our world has hate, suppression, and death triumph in the end.

  68. Typical of the left. You have nothing, so you resort to name calling. The “liar liar pants on fire” and name calling defense is pathetic.

    And no, Catholics are NOT Christians. They believe that a priest can offer salvation…among many other anti-Biblical teachings…that is NOT Christian.

  69. Define irony: Trying to speak intelligently about Christianity while despising it and calling for its (and all other faiths) elimination.

    Jesus did NOT say that the two commandments that He stated replaced the others. That is a misrepresentation. If you follow those two, you cannot break any of the 10.

    The Bible, however, does say that God does not change. Therefore, His commandments would not change. Jesus came to take the punishment for sin. He did NOT come to say that God had changed.

  70. Christianity has no purpose in the world; it is beyond time that they turn their buildings into homes for the homeless, their kitchens to feed the hungry.

    At least then they would have a reason for having been here.

    Oh, and don’t forget your guns on your way out.

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