Confederate Flag Designer Said It Is A Symbol Of White Supremacy – Not Southern Heritage

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Heritage is often defined as something inherited due to the place, time, or circumstances of someone’s birth. Heritage is not unlike culture which includes the behaviors and beliefs characteristic of a particular group transmitted from one generation to another. Both terms, heritage and culture, have been thrown around a lot recently by Americans living in the former Confederacy to defend their sick twisted clinging to a flag symbolizing white supremacy and treason against the United States of America.

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Southerners are quick to claim that the Confederate flag, no matter which version, has nothing whatsoever to do with either white supremacy (racism) or treason. In their estimation they know is a lie, the Confederate flag(s) are just a symbol of Southern heritage and culture. However, that was never what the flag symbolized and there is no better reference to what the flag stands for than the words of the treasonous racist who designed it.

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The white supremacist who designed the Confederacy’s flag(s), one William T. Thompson, gave the definitive reason why every Republican, KKK member, and so-called Southern heritage advocate still supports flying that symbol of treason and racism. Thompson was proud to admit that “As a people we are fighting to maintain the heavenly ordained supremacy of the white man over the inferior or colored race; a white flag would thus be emblematical of our cause. Such a flag would be a suitable emblem of our young confederacy, and sustained by the brave hearts and strong arms of the south, it would soon take rank among the proudest ensigns of the nations, and be hailed by the civilized world as THE WHITE MAN’S FLAG.”

Many Americans of all races today refer to any of the Confederacy’s flags as “the white supremacist’s flag” and they would not have been wrong during the Civil War and they are certainly not wrong in the 21st Century. When the racist flag’s defenders claim it is just an innocent symbol of their Southern heritage and culture, they are defending the white supremacy they know the flag symbolized during the Civil War continuing to the present. It is part of the Southern culture, and their beloved heritage, they have learned all their lives and likely studied in history classes.

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For example, in what is known as the Cornerstone Address, Vice President of the Confederacy Alexander Stephens railed against, and harshly condemned, the nation’s Declaration of Independence from England. He also believed, like evangelicals since the Supreme Court ruled same-sex marriage is legal in all 50 states, that the Founding Fathers’ assertion that “all men are created equal” is wrong and a lie.

Stephens said, “Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition.” That flag, no matter which version, is antithetical to the ideals on which America was founded and it is a fact that every resident of the South is very well aware and it is why they revere the racist symbol like it is their god.

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The KKK certainly understands what the Confederacy’s flag represents; the South’s white supremacist heritage.  It is why shortly after calls for the racist symbol’s removal from South Carolina government buildings and grounds, the Loyal White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan’s Pelham, North Carolina chapter reserved the Statehouse Grounds in South Carolina for a rally next month. James Spears, the Great Titan of the chapter, said the group would be rallying to protest “the Confederate flag being took (sic) down for all the wrong reasons. It’s part of white people’s culture.” It is important to note that “Great Titan” Spears did not say the flag was part of the South’s heritage, or to honor treasonous Confederate war dead, but that it is Southern “white people’s” culture; a culture founded in white supremacy and racial animus toward African Americans.

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In fact, the KKK Pelham chapter just changed its home page to demonstrate its vehement opposition to the white supremacist flag’s removal with the heading “Say No To Cultural Genocide,” and that “most white people are to [sic] cowardly to stand up for their heritage.” One hopes that most ‘white‘ people in America do not consider racism and white supremacist ideology any part of “their heritage,” but that hope is waning with more news that across the Confederacy African American churches are being set ablaze like it is still the Civil Rights era.

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Since Confederate hero Dylann Roof gunned down nine innocent African Americans for being free African Americans in the former Confederacy, there have been a string of arson attacks on other black churches in the South. The Southern Poverty Law Center reported last week that (at the time) “at least” six predominately Black churches in four Southern states were heavily damaged or destroyed by fire in less than a week’s time. Interestingly, although federal, state, and local law enforcement officials readily admitted that  most of the fires were set by arsonists, they are remiss to call them hate crimes committed by Confederate white supremacists. It is likely to avoid antagonizing racist Dylann Roof types who still cling to the belief that burning African American churches, like gunning down nine African Americans at a church bible study, is the Confederate way of “saying no to cultural genocide.” It is apparently the work of Southern white people who are not too cowardly to “stand up for their heritage,” or defend a flag designed to symbolize white superiority.

