Surprise! Hillary Clinton Is Farther Left Than Senator Bernie Sanders

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One of the benefits of the already tiring 2016 presidential election season is watching prospective nominees stake out positions that are getting more extreme with each passing day. On the Democratic side, it has been interesting observing Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders pull Hillary Rodham Clinton farther to the left. Really, there is little to Bernie Sanders’ positions to oppose for liberals and progressives, but on Sunday he revealed that there is one area that he is to the right of the former Secretary of State and Senator from New York, Hillary Clinton.

It is indisputable that Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders is obviously not any kind of conservative, or a Republican, but on Sunday he parroted something right out of the NRA fanatic wing of the Republican ranks. In fact, if someone had never heard Senator Sanders speak, or follow his decidedly left-leaning votes in the Senate, they might think he memorized a wildly popular NRA statement, verbatim, to respond to calls for sane gun laws following a mass shooting making the headlines a couple times every year. On a CNN Sunday political program, host Jake Tapper asked the Vermont Senator about his support and vote for the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (PLCAA). The PLCAA is the law that protects gun and ammunition sellers from liability when they sell weapons that are used to kill human beings.

Senator Sanders explained his support for the retail gun industry thus; “If somebody has a gun and it falls into the hands of a murderer and the murderer kills somebody with a gun, do you hold the gun manufacturer responsible? Not any more than you would hold a hammer company responsible if somebody beats somebody over the head with a hammer. That is not what a lawsuit should be about.”

Now, the idea of a hammer as a deadly mass murder weapon on par with a gun argument is a favorite of the NRA, 2nd Amendment crowd; frankly it was surprising to hear it coming from Senator Sanders. It is also an intellectually dishonest analogy. There have been no mass murders with a hammer like those at Sandy Hook, Aurora, Columbine, West Virginia Tech, or Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church ever. It is a pathetic argument to even pretend that a hammer is like a gun, and Senator Sanders is certainly better than the NRA gun fanatic crowd.

The Senator and Democratic presidential candidate said there is a major “difference between Vermont, a rural state with little gun control where hunting is a way of life, and cities like Chicago, where guns are used by gangs.” Citing Vermont where hunting is a way of life is fine, but Colorado, a state where hunting is also a way of life, like Connecticut, West Virginia, and South Carolina are not like Chicago either, but those states have witnessed mass shootings by gun fanatics who should never have been sold massive amounts of ammunition, or guns for that matter. If nothing else, the idea of a gun seller being held to some account for selling weapons and ammunition to ‘unstable’ maniacs would serve as an incentive for them to support and perform even a cursory check on perspective purchasers; gang members, no matter what city they reside, are not frequenting the local gun retailer or online sellers.

Sanders said, “Folks who do not like guns is (sic) fine. But we have millions of people who are gun owners in this country — 99.9% of those people obey the law. I want to see real, serious debate and action on guns, but it is not going to take place if we simply have extreme positions on both sides. I think I can bring us to the middle.” Here is the rub, though, with Senator Sanders’ argument to support his vote for the PLCAA. Several states did have laws in place to hold irresponsible gun sellers accountable for selling weapons and ammunition to maniacs who should not have them. However, those states’ laws were eliminated with the passage of the federal PLCAA that Sanders voted in support of. For the record, then-Senator Hillary Clinton, like many Democrats, voted against the PLCAA.

Senator Sanders claims, and there is no reason to dispute his assertion, that 99% of American gun owners are responsible, obey the law, and certainly will not go into a Colorado high school, a Connecticut elementary school, a West Virginia college dorm, a historic African American church or a crowded Colorado theatre and fire several magazines worth of bullets into human beings, but they are not the people laws like the PLCAA are protecting. The PLCAA is designed, by the NRA, to protect retail gun sellers like online gun retailer Lucky Gunner that sold 4,300 rounds of ammunition without any screening to the gun maniac James Holmes who killed 12 human beings and injured 70 more in an Aurora theatre.

One family did attempt to sue Lucky Gunner for negligence for “entrusting a mentally ill” James Holmes with thousands of bullets, online no less, without performing so much as a cursory background check. The family’s lawsuit never made it to a jury because Congress passed the “Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act” and the law performed exactly as the NRA designed it to protect a gun and ammunition seller from bearing any responsibility for selling thousands of rounds of ammunition to a mentally ill gun fanatic.

