ABC’s George Stephanopoulos Crushes Gov. Mike Pence’s ‘Religious Freedom’ Facade


By asking straightforward and direct questions, ABC’s George Stephanopoulos crushed Gov. Mike Pence’s facade that his legalized discrimination bill is about ‘religious freedom.’


Transcript via ABC’s This Week:

STEPHANOPOULOS: And so yes or no, if a florist in Indiana refuses to serve a gay couple at their wedding, is that legal now in Indiana?

PENCE: George, this is — this is where this debate has gone, with — with misinformation and frankly…

STEPHANOPOULOS: It’s just a question, sir. Question, sir.

Yes or no?

PENCE: Well — well, this — there’s been shameless rhetoric about my state and about this law and about its intention all over the Internet. People are trying to make it about one particular issue. And now you’re doing that, as well.

The issue here — The Religious Freedom Restoration Act has been on the books for more than 20 years. It does not apply, George, to disputes between individuals unless government action is involved. And in point of fact, in more than two decades, The Religious Freedom Restoration Act has never been used to undermine anti-discrimination laws in this country.




PENCE: Look, the…

STEPHANOPOULOS: — I’m just bringing up a…

PENCE: — the question…

STEPHANOPOULOS: — (INAUDIBLE) from one of your supporters.

PENCE: — I think the real question here…

STEPHANOPOULOS: That was one of our supporters who was talking about the bill right there. It said it would protect a Christian florist who — against any kind of punishment.

Is that true or not?

PENCE: George, look, the issue here is, you know, is tolerance a two way street or not?

I mean, you know, there’s a lot of talk about tolerance in this country today having to do with people on the left. And a — but here Indiana steps forward to protect the constitutional rights and privileges of freedom of religion for people of faith and families of faith in our state and this avalanche of intolerance that’s been poured on our state is just outrageous.

STEPHANOPOULOS: Governor — Governor, I…

PENCE: It’s not based in any…

STEPHANOPOULOS: — I completely…

PENCE: — fact whatsoever.

STEPHANOPOULOS: — I completely agree with you about the good people…

PENCE: And I think people…


PENCE: — are getting tired of it, George. I really do.


PENCE: Tolerance is a two way street.

STEPHANOPOULOS: So when you say tolerance is a two way street, does that mean that Christians who want to refuse service or people of any other faith who want to refuse service to gays and lesbians, that it’s now legal in the state of Indiana?

That’s the simple yes or no question.

PENCE: George, the — the question here is if the — if there is a government action or a law that an individual believes impinges on their religious liberty, they have the opportunity to go to court, just as The Religious Freedom Restoration Act that Bill Clinton signed allowed them, go to court and the court would evaluate the circumstance under the standards articulated in this Act.

After Stephanopoulos grilled Gov. Pence for several minutes, he finally admitted that he would not be changing the law. Later, Pence dodged a question about whether or not he believes in discrimination against gays and lesbians. Stephanopoulos asked for a second time if Pence supported legalized discrimination against gays and lesbians, and Pence basically accused the This Week of being an Internet troll.

The interview was an unmitigated disaster for Pence. Stephanopoulos asked fair and straightforward questions that Pence couldn’t or wouldn’t answer. The backlash against Indiana Republicans for passing a form of legalized discrimination is growing by the hour. There are going to be real economic consequences for the state, because of this bill. Pressure is growing on the NCAA to move the men’s basketball Final Four out of the state in future years.

Gov. Pence was trying to reframe the intent of the law by hiding behind a mistake that Bill Clinton made more than two decades ago. The problem with Republicans is that they don’t want to accept the fact that the country has changed since 1993. Discrimination against gays and lesbians is not acceptable. It is clear that Gov. Pence is using discrimination against gays to enhance his national political standing, but in the process he is harming the reputation of his state.

Gov. Pence doesn’t speak for all of the residents of Indiana. George Stephanopoulos did a great job of pressing the Indiana governor. The religious freedom facade has been exposed. Discrimination is discrimination, and it is clear that the direction Gov. Pence is taking Indiana in won’t be tolerated by the rest of the country.

88 Replies to “ABC’s George Stephanopoulos Crushes Gov. Mike Pence’s ‘Religious Freedom’ Facade”

  1. Poor poor pitiful Pence.

    Signed a blatantly discriminatory law, blames Democrats on the Internet.

    Personal responsibility Pence?