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The white superiority mindset never died in the South, and the KKK has spent over a hundred years not only keeping it alive and well, but has worked tirelessly behind the scenes propagating the idea that the white supremacy is the natural order. In 1915 the Ku Klux Klan employed a wildly popular film, the Birth of a Nation, for recruitment purposes and to promote its white supremacist vision according to historian Nancy MacLean’s 1994 book, Behind the Mask of Chivalry.

MacLean wrote; “In this racist epic of the Civil War, Reconstruction, and the restoration of white rule, (film maker) Griffith harnessed all the emotive power of modern film-making to convince viewers that black men were beasts and white vigilantes were the saviors of American civilization. Given the right to vote and hold office, the film averred, African-American men dragged society into chaos; worse, they used such power to stalk white women. In the final, climactic scene, the hooded and robed members of the Ku Klux Klan rode in to save the film’s young white heroine by castrating and lynching her black would-be assailant. Their act gave birth to a reunited America.” That reunited America is where the country stands today and it is abominable.

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Based on Confederate mass murderer Dylann Roof’s comments before slaughtering nine African Americans in their church, racism and chivalry is still an essential part of the South’s heritage and culture of white supremacy; not much has changed. The sad fact is that not only has little changed in the “culture and heritage” of the former Confederacy where predominately Black churches are still being burned, and African Americans are gunned down during a bible study, the Ku Klux Klan is still promoting a culture and heritage of white supremacy and defending a symbol that many Americans still believe ardently is a “part of white people’s culture.” The tragedy is that the Klan is right and according to a white supremacist Dylann Roof was encouraged by, the Charleston massacre is “just a preview of coming attractions.”

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115 Replies to “Confederate Flag Designer Said It Is A Symbol Of White Supremacy – Not Southern Heritage”

  1. It appears that current-day Republican culture, “has worked tirelessly behind the scenes propagating the idea that the white supremacy is the natural order” by working hand in hand amongst various fustilarian types; this is nothing new.

    A good read reminding us how history does indeed repeat itself…

    Fraud of the Century: Rutherford B. Hayes, Samuel Tilden, and the Stolen Election of 1876, by Roy Jr. Morris.

  2. I really like your website but how do I get rid of that idiotic font size box on the left which blocks all of the content I want to read?

  3. I’m white. But this Flag and the KKK culture is in dire need of some antibiotics.

    I applaud your efforts RMuse- but the White Supremacists don’t care about the truth- their minds (?) are made up.

    Good Article.

  4. first,the st andrew’s cross is the confederate battle flag,not the national flag of the confederacy.The flag of the confederacy(stars and bars)was a blue field with 7 stars,2 red stripes and one white stripe.It resembled the American flag on the battlefield and was changed,it changed to a white flag with a confederate flag as the fiels,then again changed before the war ended to the same as the second but with the addition of a red stripe down the end

  5. also,when a muslim blows up a building,we are told not to judge all muslims by the actions of one lunatic,but when a white guy speaks out against black people,all whites are considered racist

  6. Something to remember about true Liberal media sites like Politicus USA, The Daily Kos, etc.:
    They know very well that the insane minority of the GOP, the Cons, Teaidjits and Firebaggers (Libertarians) are not going to read their articles.
    The intended audience really aren’t the Liberal and Progressive Democrats, either. The intended audience are the VOTING majority of the GOP, the Progressives and Moderates.
    The Progressives and Moderates of the GOP know very well they’re not going to get the truth from Fox “News”, The Daily Caller, the Drudge Report, etc. So, they’re looking for the truth and they know they can find it in certain places.
    Also remember this: because Conservatives own 98% of the media in this country, the search for the truth can be a long one. Don’t expect the Fascist GOP’s corporate media waterboys to tell you the truth. they’ll either spread the GOP’s Fascist propaganda or simply ignore the Fascism and corruption of the GOP.