To Bernie Sanders’ credit, sort of, he did say that he “wants to bring us to the middle on guns.” But really, he also said that “it is not going to take place if we simply have extreme positions on both sides.” Apparently, Senator Sanders means the NRA’s extreme position of putting several guns in the hands of every man, woman, and child in America, as opposed to the other side’s extreme position calling for sane gun safety laws like universal background checks for gun purchases, or holding retailers selling maniacs guns and ammunition liable for their lust for profit at innocent American lives’ expense.

Maybe that is the position a senator representing “a rural state with little gun control where hunting is a way of life” has to take to stay in office. However, it is highly unlikely that most residents in Vermont, whether they hunt as a way of life or not, would ever equate a hammer with a firearm unless they have been bombarded with propaganda from the National Rifle Association. Times have certainly changed in America because the NRA and gun fanatics were, at one time, the only people claiming hammers are as deadly and dangerous to human life as firearms.

49 Replies to “Surprise! Hillary Clinton Is Farther Left Than Senator Bernie Sanders”

  1. Bernie Sanders has a stance that is realistic. Something both sides of the gun debate desperately need a dose of. I am personally sick of unresolved wedge issues that stay that way because of a refusal to understand that using common sense to find compromise that neither side will completely like or dislike is actually what representative government is all about. every valid issue that gains wide support eventually gets pursued beyond the point common sense and then common sense and those who speak it become the scapegoats for both sides. Which pleases the moneyed interests who are destroying our lives for profit to no end.

  2. “with the jawbone of an ass” comes to mind. why didn’t he use a gun, or better yet, would he, had it been available ? should the guy that sold the donkey been held responsible. i’m not a gun owner but this trys too undue centuries of
    marketplace tradition. on its’ best day, the
    argument is juvenile, feel good BS

  3. A limit on the amount of bullets sold or guns to one person (at least at one time) can be regulated and probably should be. However, if the manufacturer is following the law and unless they sell a faulty product they shouldn’t be held responsible. Also, how are they expected to determine if they are selling to a person who is mentally ill? I would say to the author of this article to try and listen and not hear what you want to, or mislead. Bernie did NOT compare the level of danger of a hammer to a gun.He pointed out the fact that the manufacturer is not responsible for damage the hammer may cause. Whether you believe this or not, you are putting words in his mouth and using willful ignorance to state unfounded slander. Stop picking on Bernie with lies, we know that is all you’ve got!

  4. I’ve followed this site for years, checking in daily to see what was going on in progressive and liberal politics.

    I’ve never been more disappointed than by this article, from it’s click bait headline to the thesis statement that neo-liberal corporation loving HRC is more liberal than Bernie Sanders. What disingenuous nonsense.

    I used to think that you had credibility and integrity, Rmuse. But it seems you are no better than Glenn Beck or Joe Scarborough. Simply terrible.

  5. Senator Sanders’ pro-unfettered gun ownership is just one of the many issues I have with him,

    The other issues, just in case you’re asking, are the powerlessness he will have in working with a Democratic Senate (he has no friends there) and Republican House (sore-losers) while wearing the “Democratic Party” moniker as president. This would make our Party look weak and ineffectual, and that’s exactly how corporate-owned, pro-GOP U.S. media will broadcast it…ad nauseam.

    A Sanders presidency will be a lame-duck presidency that will undo all the hard work President Obama has done to quash the “weak Party” meme that our Party has had to suffer for decades.

    When a-political people don’t see any progress, they won’t trust the Dem Party again, and you can be sure that a President Sanders can’t deliver those farting unicorns to his base without Congress, but he can destroy the Dem Party from the inside-out.

    We just can’t afford that.

  6. I believe that his metric regarding guns should be contextually weighed to the values of his own state. His position will likely be modified to reflect a national view.

  7. Remember Bernie is not really a true Democrat. Just as some of the Republicans who are teabaggers but have the R behind their name.

  8. She has one anti-gun vote and that makes her far left? In your dreams.

    Bernie is the best candidate for the entire nation. P.S. He lives in a pro-hunting state and so do I–and I have no problem with people owning guns either.

  9. It’s amazing that they’re claiming that Hillary is more liberal than Bernie Sanders simply because of one vote.

    Hillary has never been liberal. One vote on one issue certainly doesn’t make her liberal.

    But I’ve noticed that Politicus wants Hillary to win the presidency. They are clearly biased in her favor. Hence they’re making the claim that she’s more liberal than Bernie. She’s not.

