And now the question should be for anybody who wants justice, how did this happen? Who started it? And I think you may find that the Clinton campaign may have interfered in this election even more than the Russians did.

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CHUCK TODD:

It’s an undefended accusation. I can’t get into it now. Very quickly —

RUDY GIULIANI:

Barack Obama knew —

CHUCK TODD:

You had said —

RUDY GIULIANI:

Barack Obama — it says, or at least it raises the specter with two checks between Strzok and his girlfriend — they say the Obama people are keeping in close touch with this. Those are — that’s the execution of the Steele affi — of the Steele dossier.

CHUCK TODD:

You mean — it could also be that the Russian government is implicating —

RUDY GIULIANI:

But why do you laugh — but why do you laugh, by the way —

CHUCK TODD:

— how do you not know that it —

RUDY GIULIANI:

But why do you laugh, by the way?

CHUCK TODD:

Because you’re making an assumption that it’s some nefarious thing.

RUDY GIULIANI:

No, I’m not making an assumption —

CHUCK TODD:

— but it’s about the —

RUDY GIULIANI:

I am — I was in the government for —

CHUCK TODD:

Why wouldn’t the government be concerned about —

RUDY GIULIANI:

— the 17 —

CHUCK TODD:

— Russian interference

RUDY GIULIANI:

And why wouldn’t the government —

CHUCK TODD: