No, Being Told You Can’t Persecute People is Not Persecution

Christianity spent the better part of two thousand years persecuting and destroying all alternatives to itself. It never really willingly gave up its imagined right to do so.

In lamenting the failure of Indiana Republicans to pull off their legalized persecution of the LGBT community, Dr. Richard Land, president of Southern Evangelical Seminary, told OneNewsNow that,

This is where the analogy to the lunch counter and to segregation is completely and utterly disanalogous and disingenuous, because there is no community in America where a gay couple is not going to be able to find somebody who will be more than happy to provide that service for the fee. So why pick on a conservative Christian proprietor and under penalty of law weaponize the government and say, ‘You’ve got to do this, or we’re going to fine you, or we’re going to put you in jail, or we’re going to run you out of business’?

“And that, according to Dr. Land,” says OneNewsNow, “is the real discrimination that is taking place.”

“It’s ugly; it’s thuggish; it’s brutish. It’s the totalitarian left in all of its ugly face.”

Right. It’s the prevention of persecution that’s the real persecution.

When you hear things like this, you always wonder, did he say this out loud to himself before he said it to everybody else? Just to see if it makes sense?

Because it doesn’t.

This is an old story with Christianity, feeling persecuted just by having to co-exist with non-Christians. It was ridiculous two thousand years ago and it’s no less ridiculous today.

People saying, “No, I don’t feel like I’m going to accept your persecution of me today,” is not persecution. It never has been.

The United States Constitution says that all religions are equal before the law. Christians and others can feel they are special, but the law of the land is the Constitution, not the Bible (or the Qur’an or any other text) and the Constitution says “NO” to establishment of any religion.

Which means Dr. Land and his fascist cronies are not allowed to legalize religious-based persecution.

It’s really very simple. It should not be all that difficult for Land to grasp. He is an educated man, apparently. He should be able to understand that as well as I do. Even if, as Tom DeLay has insisted, God wrote the Constitution, he wrote a Constitution that guarantees religious freedom for ALL Americans – not just for any of his real or imagined Chosen People.

If you want ugly, thuggish, and brutish, you have only to look back through Christian history – at the genocide of Pagans in Europe and elsewhere, at the Crusades, the Inquisition, the Witch Burnings. Or Hobby Lobby refusing to sell Hanukah merchandise, or attacks on women’s reproductive rights all across the nation, or the so-called Religious Freedom Restoration Act’s failure to launch which Land is lamenting.

Persecution is not only telling other people they have fewer rights as you, aren’t as good as you, all because you say your religion says so, but then, in violation of the Constitution, legislating your beliefs into law.

That is persecution.

Gays and lesbians, women and Muslims, atheists and secularists – even children – those are the victims of persecution in this country.

Not Christians.

The persecutors are, as they have been through most of Western history, conservative Christians (and call them fake Christians if you will) doing what they has always done: embracing lies and hypocrisy while persecuting everyone they don’t approve of.

Richard Land is not a victim. He is one of those persecutors.

24 Replies to “No, Being Told You Can’t Persecute People is Not Persecution”

  1. One of the things that turned me off to religion (in general) and Christianity (in particular) was their Victim Mentality.
    That they are special because of their beliefs. And by fiat- need to have special accommodations.
    So, Thomas Jefferson was God eh? Strange how neither the Constitution, nor the Bill of Rights, mentions God, The Bible, or Jesus…

    CHRISTIAN, n. One who believes that the New Testament is a divinely inspired book admirably suited to the spiritual needs of his neighbor. One who follows the teachings of Christ in so far as they are not inconsistent with a life of sin.
    -Ambrose Bierce, The Devil’s Dictionary

  2. Until the last few years I had a whole different idea of a Christian. But thanks to the internet I am now watching politicis through a broader lens than the tightly controlled main stream media. And we all know it is not Christians that control the media.
    That definition of Christian is spot on. I have known a few people that tries to live a good decent life and wouldn’t think of actively persecuting other people but that is certainly not the case with the huge majority of people claiming to be Christian.

  3. If these hypocrite Christians would actually start living the true form of Christianity, they would embrace those different from them and see them as equally entitled to respect and non discrimination. But the greed-driven form of Kochtians are hate-filled, greedy, sexually obsessed crazies.

  4. Is it necessary for you to sink to their level? Even if you do actually have such thoughts, expressing them is counter-productive – you can’t persuade anyone by slinging muck.

  5. Is he being serious or playing politics of I am rubber, you are glue ( Karl Rove ) tactics…..Clearly the RW persecute women, gays, all other religions beside fundamental Christianity ..basically anyone, thing, that doesn’t fit into their GREEDY, SELFISH, nature.
    TRepublicans = GREED
    TRepublicans = power hungry, self righteous, judge mental evil, evil people!