  10. How are we bias when there are 3 articles on sanders, 2 on Hillary and one article that features the both of them? You people like naderites has lost your freakin mind

  11. That’s been my worry also.
    I think Hillary would get more accomplished than Bernie could as an Independent/Democratic POTUS.

    I know he caucused with Democrats, but he was still a registered Independent.

  12. We can no more ban guns than we can ban marijuana.

    Instead of attempting to ban a gun, why not require those who want them to pass training for proper handling and storage of same.

    The fact that the NRA opposes such requirements says a great deal to me.

    And Bernie is correct- inasmuch as he states that the owner of the gun shouldn’t be held liable for what a maniac who stole it does.

    Provided, of course, it can be shown that the gun owner took reasonable precautions against it being stolen.

  13. On guns and the Israeli/Palestinian issue, Bernie gets attacked by both sides. I’m not sure that’s a bad thing.

  14. I don’t know what his position on Israeli/Palestinian issue since he is all over the place with his views
    At a town hall meeting in Cabot, Vt. over the weekend, Sanders began to answer a question about the conflict by saying that Israel had “overreacted,” but that Hamas was firing missiles into Israel from “populated areas,” and later said the militant Palestinian Islamist group did not want Israel to exist.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/in-the-loop/wp/2014/08/20/answering-question-on-israel-bernie-sanders-tells-townhall-hecklers-to-shut-up/

  15. My question is will this Independent/Democratic
    candidate endorse the eventual nominee when
    it’s time to step up?

  16. I, for one, am not a single-issue voter. I want my wife to be able to go to a public college tuition free, my friends to find better jobs and my elderly mother to get the medications she needs. I don’t care about this single item.

  17. All of you Hillary supporters – this article is just the beginning of the smear of Bernie Sanders. Expect more. Hillary is a corporatist. Look where that has taken us since Bubba held office. We are going down the wrong road and need to change directions sooner than later. There will be a primary. Hillary is “listening” to people as her campaign and she states. Bernie already knows what the peoples concerns are, and is stating those things and putting out solutions to change and make those concerns foremost in his candidacy. From Hillary – “crickets”!

  18. All of you Hillary supporters – this article is just B.S. One issue that Rmuse takes and twists out of context. It is just the beginning of the smear of Bernie Sanders by the HRC campaign. Expect more.

    Hillary is a corporatist. Do you think that is good? Look where that has taken this country since Bubba held office.

    Wall street criminal activity with no one going to jail. The rich keep getting richer, the middle guy like me is getting squeezed beyond their limits. People are not going to take it much longer.

    We have been and are continuing to go down the wrong road. Things need to change directions sooner than later.

    There will be a primary. Someone will win the nomination. I want that person to understand and feel what I feel – that person is Bernie Sanders for me and thousands of others.

    Hillary is “listening” to people as her campaign and she states. Bernie already knows what the peoples concerns are, and is stating those things and putting out solutions to change…

  19. So are you saying that all of those people showing out to listen to him don’t agree with what he is saying?

    Are you saying that he doesn’t know?

    If that is the case, you might want to re-think.

    Let’s try to keep an open mind instead of just making insulting remarks.

  20. From what I have seen he is talking to, how should I put this, EMOPROGS meaning white firebaggers who couldn’t win a dog catcher election because they don’t know the meaning of the word pragmatism and think if you say anything then the golden unicorn will shit it out for them.

    Now like I said earlier if you think you can piss off the Obama base and win then you people been smoking too much weed and eating too much Ben & Jerry’s

  21. That was a good read. When his supporters come after you because you are an socialist just remind them isn’t that how Bernie defined himself before he start calling himself a Democratic Socialist

  22. I’m not going to hold a nail company liable if I step on a nail. I’m not going to hold the coffee bean producer liable for hot coffee. I’m not going to hold a ladder company liable for me falling off my roof. Just like all of those issues in not going to hold a gun company liable for making a multi purpose item that is used incorrectly. I agree that guns should be banned except for hunting, but this has absolutely nothing to do with gun control and would have passed a law that makes no sense. He banned automatic assault rifles which can’t be used for anything besides target practice and killing humans. Good job Bernie. Also, the click bait title sucks. Stop putting the words “stopped a bomb” in every title while I’m at it.

  23. Bernie Sanders has tapped into a mood in this country of enough is enough. People are fed up, and the message that Sen. Sanders is offering is very appealing to many U.S. voters who see the country moving left. Deal with it.