  7. Agree with you moongrim. Dislike the often repeated “black men are stalking white women” as an excuse to kill, even hunt black men and blame the black race for all the problems. When in actuality, it was the white owners who stalked and used black women, repeatedly. The KKK and the people who belong to it or believe in it, are the dregs of this country. Preachers like the Huckster belong in the same category.

  8. I’m certainly on the same side of this issue, regarding the actual history and negative implications of the history of this flag.

    As such, I wish people who share my position(even more than the “heritage not hate” crowd) would not spread any sort of related misinformation.

    I know the above graphic is a powerful message, but a dishonest one. Thompson did not design this flag, William Porcher Miles did. Thompson incorporated it into the 2nd official Confederate flag, the “Stainless Banner.”

  9. However, this flag was designed to be a confederate flag. The original designer, William Porcher Miles, not the man pictured above, was an extreme anti-abolitionist who not only wanted to secede over the issue of slavery, but to also bring back the 50-years-illegal African slave trade.

    The only reason it’s not an official Confederate flag, is because the rest of the committee on which Miles sat rejected it.

    Thompson later incorporated Miles’ flag into the 2nd Confederate flag, the “Stainless Banner”, to which the above quote refers.

  10. Show me one person who has ever suggested that a Black Panthers flag or any Muslim symbol should be raise on a pole over a government building, and you’ll find plenty who agree with you there, who also disagree with you here. Right and wrong do not only exist in these kinds of ridiculous contrasting extremes.

  11. Quote: “But this Flag and the KKK culture is in dire need of some antibiotics.” :End Quote

    Actually, the CONfederate rag need a good strong dose of rat poison!

  12. I love how people think the US flag isn’t white supremacist. The founding “Fathers” owned slaves they killed Iroquois my people, they only intended the rights of the bill of rights as well as citizenship for rich white men. The fact that even “Non racist whites” respect them shows what hypocrisy they have.

    The confederacy owned slaves for what, four years? The US owned them for over eighty years.

    George Washington was a tyrant who regarded my people as not even human. Not only that despite what George Washington, Jefferson and Franklin said about us they still got their democracy from our confederacy. You can look this up the US senate acknowledged this in 1988. I’m not saying my people never did wrong we had inter tribal warfare but our founding fathers was the Great Peacemaker and we stopped fighting between the 5 nations before whites came here. But what we did not do is establish a country on supremacy.

    You want to ban the dixie flag? Be logical ban the US flag too

  13. One thing they don’t acknowledge is slaves were raped & manipulated by their white slave masters & that’s why we have 50 shades of black & Strum Thurmond is an example of the hypocrisy of racists.

  14. I had this exact argument with someone yesterday. He said the confederate flag is a symbol of heritage. I said heritage for what? White supremacy? Our political arguments get loud & bitter. This time I kind of laughed & backed off a little. Next time he brings it up I’ll bookmark this article & say read this asshole.

  15. @Doris, I suggest you read the book “Time on the Cross”. Few slaves were raped by their masters simply because the whites were afraid of breaking down the barriers between the two races. There were also no brothels with black women in them in the south, either, for that reason also. That being said, Sherman should have been loosed on the South with fire and sword, Lincoln paid the ultimate price for his mercy.

  16. @Le Hunt, normally I overlook comments, shake my head and move on but yours deserved a response. Not sure what history book you read but research clearly shows that from the early 1600’s through the 1860’s white slaveholders commonly took female slaves for sexual pleasure. Now technically, you may be correct when you say they weren’t raped because that would imply that they had rights and clearly they did not. If you read the history for most of our southern port cities, e.g. New Orleans, Charleston, Norfolk, etc you’ll learn that were indeed brothels housing black female slaves to service predominately white sailors. Trust me when I tell you that there’s no way black slaves inpregnated white women to create the large number of mixed race children existing in our society from the earliest days. In fact, in certain areas of the country white masters thought it was their duty to create mixed children in order to breed the black out of us. P.S. the Holocaust was real.

  17. Well now. How about some historical homework? It was Democrats who seceded from the United States; and why? Because they did not want to give up slavery. It was Democrats who designed the Confederate flag. It was a Democrat who hung the Confederate flag over the South Carolina Capitol. The KKK was an arm of the Democrat party.

