The Republican Plan To Force The Approval Of Keystone XL Is On The Verge Of Collapse

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Senate Republicans have the 60 votes that they need to initially pass the Keystone XL pipeline, but they don’t have the votes needed to overcome an Obama veto, and they lack a clear Plan B to get the pipeline authorized.

Politico laid out the three options that Senate Republicans and Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin (WV) are mulling,

The first is to win enough support for the bill to override a presidential veto. That requires a hefty 67 votes in the Senate, and so far, the bill has an estimated 63 supporters. Corralling four other “yes” votes will prove to be a difficult, and perhaps impossible, task.

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The second option is focused on the open amendment process, in which senators will spend days and perhaps weeks offering amendments to the bill with few restrictions. Hoeven and Manchin hope they can sweeten the pot enough to either win 67 votes or persuade President Barack Obama not to veto the bill by adding popular amendments.

The third option is a longer-term strategy. If their current attempt to pressure Obama to sign the Keystone bill goes down in flames, Hoeven hopes to force the president’s hand by attaching the measure to must-pass legislation. While Obama has been increasingly critical of the pipeline in recent months, Keystone backers are betting that the president will be willing to make a deal, particularly if they tie Keystone to appropriations legislation.

The odds of Republicans getting the last four votes that they would need to override a presidential veto are zero. There aren’t four more Democrats in the Senate who would vote for the project. It doesn’t matter what kind of sweeteners are added to the deal. It would take something like Republicans agreeing to the Bernie Sanders proposed $1 trillion infrastructure project to be included to for Democrats to support the bill.

Republicans would have to offer something so big to Democrats that they would risk losing support from their own party for the bill. That is roughly how far they would have to go in order to attract four more Democratic votes. The power to authorize Keystone XL still firmly rests with the president and the Senate Democrats who are standing with him.

The price for cutting a deal with President Obama on Keystone XL would likely be high and extremely distasteful for Republicans. The idea that Republicans can force Obama to authorize the pipeline through the appropriations process has been proven false on numerous occasions. The last government shutdown was based on the same flawed Republican logic that the president could be forced to do something via the appropriations process.

Republicans have already tipped their hand. They desperately want Keystone XL authorized, and they don’t want to shut down the government. The president would have no incentive to sign a bill with Keystone XL attached to it because he already knows that Republicans will back down to avoid a government shutdown.

Senate Republicans are about to waste weeks of time trying to pass the pipeline when everyone understands that it is DOA. Before a single vote was cast President Obama won again, and the big Republican plan to force Obama to authorize the Keystone XL pipeline has fallen apart.

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39 Replies to “The Republican Plan To Force The Approval Of Keystone XL Is On The Verge Of Collapse”

  1. I think the Dems should load up the Keystone bill with a bunch of riders. Add a few Wall Street transaction taxes in there; voting rights act; load that mother up like to GOP did with the budget bill. I’d pass the Keystone for some serious add-ons.

  2. Yes, the Keystone vote could pass with enough democrats to override a veto, but republicans hate the middle/working classes so much they will never accept the bargain it would take to succeed. If republicans suggested a deal to allow an extension of unemployment benefits — which they have been fighting against for years — they would put democrats in the position of having to choose harming the environment, and helping laid-off American workers, and in that trade-off, the future costs of environmental degradation might be outweighed by the economic boost of this tradeoff, for struggling Americans. Yes, it would be a hard decision, but I think democrats would vote for such a bargain, knowing it would both help the economy, and give them a victory that would translate into votes in 2016. But of course republicans would never offer such a bargain.

  3. This is what the GOP calls ” jobs bill ”
    It is their ” job” to do what foreign corporations tells them to do , bet they have stock in that company too…

  4. They would not give millions Americans jobs with the President’s infrastructure project, for our own country. But they will fight like hell to give Canada and the Koch bothers billions of dollars.

    Please make them not only give in on the infrastructure project, but umemployment, veterans bills and food stamps and gun control. And they must leave the “Affordable Care Act” alone

  5. I would add if there is one spill they are liable for all cost in cleaning it up and that would include the personal assets of all the investors

  6. They would not give millions Americans jobs with the President’s infrastructure project, for our own country. But they will fight like hell to give Canada and the Koch bothers billions of dollars.

    Please make them not only give in on the infrastructure project, but umemployment, veterans bills and food stamps and gun control. And they must leave the “Affordable Care Act” alone. Also stop telling woman that they have no right to control their own bodies. Back off the gay people. Stop trying to steal peoples Social Sercurity and Medicaid. Yes I know it’s a lot but it seems like the Repugs are trying to destory this country one theft at a time.

  7. So little to gain and too much a risk, while the GOP/TP only care about how much money they’ll personally get out of this.

  8. “Senate Republicans have the 60 votes that they need to initially pass the Keystone XL pipeline, but they don’t have the votes needed to overcome an Obama veto, and they lack a clear Plan B to get the pipeline authorized.”
    They never have a plan B! I love this! Even after controlling both Houses, the GOP still won’t be able to get their agenda through to destroy this country.

  9. No pipeline. The damage to the environment and drinking water is way too risky. Aside from that, it’s of no benefit the country as a whole. Except Julius and his bourbon.

  10. West Virginia’s Machin is a The Bluest dog in the litter.Senator Machin has the Koch brother Coal mines in his portfolio.

  11. The pipeline will be a magnet for terrorists. Who will cleanup the tar after the pipeline is bombed by terrorists? It will without doubt be a significant target for terrorists.

  12. The pipeline will absolutely kill jobs. The tar is currently being shipped by truck and rail. The pipeline kills jobs and makes the tar more viable by reducing costs of shipping. Tar is best used for producing low quality products like diesel fuel and heating oil. Those products would be EXPORTED and not used in this country.