  24. Serious question. I hear what Sanders is saying about he TPP and bring the jobs back home etc.Today someone posted where he took a dig at the President saying he was lying about the unemployment numbers and while that may sound good to the far left and all I wonder how will these jobs materialize when the economy is moving more towards automation?

    Twinkies are back from beyond the grave, and two years into the comeback of Hostess, we finally are learning what the cost of putting Ho-Hos and Ding Dongs back on shelves really means: the new Hostess Brands, owned by a billionaire venture capitalist, who has automated more than 90% of the company’s bakery jobs out of existence.
    http://zandarvts.blogspot.com/2015/07/last-call-for-hungry-for-more.html

  25. Well this article absolutely fails to mention that Bernie Sanders voted to ban assault weapons. He agrees that some people should never have been sold such massive amounts of ammunition. What’s truly intellectually dishonest is the title of this article along with most of the content. Bernie Sanders is the most authentic politician out there, and his policy on guns actually makes him a better candidate to take on Republican candidates (even though all of the current GOP candidates are so absurd I can’t imagine a scenario in which one of them could become the next president) by appealing to conservative voters. I’m disappointed, Rmuse and politicsusa.

  26. This is a disingenuous article, with the over generalization headline.
    Hillary voted for a war of choice with the Empire of Wall Street her conspirators, without even questioning the ‘evidence’ , challenging it, or listening to the numerous voices of dissent that voted NO ! ( Like Bernie Sanders ).

    Throwaway pap for HillaryCorp.

  27. For the years that Obama’s been in office and has not been able to get jobs/infrastructure bills or the student loan interest bill (which are not ‘giveaways’), raise the minimum wage, or, or, or, or — then to listen to Bernie and his long list of ‘wants’ for example free tuition and, and, and…..to think he can do this — you’d have to believe in unicorns. Still wait to see minorities in the crowds and not the token few being the equivalent to the GOP campaign stump rallies. By the comments on just this page — sounds like could have a repeat of 2008 where those that get PO’d if Hillary wins the nomination, they’ll stay home in a huff as in 2008 when she lost. Sad but true — there are Dems that have had a bad habit of doing that.

  28. What he’s thinking is that this is how he remains a senator in Vermont. He may not be mainstream, but he’s still a politician. [WINK]

  29. The entire premise of this entry is silly….it’s like saying Hillary Clinton is farther left than Russ Feingold simply because Russ has had some “pro-gun” votes during his time as a senator. Cherry picking one issue on which to base judgment about how liberal someone is is just silly.

  30. Why don’t we hold distilleries and breweries responsible for the thousands of deaths a year caused by drunk drivers or the numerous other crimes committed while under the influence? I am for strict gun laws that requre background checks, waiting periods and training on the proper use of guns. But holding the manufacturers responsible for what criminals due with their products is idiotic and shame on this “author” for equating Sander’s position on this law with being in the NRA’s pocket.

  31. The above person has it right. This is a silly article. Remember sanders is from Vermont. Vermont is a gun state. Most people hunt in that state and keep firearms in their homes. There are over 300 million guns in this country at least. No one is going to take any guns away from non felon Americans. This is settled by the Supreme Court. Only very ignorant lawmakers would propose holding a legal gun seller responsible for selling a gun to a person who commits a crime. This country will not turn that crazy.

  32. There have been mass murders with machetes, with clubs and with hammers.

    Two examples”

    Rwanda & Cambodia

  33. There have been massacres with hammers.

    There have been massacres with swords.

    There have been massacres with machetes.

    There have been massacres with axes.

    And, YES! There have been massacres with hammers.

    Before Firearms were invented, they used all of these instruments to commit mass murders.

    In Rwanda, they massacred hundreds of thousands of innocents with machetes as well as blunt objects.

    In the Balkans, the favorite tool of Milosivec’s forces was a hammer.

    In Cambodia, they used every tool available to save ammunition. They used clubs. They used large rocks. They used machetes. And, again, YES! They used hammers.

    History is replete with humans using weapons other than firearms to commit atrocities.

    It is humans who do evil. It is not inanimate objects.

    And the FDA approved psychotic drugs produced by Obama’s Crony Pharmaceutical Corporations do not help matters one bit.

