Bryan Fischer Melts Down as He Confronts Reality That We Are a Nation of Immigrants

Fischer Evolution

It is no secret the Religious Right detests the idea of immigration reform. After all, borders, they say, are set by God and should not be crossed without permission. Unless, you know, America has to go kick some a** for God somewhere in the world. Then it’s okay.

In response, we try to remind them that we are a “nation of immigrants.” This is a point I have made here as well in response to Fischer’s frequent ethnic nationalist rants.

Because we are. All of us, or are parents, or our grandparents or their parents etc, all the way back to the first settlers, came here from somewhere else. This is just a simple, indisputable fact. Some came willingly, some because they were brought here, like African Americans, to be slaves to those who came here willingly (and Fischer has already said the whole slavery thing is Islam’s fault.)

Fischer didn’t respond well to the idea that we are a nation of immigrants yesterday. In fact, he melted down in a big way trying to wrap his mind around it.

Watch courtesy of Right Wing Watch:

That’s another thing that kinda bothers me about that whole ‘Native American’ thing. You know, this ‘nation of immigrants’ business. You know we’re not – we are not – a nation of immigrants. Eighty-five to 87% of the people that live in the United States were born here. You know what that makes us? It makes us native Americans. We are Americans by birth.

Which only goes to show he is missing the point entirely.

So we are natives, he says. But according to Fischer, Native Americans are not natives. They’re not natives because they immigrated too. Watch him try to wrap his head around this:

You know, National Geographic had this big story. Now some evidence that the Native American tribes, the Indian nations migrated here from Eurasia as well as from Asia. The thinking all along has been that they migrated here from Asia. They came to American soil from Asia. Now they’re saying, well it was also from Eurasia. Well what does that mean? I mean, they don’t even stop to kind of contemplate the significance of that. It means that Native American tribes are immigrants too!

Sure, they arrived here too, from across the Bering Strait, but it was so many thousands of years ago – about 15,000 to be exact – that they had already been here for thousands of years when the first Europeans arrived to settle.

Which brings up the question: if we’re natives because we were born here, as he just said, then why are Native Americans who were born here going back those 15,000 years, not natives? Didn’t he just contradict his own objection of a moment before?

You wonder at this point if Fischer actually wrote any of this down before speaking, or even thought about it, because it almost seems he argued himself into a place no Right Wing crazy wants to find himself: a world of facts. This is the point at which Fischer seems to lose it, having a fit of cognitive dissonance right there for all to see as “realities” collide.

If we’re a nation of immigrants, to use their expression, that has to apply to the Indian Nations that were here when European settlers arrived. Everybody here is an immigrant. Everybody here is a descendant of those who immigrated to these shores.

Yes!

That’s the point liberals have been repeatedly making as their contribution to the public discourse on the immigration question. Hello? Statue of Liberty? Ellis Island?

Isn’t that game, set match?

Don’t count on it. Fischer and his friends hate Native Americans too. According to Republicans, multiculturalism is “raping” the West, and that’s what this is really about – about protecting right white privilege by rooting out all the “brown people” who make life so difficult for them and cut into their profits. Let’s be clear about that.

After all, isn’t it the Lakota Nation now standing between them and their Keystone XL profits? Money God want them to have?

As Tom Tancredo has said, “No more of this multiculturalism garbage…the cult of multiculturalism has captured the world [and is] the dagger in the heart [of civilization].”

I guess if civilization is to be defined as white people doing what racist white people already do. If you have any questions about what that is, look to America’s reservation system. Look at Ferguson, Missouri.

But if we are all immigrants, a conclusion Fischer himself just came to, then why are white people the only good immigrants?

And to go back to Fischer’s original argument, if we’re not all immigrants, then how is it that people whose ancestors have been here 15,000 years are NOT natives, and people who are just now arriving are NOT natives, but people whose ancestors have only been here for three or four centuries at most ARE natives?