  2. mike pence just found out ’20 atta boys are cancelled by one Oh Screet’; he tried to impress the bat shit crazy people in his teaparty.

  3. “This is not about discrimination …”
    Translation: “Pay no attention to the homophobic business owners thumping their chests behind the curtain!”

    Reality check: the Indiana legislation is most definitely government-sanctioned discrimination — it’s how the Republican Party envisions “American exceptionalism”.

    Not having learned anything from their bigotry-motivated mistakes of the past, social conservatives strive to once again end up on the wrong side of history.

  4. All Federal Dollars should stop going into IN. They want to discriminate that is fine but Federal tax dollars should not support that.

  5. And Pence didn’t have the orchidia to answer a simple yes-or-no question. That is a man who is trapped by his ill-advised actions.

  6. Pence is a bigot pure and simple. The heat the people of Indiana are getting over this issue is his fault. If this bill is just a clarification of the law already on the books, why isn’t it on his agenda, to enact nondisciminatory language in the law? Thats easy, because it wouldn’t work the way it was intended.

  7. It just stuns me when someone blatantly makes a really bad decision..then backs it up by not only signing the bill at night with a selected audience but goes on TV to tell everyone that the media is making a mess of their explaining what the bill is about, followed by saying they have no intention on changing it, followed by refusing to answer a simple question with a yes or no…THEN that someone is surprised at people’s reaction to said bill. Many times these particular people thinks this is a pathway to POTUS on top of it all……Really?

  8. It’s that darn internet. Who said people should be able to complain about a TEA BAGGER signing a blatantly discriminatory law anyway? And of course blame the media, that’s always in the repug tool chest.

  9. so can they now refuse to make a cake for a native american or muslim wedding? wtf happened to good old fashioned american capitalism? it just makes it look like america is becoming more and more divided and creating ways to separate us further. tragic.

  10. Would’ve been nice for Stephanopoulos to give the same “straightforward” grilling to Darren Wilson, too, instead of the slobbering lollipop session he received.

  11. It is so hard to answer a yes or no question. He can dace around the answer all he wants. He’s going to find out that he’s not going to have a dance partner. YES or NO, Mikey. Answer the question, honestly for a change.

  12. The “invisible hand” of free market forces is about to give Pence (and Indiana) a very expensive and damaging atomic wedgie.

    There’s no rule that says the yearly race has to stay in Indiana.

    How about “The Minneapolis 500?”

  13. “…. a court in neighboring New Mexico in 2013 decided that a photographer who refused to document a same-sex couple’s commitment ceremony had violated New Mexico’s public accommodations laws. RFRA was also involved in that case, which was declined by the Supreme Court.”

    When the SCOTUS declined to hear this case, it meant that the photographer violated NM public accommodation laws. So, yes, according to SCOTUS, if a florist refused to provide flowers for a gay wedding they are breaking the law.

    Most states have the same, or similar, laws covering public accommodation. The law passed by Pence is in direct conflict with those same laws.

    And I find it pitiful that all Pence could do was hem and haw his way around the questions Stephanopoulos asked without complaining that it was all about people on the internet making it a one issue conflict.

    How does he think it isn’t?

  14. Pentz the tea bag putz knew exactly that he was signing, a “Law to bigit” bill

    Yes = appeasing my ignorant bigoted tea bag base and admit to losing business and $$

    No = pissing off my ignorant bigoted tea bag base but still admit to losing business and $$

    Either way he’d screw himself

    I hope Indianastan suffers immensely

  15. Religion was created by MEN to keep the feeble minded under control, ignorant and scared shitless!

    George Carlin:
    “Religion is morphine for the masses”

  16. Hey Pence…yes or no…answer the fuc%#ng question!!! Kinda want to slap politic ians when they pull this crap. Infuriating.

  17. I was a bit harsh with my words with Pence online, but honestly, if he wants to prove it, he will make everyone a protected class as long as it is within the bounds of law. Governor Pence, if you want to fix this problem, you need to revise it to exempt discrimination, as long as it is within the bounds of law.

  18. LMFAO, pence, like 99.9999999999999999% of the GOP is just a modern version of the crusades and the Spanish enquistions!! the GOP leadership is a HEAVLY, MALE, WHITE- ELDERLY- WEALTHY!, point blank!! that’s not my opinion! it’s a FACT!! HELL the very word CONSERVATIVE reeks of OLD mildew, mold and ben gay!! these ASS CLOWNS would do the KOCH BROTHERS dirty deeds for FREE! to turn back the clock! they don’t want just the 1950’s, they want the 1750’s!! BTW for our resident republican WOMEN TROLLS, if I’m correct,you ladies back in 1750’s! couldn’t own property or vote!! lol and you gals insist on voting republican????? unreal

  19. To infer that George crushed Mike is bullshit. Mike Pence OWNED that interview. He OWNED IT!!!

    He got HIS talking point in at least 5 times. And he NEVER answered the yes/no question.

    GEORGE got crushed.

    And what’s going to happen, if not in Indiana, then somewhere in ‘Murika… someone is going to deny service to a Christian, because of THEIR “deeply held religious beliefs” .. and then it is going to be on like Donkey Kong.

    Be careful, so-called Christians, what you are calling in. Because this is SO going to backfire on you.

    In the words of Jesus Himself: “This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.” Matthew 15:8 kjv

  20. We need more economic pressure on the republicans of the state of Indiana. If we are to keep our country as a freedom example for the world, discriminatory laws should be stamped out as soon as they appear. Our Constitution and laws are solid. Let us keep it that way.

  21. Yup -it’s a great show. He’s incurring the ridicule and condemnation of big business and municipalities all over the nation, AND, as an extra added bonus, he can kiss his Presidential aspirations good-bye!

    Quite festive.

  22. Well you know there is a problem when you can’t answer a simple question. Republicans are so good at dodging a simple question. He knows he made a hugh mistake and will come back to bite him in the end.

  23. I am driving to the west coast next month and have now chosen a route that is less direct but avoids Indiana. I would not spend a penny in that state until they repeal this discriminatory law!

  24. Just a question – I realize that the IN gov signed the bill into law but why aren’t we hearing anything about the legislators that created the bill? Aren’t they just as bigoted?

  25. “And what’s going to happen, if not in Indiana, then somewhere in ‘Murika… someone is going to deny service to a Christian, because of THEIR “deeply held religious beliefs” .. and then it is going to be on like Donkey Kong.”

    yes, I think our nation’s founders probably have gone down this simple logical path in deciding to separate church and state. It’s contained in the universe of logical outcomes none of which is beneficial to the nation or to humankind. It is a path the christianists have decided to take in direct contradiction to the founders. Remember they sought recognition for ending communism, they’re totally dedicated to theocracy, they are instructed by their god, to whom they are totally dedicated. Their disregard of the Constitution illustrates.

    Your comment is brilliant. With your permission I would like to share it.

  26. Looks like he got beat up on this one . But that was the intention .The law that Indiana is being attacked mirrors federal law and also a law in 19 other
    states The Indiana bill reflects the 1993 federal Religious Freedom
    Restoration Act, passed by a nearly unanimous Congress and signed into law by President BillClinton. While that law was originally intended to apply to both federal and state government actions, the Supreme Court ruled in 1997 that is applied only federally. Subsequently, 19 states passed their own versions of the law, explicitly applying it at the state level as well. President Barack Obama,
    who was at that time a state senator, voted in favor of the Illinois
    Religious Freedom Act in 1998.

    The first RFRA was a 1993 federal law that was signed into law by Democratic
    president Bill Clinton. It unanimously passed the House of Representatives,
    where it was sponsored by then-congressman Chuck Schumer, and sailed through
    the Senate on a 97-3 vote.

  27. I agree and I would support if a Christian was not served if the burden the law requests is shown . For instance a gay baker was taken to court for nor writing God Hates Gays on a cake . Under this act the Baker could have said printing such a thing is against his religious Faith , No where in the Bible does it say God hates Homosexuals . No where . It would violate His Faith to do so . As would making a doctor do an abortion , carry out perhaps a mercy suicide in states where it is legal to kill the sick or elderly . Other issues such as making a someone pay for drugs that kill the unborn after conception . This bill reflects the same as Federal Law , In fact it was supported by then Senator Obama when he was a STATE Senator , he voted basically for the same bill . Obviously the government has over stepped themselves , and attempting to pull out the worse possible that may happen based on this appears to be more about hating religious people then respecting the rights and conscience

  28. You would think that anyone who considers themselves Christian, as Pence does, would wield their pen in a more constructive way, maybe to address the 30% of children in Marion county, 20% nationwide,that live in poverty, Jesus #1 on list of things that he commands them to do,…hypocrites!By the way,the literal translation of “Sharia law” is:Arabic, “moral code and religious law of a prophetic religion”. Seems Pence is in the Sharia law business!