    Meanwhile it was the Republican Party who was the party of Lincoln and against slavery. Black abolitionist and activist Frederick Douglas wrote – “I am a Republican, a black, dyed in the wool Republican, and I never intend to belong to any other party than the party of freedom and progress”. And Martin Luther King, Jnr was a Republican until the day he died. Do you really think that such a man as MLK would be part of a racist, bigoted party? Really?

    Come on now…

    By the way – symbols can change. Before Jesus, the cross was a symbol of Roman persecution and torture – a symbol of fear. After Jesus died it came to stand for Himself and His sacrifice.

  18. I love the USA because we can still disagree with one another and still love the same country. We are a great country not because of a flag but, because we have something in common and that is to be free and we still are 237 yrs for sure!

  19. Let’s continue with our history lesson. The Republican and Democratic parties of the past were very different than the parties are today. In the 1960’s Barry Goldwater and Richard Nixon both used what is known as the Southern Strategy. They worked to appeal to conservative white southern voters who were opposed to desegregation. These voters were referred to as Dixiecrats. Goldwater and Nixon were successful in getting these voters to switch parties. After the Voting Rights Act was passed, the majority of black voters joined the Democratic party. White voters who supported desegregation and voting rights either remained Democrats or switched from the Republican party. So, as you can see, had you continued to study your history, it would be safe to say that both Lincoln and King would most likely be Democrats if they were alive today.

  20. I recently called and complained when I saw a Confederate flag flying in front of the courthouse in Hopewell, VA. I was told it was actually on the premises of a Confederate War Memorial and the city council had given permission for the UDC to fly it 30 days per year. It was the “Original Nation’s Flag” version and when I called the courthouse no one I talked to even knew what flag it was. I will bet those same people who had no clue to the flag then are defending it vehemently today.

  21. Dude you are way wrong on the second part….when a white guy speaks out against black people for an unbelievable reason, that white guy will get called out.

  22. I have to laugh at Fletch.

    He must have fallen into a coma in the mid-50’s and just woke up on January 20, 2009.

    Poor Fletch. How can anyone take such a numbskull seriously?

  23. Billy Bob, you may be so full of shit your eyes are brown.

    But that don’t make you black.

    That Flag- is racist. And no amount of whiny impersonation is gonna change that fact.

  24. Your image is incorrect:

    It labels William T Thompson as ‘creator of the Confederate flag’ yet has the Battle Flag in the background. William Thompson was a native of Ohio, not the South. The reference quoted was from an article he submitted the a newspaper since the Confederacy hadn’t yet adopted his submission for a national flag. Although adopted it was replaced by the 3rd National flag.

    The true creator of the current flag that flies, the Confederate Battle Flag, is a native son of South Carolina, William P Miles. Born in South Carolina, his early career included the study of law as a mathematics professor at the College of Charleston from 1843 to 1855. Miles was elected as mayor of Charleston in 1855 and served in the United States House of Representatives from 1857 until South Carolina seceded in December 1860.

  25. (continued from above)

    Miles chaired the “Committee on the Flag and Seal” and although his own design wasn’t selected (instead the Stars and Bars or 1st National was) it eventually became the Confederate Battle Flag adapted by General PGT Beauregard as the battle flag of the Army of Northern Virginia.

  26. Actually a grand total of THREE Dixiecrats “switched parties” – Thurmond, Helms, and Godwin. The rest (listed below) were Democrats for life.

    Orval Fabus
    Benjamin Travis Laney
    John Stennis
    James Eastland
    Allen Ellender
    Russell Long
    John Sparkman
    John McClellan
    Richard Russell
    Herman Talmadge
    George Wallace
    Lester Maddox
    John Rarick
    Robert Byrd
    Al Gore, Sr.
    Bull Connor

    Here endeth the history lesson.

  27. ps, Martin Luther King died in 1968, YEARS after the supposed “switch” after 1964. And he was STILL Republican, and STILL would be today, just like his niece.