  34. And the FDA approved psychotic drugs produced by Obama’s Crony Pharmaceutical Corporations do not help matters one bit.
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    https://www.centerwatch.com/drug-information/fda-approved-drugs/therapeutic-area/17/psychiatry-psychology

    Drugs Approved in 2014

    Bunavail (buprenorphine and naloxone); BioDelivery Sciences; For the maintenance treatment of opioid dependence, Approved June 2014

    Drugs Approved in 2013

    Brintellix (vortioxetine); Takeda Pharmaceuticals USA; For the treatment of Major Depressive Disorder, Approved October 2013

    Fetzima (levomilnacipran); Forest Laboratories; For the treatment of major depressive disorder, Approved July 2013

    Zubsolv (buprenorphine and naloxone); Orexo AB; For the maintenance treatment of opioid dependence, Approved July 2013

    Drugs Approved in 2012

    Qsymia (phentermine + topiramate extended-release); Vivus; For the treatment of chronic weight management, Approved July 2012

    Quillivant XR (methylphenidate hydrochloride); NextWave Pharmaceuticals; For the treatment of Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, Approved September 2012

    Drugs Approved in 2011

    Intermezzo (zolpidem tartrate sublingual tablet); Transcept Pharmaceuticals; For the treatment of insomnia, Approved November 2011

    Viibryd (vilazodone hydrochloride); Clinical Data; For the treatment of major depressive disorder, Approved January 2011

    Drugs Approved in 2010

    Latuda (lurasidone); Sunovion; For the treatment of schizophrenia, Approved October 2010

    Oleptro (trazodone hydrochloride); Labopharm; For the treatment of major depressive disorder, Approved February 2010

    Vivitrol (naltrexone for extended-release injectable suspension); Alkermes; For the prevention of relapse to opioid dependence, Approved October 2010

    Drugs Approved in 2009

    Edluar (zolpidem tartrate); Orexo; For the treatment of insomnia, Approved March 2009

    Fanapt (iloperidone); Vanda; For the treatment of schizophrenia, Approved May of 2009

    Intuniv (guanfacine extended-release); Shire Pharmaceuticals; For the treatment of ADHD in children and adolescents, Approved September 2009

    Saphris (asenapine); Schering-Plough; For the treatment of schizophrenia and manic or mixed bipolar 1 episodes, Approved August of 2009

    Drugs Approved in 2008

    Aplenzin (bupropion hydrobromide); Biovail Laboratories; For the treatment of major depressive disorder, Approved April 2008

    Stavzor (valproic acid delayed release); Banner Pharmacaps; For the treatment of bipolar manic disorder, seizures and migraine headaches, Approved July 2008
    So how do these drugs contributed to white people committing mass murder with guns?

  35. I love Hillary and Bernie and who ever wins the Primary is who I will vote for in the election. HOWEVER……….It doesn’t matter where they stand on a lot of liberal issues. As long as we have a GOP/TP Senate and Legislator, neither candidate will be able to get shit done. Look at Obama. It takes Executive Orders or the Supreme Court to get anything done. If you think they are obstructing Obama now, just imagine how much they’ll fight a self described Democratic “Socialist”. JMO

  36. In response to the title of this article, I feel I must share a quote:

    “Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered. Any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary.”

    Now, who said that? Was it some right-wing extremist? Only if you consider Karl Marx to be right wing.

    Guns are not a left-right issue. I should know, I am a pro-RTKBA Socialist.

  37. The author got it backwards: Gun rights are civil rights. Please read the Constitution.
    By the way I am a liberal and I support Bernie.

  38. Gun rights can unfortunately nullify other civil rights, such as the right to vote, buy groceries, go to church, snd go to the doctor without fear of becoming shot.

  39. What an awful and inaccurate piece. One issue does not define a candidate, except perhaps in the minds of the screwed up mainstream media.

    I’ve NEVER met a political candidate who I agreed with on everything. No such person has ever existed. We’re all human beings, with our own opinions. But these attempts to torpedo his campaign are pathetic. Less liberal than Hilary? Please.

  40. He may have been thinking that garbage from the left smells just as bad as garbage from the right. No one hates guns more than I do but bullshit is bullshit. Roundabout backdoor ploys like that are right out of the conservative’s handbook. Guns have only one purpose: to kill. As long as selling these guns is legal there is no justification for suing the manufacturers because their product does what it is intended to do. To decide otherwise would be to open an ungodly ugly can of worms, not that this legislation would make it through the SCOTUS.

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