  29. This is not Bill Clinton’s bill! Clinton’ bill was supposed to allow access to tax free status for non CHRISTIAN groups!
    That is how the bill was written and presented! The Supreme Court gutted the bill in the name of the KOCH Brothers!

  30. Pence got Owned big time on this one! George got him on all points! He ranted and raved like some of the troll we deal with!
    Pence hemmed and hawed! That is not making a talking point, that is hemming and Hawing! Then Pence tried the two way street! George jumped all over that one!
    Way to go! George!

  31. America will soon crush Indiana and this is just a short-term thing. When their economy suffers, watch how fast they’ll back off.

  32. I’ve used the suffix ‘stan’, but it’s an honest deal, let’s find our own suffix that adequately describes the depths of fooldom these folks are building.
    Google it, ‘meaning of ‘stan’, as in Afghanistan.

  33. Be careful, so-called Christians, what you are calling in. Because this is SO going to backfire on you.
    It could very well do the exact opposite.

    Politically, I think you’re peeing on the third rail again.

  34. What third rail would that be? I know social security, defense spending and protecting the 51st state are things that shall not be touch but outright bigotry? Explain yourself

  35. The wind of the white working class is blowing against progressives and has been since before the mid-terms. That third rail isn’t restricted to Social Security any longer. It can be several things. In this case, an unmerited, unwarranted attack on the most generous people in the entire world: American Christians.

    Risky business.

  36. George,
    Homosexuality is not a religion in Indiana or in 49 other states.
    Yeah, you crushed him. Ha!!
    You’re such a loon.

  37. George,
    You may notice in most stores, as you look up, that there is a sign that reads ” we reserve the right to refuse service to anyone”. Just one of those pesky unalienable rights, I guess.

  38. So how do you think conservative pundits would respond if an Indiana business owner decided to ban anyone wearing a crucifix from his/her establishment … in an act of ‘freedom of religious expression’ of course?

  39. Wait until they all start losing money and biz…THEN they will see the light! Money has a way of changing ones ideals.

  40. That does not mean you can refuse service to them because of their demographic, and that has been settled law for half a century.

  41. As a matter of fact. No! I do see it occasionally at the local greasy spoon and gas station! I have yet to see that on display at as Red Lobster or Olive Garden!

  42. Religion is a choice, therefore I can refuse service to you because you chose to be religious and it offends ME and my religion. Can’t wait to hear the squealing from Faux Christians when this happens! Ask Marcus Bachman.

  43. Finally, someone in the news business acting like a journalist. Maybe Chuck Todd should watch this a few dozen times and learn what being a journalist really is. What happened to Mike Pence is what should happen to all the politicians who spout lies. Instead of ignoring the lies, call them out on them. That is what being a journalist is. Thank you George for being a journalist this past Sunday.

  44. I think everyone has a right to be served, but everyone also has a right to their religious beliefs. People like George will be the ones that cause us to lose our religious beliefs. George was vicious and unprofessional. He is supposed to see both sides of every story. I was never crazy about him and now I have no respect for him at all.

  45. Gov. Pence is dead wrong when he speaks of an “overreach” by the federal government. Bills of Rights are citizens way of protecting themselves from overreach by any of the branches of government at any level. Indiana’s “Religious Freedom” law is just a legislative/executive attempt to limit the civil rights of some because their condition, endowed upon them by “laws of nature and of Nature’s God,” is perceived by some to constitute a threat to their unsubstantiated religious opinion. Indiana’s “Religious Freedom” is an overreach by Indiana’s legislative and executive branches of government.

    These naturally-endowed conditions do no harm to anyone else’s person or property. Indiana’s “Religious Freedom” law is clearly unconstitutional.

  46. What are you on about? No one is interfering with anyone’s religigious beliefs. This is about using one’s religious beliefs as an excuse to enforce one’s prejudices in a secular setting.

  47. Your tin foil hat is on too tight if you don’t think this is just a license to be abigot. He said he wouldn’t add an antidiscrimination clause to the law. Don’t you have to wonder why that would be a problem? The problem being the law is meant to discriminate. It is rendered useless for the purpose it was written by adding such a clause.