  28. The Battle Flag

    William Porcher Miles of South Carolina, the chairman of the Committee for the Flag and Seal, created it. He offered his first version of the flag during a meeting of the committee in one of the senatorial chambers. His original version was rectangular and contained only seven stars (seven states seceding). The flag committee refused the design…but Miles continued his efforts by sending sketches of it to his friend, Beauregard. Beauregard offered some help…but to no avail. Miles quit his position with the Confederate Government…and joined Beauregard in Charleston…and was on Beauregard’s staff when we bombarded Ft. Sumter.

    retrieved from: Note it came from an organization, not .com, makes a big difference

  29. Here continueth the History Lesson that Republican Revisionists would like to have you ignore:

    “One day we must ask the question, ‘Why are there 40 million poor people in America?’ And when you begin to ask that question you are asking questions about the economic system, about a broader disposition of wealth. When you ask that question you begin to question the capitalistic economy …you begin to ask the question, ‘Why is it that people have to pay water bills in a world that is two-thirds water?’”

    -Martin Luther King jr.

    Words of a Republican? Or a Democrat?

    For sure.

  30. Too bad this is false.. But thanks for spreading a false rumor.

    A Provisional Congress of the Confederate states decided on a proper flag. The Stars and Bars was raised over the Confederate Capitol Building Its seven white stars stood for the seven cotton states that formed the Confederacy.

    The Second Confederate National Flag was adopted on May 1, 1863. It was designed by William T. Thompson and consisted of a white field with the Confederate battle flag as the canton.

    The Third Confederate National Flag was adopted one month before General Robert E. Lee’s surrender to General Ulysses S. Grant. This flag was created to solve the problem of the Second National flag being easily soiled and also confused with a surrender flag.

  31. What false rumor?

    The Canton of the Official Flag of the Confederacy bears an uncanny resemblance to the “Stars and Bars” that is being worshipped by southern racists today, (sarcasm).

    That’s because it is one and the same.

    Vice President of the Confederate government said in the Cornerstone Address, specifically addressing America’s belief that all men are created equal:

    Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition. ~ Alexander Stephens

    Try as they might, the Southerners and Racists of America will not be a success in muddying the Truth.

  32. Hard to take part in factual discussion on the flag issue without running into a lot of folks who don’t know their history.
    And the author of this blog is incorrect (purposely) by suggesting that all Republicans defend that confederate flag. Myself, and most other Republicans that I know absolutely do not, and have NEVER supported what the Confederate flag actually stands for: Treason and the support of a white-supremacist, pro-slavery government that existed for no other reason than to perpetuate slavery.

  33. I’m not defending it because I think it’s fucking disgusting but, because I think it’s truly important for *both* sides to at least attempt to stop slinging bullshit “facts” in debates like this one, I need to point out that this is NOT the flag Thompson was talking about

    The flag commonly referred to as The Confederate Flag (the one in the OP’s pic) was actually the battle flag of the Army of Northern Virginia (Lee’s army) and was designed by William Porcher Miles

    The flag designed by Thompson, and the one to which he was referring in his quote, was the 2nd flag adopted as the Confederate National Flag (Google Image it).

    Yes, that damn flag represents hate and slavery. Yes, it’s fucking disgusting and needs to come down off of all public property and YES, I want to set every last one of the god damned things on fucking FIRE…. BUT, this article is still wrong

    Attack these ignorant fucks with facts. Let them be the ones who make shit up. It just makes them look even dumbe…

  34. I think this where the confusion lies at. It was a white flag with the battle flag of the Army of Northern Virginia in its corner. The reason it was changed to the rag we are talking about today was because if there was no wind it would look like a flag of surrender
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    Now if the traitors wanted to celebrate their heritage why not us that one or this one
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    The original flag of the confederacy?

    No, they choose the one that the klan use to terrorize blacks since they got they ass kicked. That’s not heritage that is pure hatred dressed up in white supremacy

  35. This article enrages me. A friend posted it on her fb page & that is how I saw it. Rmuse, good job, but you can go to hell. Symbolism has been the fabric of ideals, religions & states. Monies, clans, icons,& flags have symbolized many things over time and many have held deep emotional ties to such things. Today, I may not agree with what your symbol stands for, but do I have the audacity to tell you when or how you may display that symbol? What about CHE, the Nazis or Mickey Mouse? How about the Cross & Star of David? What’s next? The Confederate Flag may distress people, but who can judge whether or not someone may display it? Shall I turn in all my Skynyrd vinyl? I have never owned or flown that flag. My family fought for the South. I am from a former Confederate state. The Confederacy is a part of what we, as a nation, are today. Some symbols aren’t tasty. Instead of worrying about symbols, we should be more concerned about our 2nd Amendment rights due to another misguided killer.