  13. The pipeline will be above ground. It could be bombed at multiple locations to create a heck of a mess that would ruin environments for hundreds if not thousands of years.

  14. The chance of a pipeline accident are no more likely than an accident with the trains that currently carry the oil.

  15. Average 250 Pipeline Accidents Each Year, Billions Spent on Property Damage
    http://www.desmog.ca/2013/04/05/average-250-pipeline-accidents-each-year-billions-spent-property-damage

    But almost a year and a half later—and after three railcar explosions in the United States—those headline-grabbing measures have turned out to be less than they appeared. Idling oil trains are still left unattended in highly populated areas. The effort to draft new safety regulations has been bogged down in disputes between the railroads and the oil industry over who will bear the brunt of the costs. The oil industry is balking at some of the tanker upgrades, and the railroads are lobbying against further speed restrictions.
    http://stories.weather.com/boom

    Now while both have risk do you care to do the math again?

  16. Sure! Let’s do some math. There’s a 65 year old pipeline that broke. And 2.5 million miles of pipeline. Trains are seeing a significant rise in volume shipping this crude so accidents will increase.
    Speaking of math , where do you get the 100 jobs figure? Seems pretty low labor rate to put a pipeline across the country. I bet there’s more than that maintaining the train tracks. Why not go with the more efficient method? Also spills would create some jobs too regardless of whether it was a train or a pipeline.

    And tinylilelvis… Why wouldn’t we use the diesel oil and home heating oil here in America?

  17. IF

    All those associated with Congress or Senate must divest themselves of stock, and not hold any for a period of not less than 5 years.

    Stock market transactions are taxed at 0.5 percent per transaction

    All metal used in the project comes from American sources

    All related maintenance contracts are made available through open bidding

    All related infrastructure meets Federal standards – and be demonstrated to do so

    All Native land/resource issues must be resolved

    Employee healthcare mandates are in place for workers who get 25 hours or more

    Social Security is strengthened to last until 2120

    The USPS requirement for pension funds to be paid 75 years ahead is dropped

    THEN

    We’ll start thinking about it.

  18. Consider this possibility: Given the low price of oil today, if the Keystone Bill becomes law somehow, and then TranCanada decides not to build because it is no longer economically feasible, how would the Republicans look?
    They may be really hoping that they can continue to publicly blame Obama for its passage failure, but internally they would be happy since they would not be made out to be fools.

  19. great idea. won’t go far tho-The boys who wish this to pass do Not place themselves in any form of danger, NEVER!

  20. To the troll with the extra long monogram. The pipeline requires Diesel Oil to push that nasty crap through the pipeline. According to THEIR numbers, that would raise the price of fuel to truckers who haul the produce and farmers who raise and ship said produce by 20 cents per gallon of Diesel. Who does your dumbass think will cover that rise in costs? You think BAINer’s tar sands buddies? The kochs? The farmers, who are barely making it now, according to them? The truckers, who are barely making it now, according to them? No dumbass, you and I and every tax payer would.

  21. I’m just curious, do you folks talk to everyone you disagree with like this? I can’t see why you are all so angry that you need to insult and curse anyone who poses a question or an alternate viewpoint. Do you not think it possible that you might actually have the same underlying goals as someone who sees a flaw in a proposed way of doing things? Or are you all so intolerant of other views that you feel threatened by them? Not a very inclusive picture. Perhaps I am wrong on this pipeline issue and just haven’t seen the full picture; insulting me will not make me very receptive to your opinions though. This has happened every time I try to raise a question here. If it is not cheerleading the cause I am met with very hostile reactions. The current president is doing a lot of things the last one did but he gets a pass on it all. No one from Wall Street was seen in a striped jumper despite all the lawlessness. The Patriot act renewed, etc. This one is not much different from the last.

  22. I would love to continue the discussion but I keep getting banned. Scared much?

  23. No one from Wall Street was seen in a striped jumper despite all the lawlessness. The Patriot act renewed, etc. This one is not much different from the last.
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    First, everything that happen on Wall Street was legal so why would they go to jail? Second, The reason the Patriot was renewed is because the American people are scared, stupid and don’t understand their rights.So if they demand accountability why should the government give up power that YOU gave to them.

    The questions that you have about keystone has been debunked from day one so when you trot out the same old right wing talking points what do you expect? A cookie for being ignorant

  24. See this is what I am talking about. No one has banned you because if you were banned you wouldn’t even be allowed to type your nonsense

  25. DJ this is not the first time I have been here. I have been banned several times in the past and have to use various methods to get a post on. I really am a lifelong Democrat and just have a few issues with the current admin where they are doing the same things as the last but it doesn’t seem to matter to anyone here. As long as you can push your guy it seems anything is ok even if it’s the same crap as the last one. Can none of you see the similarities between bush and obama? Does the fact that Bill C is good buddies with Geroge WB not show you how alike all these guys are? You can’t look at all tis and thnk the Dems are pure as the driven snow and Reps are all evil. That is incredibly simplistic, all people are PEOPLE. Reps and Dems and Commies and Islamofacists. There are corrupt progressives as well as Repubs. Open your eyes and see we are all more alike than not. Hillary said we must be empathetic towards our enemies. Can we try that with our fellow countrymen too?

  26. Have you ever ask yourself why you were banned and are you in need of attention to keep coming back?

  27. Several things:

    KXL jobs? B.S. Canada needs to transport her dirty oil across their country, not by eminent domain of American citizens and Apache Aquafir!

    The President presented a Jobs Bill at the beginning of his presidency. Where is it? The Bill has thousands of infrastructure jobs for our crumbling and unsafe roads/bridges IN THE USA? Is it perhaps filed somewhere in Boehner’s circular file?

    America firs!

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