  48. President Clinton could only “Gain Support for a Don’t Ask Don’t Tell Compromise Measure”. President Clinton himself has stated that Signing The Defense of Marriage Act was “A Mistake”. The Republicans “Controlled Congress in 1996”. The Law was passed in 1996 by a Margin Wide Enough to “override a potential Veto”. Even if President Clinton “Vetoed this Legislation”, The Republican Congress would have easily “Overridden a Clinton Veto of DOMA”.

  49. To refute some of the comments made here.
    Yes God did say homosexuality is an abomination. Leviticus. Loo it up. Christ said marriage was between a man and a woman. Mathew. Lookit up.
    As far as this law is concerned, it was brought about because in other states, there has been a litany of litigation against bakers, florists and wedding photographers being sued for everything. Losing homes, businesses and fines of 150k simply because gays were targeting them based upon their faith. Why on earth do gays want Christians that find what they are doing at their nuptials? Makes no sense.
    The law is there to protect Christians and other faiths. Where is their protection? Why should they be compelled into helping sanctify that which their faith prohibits?
    If those gays would simply gone elsewhere there would be no rpoblem. Instead they chose to disrespect someone’s faith and rub their nose in it and do everything they can to ruin them. Hence the law. A shame there has to be one.

  50. If you’re offering ordinary goods or services in ordinary commerce, you have to offer them to whoever can pay. That has been settled for half a century.

  51. Not really. The Federal Civil Rights Act guarantees all people the right to “full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, and accommodations of any place of public accommodation, without discrimination or segregation on the ground of race, color, religion, or national origin.”

    The right of public accommodation is also guaranteed to disabled citizens under the Americans with Disabilities Act, which precludes discrimination by businesses on the basis of disability.
    No where is there Federal protection of gays under the civil rights acts. Some states have passed a broader civil rights platform act but not all. In Indiana’s case. there is now an act specifically protecting people of faith that find certain things against their faith and do not want to participate.
    Again, why force them?

  52. Why force them? Why force white racists to refuse service to people of color? Why not allow gay citizens to close the doors in the faces of christians? Bigotry is wrong. That’s why.
    You’re looking for an excuse justify your bigotry? These are American citizens you’re talking about discriminating against. That’s considerably worse the the inconvenience of having to admit there are gay people in our culture.
    The religious Right is intellectually unprepared for a modern, inclusive culture. Just like the Southern racists of the last century, they use their religion as a cudgel to injure people who don’t resemble them.
    Once again, christians fail at being Christian.

  53. What a bullshit excuse. Thats a 2000 year old book, thats been edited to fit, whatever church you happen to belongs beliefs. I was raised catholic but see a need for some updating to that book. Even the pope says “who am I to judge.” Christianity and religion should not be used as a cover to discriminate.

  54. Actually Christians are trying to remain christians. they follow what the bible tells them. Christian don’t refuse service to blacks. But God never condemned blacks. I am talking true Christians.
    Do you who keep referring to our founding fathers saying this is what our country was built on really think that gays were smiled upon? Then you better read the laws they helped write not only federally but in their states. they definitely thought homosexuality was wrong.
    And as I said before, the Civil Rights Act does not protect gays. Sorry.But now there is a law to protect people of faith from being sued of they choose not to participate in their weddings so business owners in Indiana can’t lose everything they worked for because they do not want to service or participate in sanctioning a homosexual wedding.
    As God said tho, Love the sinner, hate the sin. Treat gays well and do not hate.
    Because you believe people of faith have no rights then you are the bigot.

  55. So, by bringing up bills that were passed by Clinton TWENTY TWO years ago and Obama SEVENTEEN years ago – you are basically saying, “But look what they did though!” The standard defense for a kindergarten student doesn’t work in the grown-up world. Also, I am sure if we put your actions of two decades ago under a microscope there would be at least a few things you wouldn’t still decide to do and/or say. [WINK]

  56. Hmmm. well if you are an atheist then you still shouldn’t be a bigot and tell me I have no right to believe the bible.

  57. Pardon me for my reply above. I mixed two replies into one. This was my reply to you Francine. Hmmm. well if you are an Catholic then you still shouldn’t be a bigot and tell me I have no right to believe the Bible. Do you really believe that you can take god’s word and just “update” what he has told you? And the Pope, you left out how he said there would be NO gay marriage in the Catholic Church. right?