  36. So the only remaining question is whether Thompson included the erroneous use of the word “fourth” for “forth” in his original written comment, or was the error introduced by a reporter or meme-creator?

  37. Hmmmm, Interesting the individual who is attributed to having designed the Confederate flag is not describing the Southern Cross or soldiers flag.

    He describes his vision in 1863 a full 2 years into the war.

    How is it possible then that he speaks to the origins of the design of the flag of the Army of Northern Virgina?

    Just sayin’

  38. Would you be saying the same if say…a bunch of child molesters organized and chose the Confederate Flag for their ‘symbol’?

    How about a bunch of racist murderers? Would that make a difference?

    It needs to go away.

  39. It must be part of a vast conspiracy to take away ‘white heritage’. Or the heritage of white dipshits that is.

    So a misplaced ‘u’ must be the entirety of calling into question the entire article.

  40. So, when are they going to show the flag that represented the Confederacy? That flag I shall happily consign to the museums and wish that it never more fly as a gesture of respect for the ideals of equality. Unfortunately, nobody is showing that flag; instead they are complaining about the Battle Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia, which has the same degree of political relevancy as the Battle Colors of the United States Army.

  41. Its political relevancy is that it was chosen as the insignia of the KKK; that Dylann Roof picked it as his own standard while desecrating the Stars and Stripes; and that it flew at full staff above our national flag even as the victims’ cortege passed.

  42. It amazes me you racist simpletons go back in history to make some asinine point. Yes he was a Democrat but they, like the republicans of today were the white supremacy party.

  43. He is referring to the fact that William Thompson did not design the confederate battle flag, he merely advocated incorporating it into the CSA national flag. William Porcher Miles who did design the flag was also a strong defender of slavery. the misquote doesn’t really change it’s nature just makes the author look like they do not check their sources.

  44. YOU sheeple kill me with this fake outrage all of the sudden about the confederate flag. You are insulting our intelligence talking that “the flag is racist” captain obvious bullcrap. This flag discussion has been going on for years. Ya’ll outsiders were minding your own business then, so keep minding your own business now please. We already solved the problem that YOU think you see all of the sudden, but we solved it about 10 years ago.

    Allow me edify YOU on something, as the debate about the flag was brewing up 10 years ago, WE, down here in the south, were enlightened to who the real supporters of the flag were. It became glaringly obvious that ALL supporters of the flag had a contagious but dying form of mental illness known as racist retardation. And to help the uninfected, they voluntarily labeled themselves with the X known as the confederate flag. It was just a big misunderstanding, so we decided to let them keep their X. Now that YOU know, get outta here… GONE GIITT!!!

  45. Informative article with good points, but you lost me when you used the term, “every resident of the South…” Apparently you’ve never had a logic class? I am from the South, born and raised. The Confederate flag is obviously a racist symbol, and there are many of us who are aware of that fact. It might surprise you to find out how many folks in the South actually have NO Southern roots, but have migrated from other parts of the US. Some of these “newbies” embrace the Southern Heritage” justification. Just goes to show that racism doesn’t all begin and end in this part of the country. It’s all in how you are raised.

  46. Look you lost all cred with me when you said the Red Hot Chili Peppers was the greatest funk band of all time. You are not who you say you are or you are one incredibly IGNORANT DUMBASS

  47. P.s. The KKK is so far from relevant now that it’s almost hilarious you even mention them. Everyone knows they’re a bunch of racist imbeciles. Their choice of symbolism crosses approximately nobody’s mind when they choose to fly the flag. General Lee was, by all accounts, a great man and I refuse to be ashamed for flying the flag of his army.

  48. History and the evolution of anything must be preserved for the simple fact that without it there will never be a learning facet for future generations and then of course it would be highly possible for repetition. Exaggerated emotional decisions based on any one group’s personal opinions will be the downfall of this country by creating barriers of discord.

  49. This is a nice little bit of propaganda BUT William T. Thompson actually designed the second flag of the Confederacy and USED the design of the Army of Northern Virginia in his design. The battle flag of the Army of Northern Virginia was actually designed by William Porcher Miles. A moderate who supported slavery and secession.