  6. My favorite (slightly over-the-top) analogy I read yesterday on a different channel: “You don’t get to sport an SS symbol, then whine about being persecuted by the smelly, moaning hordes of people in the striped pj’s.” (That was in response to yet another christian claiming that the “leftists” were preparing the cattle cars for the christians.)

    Somebody else responded about the markedly theatrical, overly dramatic hysteria from these people – and it just clicked for me. That’s really all they’ve got left to fight the tide of people fed up to the gills with faux christian bigotry.

  7. Christians have complained of persecution since Roman times. And while they did, at that time, suffer persecution, they have done their own share of attempting to control peoples lives as anybody.

    While I agree, to some extent, his use of the bakery analogy, their persecution of the LGBT community goes way, way beyond that. In some states they have passed laws to allow discrimination in jobs, housing, even medical care.

    I don’t even want to start on the persecution, and attempted domination, of women. 1000 words could not even begin to cover what those so-called christians have done to them.

    I feel no sympathy for these poor, beleaguered, “christians”. If they feel persecuted it is nothing compared to what they have done to others.

  8. My father said years ago “You will find more hypocrites in church on Sunday, than in any pub in town on Saturday night” Does this homely fat man have his own private jet, like Franklin Graham, Dollar, Hinn and others? Nothing says “humility” more than flying hither and yon in a private jet.

  9. It’s possible that the day may come (soon, I hope) that being a victim and being persecuted will be a self-fulfilling prophesy.

    The fake christians seem oblivious to the adage, “be careful what you wish for.”

    History has proven time and again that hatred and bigotry destroys itself eventually.

  10. You are extremely naive if you think anyone on their side can be persuaded of anything. Slinging muck is what they do and the more we “rise above it” the more we sink.

  11. …I am looked upon as evil by those who feel that THEY are being oppressed because they cannot force to believe as they do. This alleged Dr. Land is a prime example of the constant need to lie to back up superstition that started with the biggest lie of all…the existence of a “god” We need to start enforcing by the laws the books the FIRM COMPLETE separation of church and state and fine them accordingly for each and every violation going back to the very first day as a nation. We need to bankrupt the Christian Reich Wing.

  12. God commends his own love towards us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten so, that whosoever believes in him should not perish but have everlasting life. He who believes in him is not condemned, but he who believes not is condemned already. And this is the condemnation,that light has come into the world and men loved darkness rather than light for their deeds were evil

  13. Muckraking and mudslinging is all these right wing religious extremists do or understand. You have to fight fire with fire. The religious right’s numbers are dwindling as their constituency ages, and their influence on society is dwindling along with them. The world is a global community now, not a group of tribal fiefdoms, and the internet has helped people realize that religion is a scam that’s all about money and power. Within a few decades the Southern Baptist Convention will be an unimportant little sect that exists only on the lunatic fringe. Land and his ilk will be laughed at by the rest of the world. It can’t happen too soon.

  14. On Sunday’s Face the Nation, he was confronted by CBS host Bob Schieffer about his narrow-minded stance on marriage equality. Perkins was doomed from the start, when host Bob Schieffer introduced Perkins’ organization as a hate group. With the intention to show just how ridiculous Perkins’ homophobic views were, Schieffer said:

    “The Southern Poverty Law Center has branded the Family Research Council an anti-gay hate group. We have been inundated by people who say we should not even let you appear because they, in their view — quote — you don’t speak for Christians.”

  15. Bravo, well said!

    I might add that people with absolute certainty (those “know” what happens to us in terms of an after-life replete with eternal damnation) can afford to be openly superior, blatant, arrogant and, smug in there knowledge; the rest of the human race can’t. The rest of the human race learns to live, adapt, and respect one another boundaries through peace.

    They don’t belong here…they need to do that “rap” thing they’re always trash talkin’ about…their big end game. They won’t go, though…

    They’re too chicken…

  16. Land said, ” So why pick on a conservative Christian proprietor…”

    So, in other words, are we supposed to go into every place we shop and ask what religion the proprietor follows? That’s not how I choose where to shop. I go where I can get the best buys and the products I want.

    The only place I no longer shop at is Hobby Lobby, since they put their beliefs out there for everyone to see. So please keep your religion to yourself and I will shop at your store until you put it front and center.

  17. Your first mistake achristian is even thinking that there actually IS a god. Beyond that anything you say is just psycho-babble.

  18. All that I could think of when I read this is ..Is this guy serious? The point isn’t that people in the LBGT community can go elsewhere, the point is that this is discrimination and it is Wrong and illegal.

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