  58. I would be willing to bet this is an ALEC bill. It’s already been announced in Michigan, and, at least two other states, since Pence signed it in Indiana.The Constitution bans “an establishment of religion”, and that is exactly what these people are doing, establishing Christianity in all it’s various forms, as THE state and federally mandated religion.Let’s all remember that these Christionists are the very same people who DEFEND the right of Americans to use their guns to blow away 5 and 6 and 7 year old kids in their schools. They want to put more guns in schools, so when a gunman enters the building, more kids will be killed, because, instead of one shooter in the school, there will be many shooters with the kids in between.
    These are the same people who keep building the barriers for INTELLIGENT people to get elected in this country, instead of the idiots like Gohmert, who claims on the HOUSE FLOOR, that it’s natural for water to burn.

  59. Well, humm, where to start? You can believe what you want no problem with that. Now when you start stoning people or gouging their eyes out, because the bible tells you so, I would imagine even some thumpers would have a problem there. I was raised catholic, that doesn’t mean I’m a zombie for the catholic religion. Even the Vatican does an update every now and then.(the earth is not flat, the sun doesn’t revolve the earth) As for the pope saying there will be no gay marriages preformed by the catholic church, I don’t agree, but he again isn’t judging them or excommunicating them. I don’t see where any of your points are valid.

  60. —–Just like the Southern racists of the last century—-Christian & the KKK—They may not have been able to prepare a good home style meal, but they sure were gourmet chefs at cross roasting. Can’t get anymore christ-yun than they were.[wink]

  61. This guy is a weasel. There is no way he is going to answer the question, because to do so truthfully would be to admit that the law is legalized discrimination and that he is a homophobe!

  62. George Stephanopolas – I would like to know (with just a “yes” or “no” answer) have you quit beating and abusing your wife and children yet? This is the same kind of question you are so brazenly asking the governor, isn’t it?

  63. The Indiana Law differs substantially from The Federal Religious Freedom Restoration Act signed by President Bill Clinton in 1993.

  64. Indiana Governor Mike Pencecould not answer the question with a yes or no because of the way it was asked. To make the matter worse the news media would not let him explain. The Indiana law doesn’t discrimenate against people ! It protect people who believe that the ACT of Homosexualaty is against their religious belief. As a Christian they should not be forced to taake part in helping someone commit any act they belive is immoral.

    If we force people to help someone commit a immoral act then we can not punish anyone for commiting ANY immoral act. Consenting adults should be able to have sex in thearters bars cafes or busses even if their partner is an animal, a brother or a sister or mother. You have to have some standard point of reffrance to decide what is and isn’t moral or immoral. Until 2000 it was the Bible if you are taking that away then someone must write a new set of rules or just do away with ALL moral rules.

  65. Just fantasizing about a sign for a store window now. Not accepting the business of anyone who does not support gay rights. Hahahaha! That would be a great comeback. Love your post.

  66. When is on Stephanopoulos on? Going to start watching him? Refreshing…..a news guy with balls!

  67. Sadly, George Stephanopoulos is a hack. Due to his past employ, there is no reason why he should ethically be allowed to be hosting anything on any network. Still waiting for the LGBT folks to raise a voice for what is happening to homosexuals over in the Middle East, especially Iran.

  68. You must have been watching an entirely different interview. Mike came across as completely lacking in credibility. Even the most simple of simpletons could see past his “talking points” as a clear, unabashed effort to avoid answering the question. That might have worked some 20 years ago, but most are too savvy to fall for that nowadays. Sorry, Pence came across a laughingstock and, yes, George absolutely and unequivocally owned Pence. Pence embarrassed himself on a national stage.

  69. George is one of the biggest hypocrites in the media. Did he ever, ever ask Obama, H. Clinton, Eric Holder, Al Sharpton “yes or no?” Of course not. Of course he is a part of the dying liberal media. How are those ratings working for you ABC?

  70. Here’s a question for CFR propagandist George Stephanopolis. George do you honestly believe perversion and sodomy are healthy wholesome activities our culture should embrace and legitimatize? Perversion and sodomy are not healthy and wholesome activities and should not be promoted or legitimatized by anyone. Abnormal activities threatening the ability to provide rules for safe, stable, dependable marriage and family relationships are harmful to a strong social structure and should be discouraged. Safety, stability, and reliability are essential qualities in any successful family, regardless of its composition. That stability is based on the union of a man and a woman and this should be respected by all members of society LGBT included. The definition of perverse is abnormal and homosexual sex is abnormal. Perversion is a gay-wrong not a human right. Society should not accommodate the perverse desires of a selfish few.

  71. It looks like you believe in small government because it is easier to insert in people’s orifices.

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