  50. Your way off base. First, the flag in pic wasn’t the William porcher miles flag. 2nd both him & the original flag maker are DEMOCRATS! :)

  51. Not “are DEMOCRATS”, it’s “were DEMOCRATS”. It’s amazing how many of the GOP of today and many of the Democrats of the 1860’s would feel very comfortable at the KKK meetings.

  52. “The Real Enemies are those who would defend Bullshit like the Flag of Traitors and Racists.”

    Then the current configuration of the United States of America falls under these guideline as the Native Americans were brutalized, raped, murdered, and rounded up and live in small tribes by the Europeans who “settled” this land.

  53. How stupid are you people? The flag could not have been designed for southern heritage because heritage takes a long, long time to develop. Today, the flag most certainly is a symbol of southern heritage, and you have to be dumber than a potted plant to think otherwise.

    But the real point you miss is that it’s none of your damned business. If you don’t think the flag has anything to do with southern heritage, fine, that’s your right. But others do believe it is, and that’s their right. You don’t get to ban something just because you don’t like it.

    [That last line was improvident. Learn some manners.]

  54. Wow! I have read most of this comments and the amount of venom that has been put forth here is discouraging. Kudos to those that have expressed there opinion without name calling, explicits, and just plain rudeness. Like it or not the Civil War is part of America’s history (heritage). Like it or not ‘white supremacy’ was an American problem not just a Southern problem;(most done under the American flag). If the war was all about slavery then why did Missouri, Kentucky, Delaware, and Maryland not leave the Union? Why were numerous resolutions passed in congress to legalize slavery if the states would not succeed; which would have prevented the war. Approximately 620,000 AMERICANS died more than in WWI, WWII, Korea, and Vietnam; many were fighting for their state not for slavery. In 1860 there were approximately 25 million slave worldwide-4 million in America. Today there are about 29 million slaves-60,000 in America; what are we doing about it?

  55. Many are out there to divide us; democrat/republican, white/black, gay/not gay, conservative/liberal. southern/northern, etc. etc. There seems to be a new way everyday to divide. Hate cannot be conquered by spouting more hate. Wouldn’t it be nice if we could start respecting one other whether we agree with one another or not?

  56. Why should I rebut anything? The article has some interesting facts but it leaves out many facts also. True history is about ALL the facts not just the ones you like. For example Thompson was from OHIO. Where are Lincoln’s ‘white supremacist’ quotes? In a previous comment Tehotenonhkeri Okwaho made a very good point in his eyes and maybe in many others the US flag is a racist symbol. The KKK did not just wrap themselves in the confederate flag they wrapped themselves in the US flag as well.

  57. Confederates lost the war

    They died to preserve their way of life
    their way of life profited off the imprisonment of human beings

    and we are debating flags!! if the symbol was a moon it wouldn’t matter the issue is that the confederates held it up to represent them in battle.

    A battle they lost which is why I, a Black man
    have the opportunities i have now. The flag just puts a middle finger up to all minorities

  58. The funny thing here is that all of you have a piece of it correct. I am not raciest by any means and I actually think racism is the thing that is destroying America. There were 3 flags made, they were to support the south in the war. The Southern states were fighting not only to not be governed but to also keep their rights to own slaves. This is why it is seen as a racist flag. Those who claim southern pride have a right to do so and those who are opposed to the flag have that right as well. I don’t care what party what person belonged too, hate is hate and it is a learned trait. So try giving your opinion (that you are entitled too) without expressing so much hate. Fact remains, things have changed. Yes there was slavery and for those who were raised not to hate someone based on the color of their skin, thinks that part of our history just plain sucks. Those that are raised to hate are stuck in a time that no longer exists and either feel they are entitled to something or are simpl…

  59. (cont) superior to others. There will always be some kind of issue that arises because of the hate that is still taught to our children and who will teach their children the same horrible trait. It seems to be the one thing that will never change. As long as you have hate for someone because they are “different” from you then don’t expect to see this country ever come together as a United front.

  60. Are you crazy? The parties switched in the 60’s BECAUSE the democratic party started supporting civil rights, and all the racists went to the GOP. Everyone who knows ANYTHING knows this!