Fischer has been down this road already, trying to justify his irrational racism:

If…there is a moral and ethical basis for our displacement of native American tribes, and if our westward expansion and settlement are in fact consistent with the laws of nature, nature’s God, and the law of nations, then Americans have much to be proud of.

So we “Anglo-Saxons” have a right to have immigrated here. Native Americans do not have this divine sanction and so apparently should never have been here and therefore have no right to complain that we took all their land, and today’s Latino immigrants have no right to be here either, because they are now crossing borders created by God.

Thus there was a “Goldilocks” zone that was just right, when the Chosen People were allowed in. Everything before and after represents a violation of “the law of nations” and “nature’s God.” (And remember, “natural law” has been used against not just Native Americans and Latino immigrants, but against gays and also against non-Christians.) Everyone who doesn’t belong here, who can’t be grandfathered in through some sort of “Goldilocks Exemption” must be “vomited forth,” in the Old Testament sense (Lev 20.22-25; Jer 3.2-3).

Convert or die or face God’s wrath. This applies not only to Muslims but for Fischer, also to those Native Americans he was having such trouble with yesterday.

No need to go to Syria or Iraq to fight ISIL. We have our own here. And we thought they were bad as Talibangelicals. We had no idea. And Fischer has already admitted to being in “theological accord” with ISIL.

This is why it is amusing to see someone like Fischer come up against the world of facts, and this is why his response is an epic rant. It’s no easy matter to make a rational-sounding argument in favor of something that is inherently irrational, as Fischer just found out.

But if we’re stuck with them, they are also stuck with us. Take heart from that, my friends.

26 Replies to “Bryan Fischer Melts Down as He Confronts Reality That We Are a Nation of Immigrants”

  1. Anglo Saxons were sent to North America (or the USA, since Mexico doesn’t count) by God, but Native Americans snuck in while he wasn’t looking?
    If one of these Christo-fascists actually ever makes a logical argument, his head will explode.

  2. God commands patriotism? So, with that thinking, God is an American? Did Jesus speak English, too?

    I thought it was bad enough that this poor guy stated that obesity correlates to Lesbianism, but every post I have seen of his gets worse with each step.ll

    Incredible!

  3. This sounds like the way they tie themselves up in knots when you challenge them on the concept of the Holy Trinity. You know, the concept that Jesus is God, and God is Jesus, and the Holy Ghost is God and Jesus. God is Jesus father, but Jesus is God so he is his own father, and the Holy Ghost is the essence of the two who are one. They say that they are mono-theists, so that is why they say there is only one God and he is all three in one. The father, son, holy ghost thing is part of the reason why Muslims call them infidels for worshiping more than one God so that is how they counter that accusation.

  4. Well yes (or Hell yes?) Haven’t you seen the nice portraits of the blond, blue-eyed Jesus? Of course he spoke English. That’s what the Tower of Babel is all about..God created English for the white men so they wouldn’t have to communicate with those nasty brown Egyptians, Summarians, Romans, or whomever the enemy of the century happened to be! You must have gone to one of those liberal humanist public schools and gotten indoctrinated against Christianity, which has obviously been around for 6000 years. I mean, isn’t the birth foretold in Isaiah? So gee, Moses was Christian. Adam would have been, but Eve committed a big boo-boo and ruined it for him. See, I can be a fundie!

  5. I remember about 10 years ago, if not a bit longer, I read a article in which an apparent WASP told an Indian “to go back where he came from.” I chuckled, this IS where he came from!The Indian then gave him a mouth full!
    It boggles my mind that residents whose ancestors immigrated from Europe don’t consider themselves descended of immigrants, only non whites, including the Indian! Wouldn’t a “Nativist” be a individual born and raised in the country his ancestors hailed from?
    Their logic is truly twisted, but all of the rights ideology is twisted.

  6. First, who is this guy Bryan Fischer? Anyway, he clearly has a IQ of a 5 year old…not understanding immigration…lol!
    Now he’s mad at the native peoples because this land is really their land because our ancestors the Europeans stole it from them…..and are currently raping it of all it’s natural resources.

  7. Anyone who is not white needs to take careful consideration of who they vote for. Talking to you Ben Carson and the pizza king. The fundies and the gop dont want you.

    And anyone who is white and does vote for the gop, needs to understand you are at least in part voting for the visceral hate of many of the people in your neighborhoods

  8. Bryan Fischer melted down to a puddle of protoplasm decades ago. They just pour some holy water on him and he comes to life long enough to spout ignorance and he melts back into a puddle.

  9. This article isn’t exactly true. I live in Alabama, and there are some church groups that feel that we should open our borders and welcome all immigrants with open arms!

  10. Ron, this article refers to religious fundamentalists for the most part. It does not target real christians

  11. this clown believes in non-existent supernatural beings, and because of that belief it feels as it is above the rest of us, that it can preach its vast stupidity and We the People have to listen and bow down. Until We the People put down this colossal ignorance humanity is in peril. Crap that this clown spouts is consistent with anyone who believes in non-existent gods, because ultimately they have to justify that these beings don’t exist. And of course, they can’t.

  12. It is mind-boggling to think some producer, owner, director of a broadcast puts this clown on the air. His comprehension is on the level of a third-grade drop-out! There WAS no America when the original settlers crossed the land bridge from Asia. The concept of America as a melting pot seems completely lost on this clown.

  13. Yahweh became Jesus by gestating in Mary for 9 months. No Mary, no Jesus.

    But these clowns want us to believe that Yahweh made Eve from Adam’s body parts. so why didn’t he just rustle up a Jesus body for himself? Hm?

    Because he couldn’t. Males don’t. Females do. That’s the root of all misogyny. Jealousy.

    The Abrahamic religions are going the way of the Mayans. It is their Armageddon, because we’ve outgrown the mythology.

    Too bad, so sad. you should have been nicer when you had the chance. But you all had to cling to Abraham, the sociopath. complete with human sacrifice.

    So no tears for you.

  14. My grandfather was a small child when members of his family came to the US. He went to school there till the 6th grade and could read and write, no Italian accent but could speak Italian. My grandmother came at 16, accompanied by one of the two older brothers who were already here. She never got to go to school and her brothers were her sponsers.I am 73 and these were my grandparents. They were 19 and 22 when they got married. They LOVED America, and spoke only english to their 5 children. There was no lingering loyalty to Italy. They were grateful to just being and becoming citizen’s. Of course it was a simple thing to do back then. They didn’t go west where there was still so much empty land. Immigration cannot be compared today to all those who came before us. There was lots and lots of land to fill up and we have mostly done that already.It must have seemed absurd to just let tribes try to keep thousands of acres an miles to be empty doing nothing waiting for the next camp to com…

  15. Let me see, it was OK to steal land from Native Americans because they had too much and were wasting it, but people shouldn’t come here now because we’ve already stolen all the land, and there isn’t enough left to steal, oooookay, got it.

    And, BTW, I am 1/4 Native American, Cherokee from my father’s side and Illini on my mother’s side and I say we don’t have room for people who think like you.

  16. My eyes burn when I read garbage like this fool spouts. He is less than an idiot, if that is possible.

  17. Anyone smart enough to have his DNA done, particularly whites, knows what his roots are. There is no excuse for bigotry. I know mine

  18. Bryan Fischer proved the point that we are a nation of immigrants and does not even know he has proved it. How clueless can you be. He says we are not a nation of immigrants because most people in the country today were born here than he says even Native Americans came here from somewhere else.

    He sounds confused by the terms Asia and Eurasia. Look at a map or a globe clown.

  19. Oh, you want to bring gods into it? My goddess says that Bryan’s a talking pile of shit and she’s also surprised that he hasn’t blown himself away he’s so full of methane.

  20. Any god that approves of how shamefully we have treated the native nations that were here before us is a cruel, selfish, douchetruck of a deity. There is enough land here and we tricked them, lied to them, and just outright stomped them into mud puddles to steal what they had. Now they are building casinos and taking money back from idiots thinking they are going to get rich at a casino.

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