    “I will say, then, that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races—that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races that prevents them from living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man, am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.” – Charleston, ILL. 18 September, 1858.

    “Negro equality, Fudge! How long in the Government of a God great enough to make and maintain this Universe, shall there continue to be knaves to vend and fools to gulp, so lo…

  62. Did you know that the Confederates took the Cross off their flag to avoid offending religious people? Miles, (the designer) described these changes and his reasons for making them in early 1861. The diagonal cross was preferable, he wrote, because “it avoided the religious objection about the cross (from the Jews and many Protestant sects), because it did not stand out so conspicuously as if the cross had been placed upright thus”. He also argued that the diagonal cross was “more Heraldric [sic] than Ecclesiastical, it being the ‘saltire’ of Heraldry.” So what significance did the Southern Cross have? (Southern Literary Messenger January 1862) “The truth is, we shall see the Southern Cross ere the destiny of the Southern master and his African slave is accomplished…at the banks of the Amazon. is the natural heritage of the Southron and his domestic slave. They alone can achieve its conquest and lay its untold riches at the feet of Queen Commerce, the consort of King Cotton

  63. Did you get that, readers? The Southern Cross was being used as a symbol for spreading slavery all the way through South America(!) The Knights of the Golden Circle (KGC) were a pro-slavery secret society in the mid-nineteenth-century United States. The original objective of the KGC was to annex a golden circle of territories in Mexico (which would be divided into 25 slave states), Central America, northern South America, and Cuba and the rest of the Caribbean for inclusion in the United States as slave states. As anti-slavery agitation increased after the Dred Scott Decision was issued, the members proposed a separate confederation of slave states, with U.S. states south of the Mason-Dixon line to secede and to align with other slave states to be formed from the golden circle. In either case, the goal was to increase the power of the Southern slave-holding upper class to such a degree that it could never be dislodged. That is what that “Cross” stands for! YUCK

  64. I have wondered about the inclusion of a purported Southern Cross. As a constellation, it can be seen from the contiguous States only from south of Hialeah, which of course did not exist then, and reaching that latitude over land was a probable fatal endeavor. If these airheads thought they were going to build a huge slave empire in all these tropical regions which they had never seen, it makes more sense, but not enough. It also explains why the “cross” on the flag looks nothing like the constellstion.

  65. I have a request for the “Southern Heritage” apologists.

    Explain it to me. Please, explain to me in 500 words or less; What is: Southern Heritage?

    What makes it stand out- from the Rest of the U.S.?
    Explain to me also, how the Confederate Flag embodies all of the best?

    And NOT Racism.

    I’m going to need something more than a “It Just Is”.

  66. Agree. It’s funny that these recent shrill cries for “white heritage” are really motivated by the fact that according to the Census Bureau whites will be a minority in 2043. That’s coming soon, and it’s irreversible. This is at the heart of these last gasps of the KKK and neo-Confederate movements

  67. a. what do you think the American flag stood for when it was made???
    b. those men who fought are the same families that fought the revolutionary war with England, stop calling them terrorist you ignorant fools,.. in that time the soldiers fought for the same thing they did in the rev. war, do we blame the soldiers for the order’s they are handed? post con. war, those families continued to fight for the union,… in all of our WARS STOP CALLING THEM TERRORIST’S

  68. The Meme is incorrect.

    William T. Thompson’s quote refers to the Second National CSA flag, a white background with the Confederate Battle Flag in the upper left corner. The “Stainless Banner”.

    The Confederate Battle Flag, as pictured in the Meme, was designed by former US Congressman, William Porcher Miles. From South Carolina, he designed SC’s Sovereignty Flag: red background, the St. George’s Cross (blue w/white stars), a crescent and palmetto tree. Appealing to religious groups, he slanted the cross, removed crescent and tree, thus creating the Battle Flag.

    During the Battle of Bull Run soldiers were confused as the CSA 1st National flag resembled the Stars and Stripes. Gen. PGT Beauregard asked his asst Wm. Miles for a solution and he purposed his original CSA flag design. Lee’s Army officially adopts that flag in late 1861, the Battle Flag on the Meme.

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