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Kate Madison's avatar

My advice to ambitious Dems who are eyeing 2028: "Don't Fiddle with the Middle."

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Ranita Shows's avatar

Why not mention,Ms Crocket???

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Sarah Jones & Jason Easley's avatar

She's not running for president, and won't be. People who are considering presidential bids don't run for House leadership positions. That and the House is a bad spot to run for president from. The last two members of Congress to be elected president were from the Senate, JFK and Obama. The House is not the place to run for president from.---Jason

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Ranita Shows's avatar

Thanks for that info, never realized that. I will also say, there is a first time for a first time!!!

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Ranita Shows's avatar

Peter Tucker, you talk like a boy who Thinks he has big Dick energy. I like Aunt Jemima! MS CROCKET is truthful and today that stands for more than money. Look at the swing in TEXAS! My opinión (which means little) is that SHE WILL NOT SELL OUT, can you say the same!!! Would it be ok to call you Uncle Tom, since you sho trying to be like Trump, and you both trying to be something your not, American!

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Semolina Pilchard's avatar

I love your drag name peter!

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Larry's avatar

Same sad article from Gore 2000, Kerry 2004, Clinton in 2016 and Harris in 2024. Don't buy it.

Any Breathing (and some that are not) Democrat is 1000% better the the current "We Hate America Housewives of D.C. cat fight." Remember who the REAL ENEMY IS.

Resist!

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Carol's avatar

Democratic VOTERS don’t want the middle!

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Legend's avatar

60% of the base is center left moderate

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Maureen's avatar

I agree with you!. Our party has moved too far to the extreme left on issues like gender pronouns and transgender rights, which has led to significant losses.

Here are some reasons why we lost:

1. Al Gore did not support Clinton strongly and failed to win his own state.

2. Hillary Clinton was widely disliked across various demographics and struggled to connect.

3. John Kerry did not adequately defend himself during the swift boat controversy.

4. Kamala Harris supported Biden on "The View" by stating she wouldn’t change anything about his policies.

It’s important to recognize that Obama is in a different league compared to these individuals, much like Kennedy was. Obama, Kennedy, and Bill Clinton were figures who inspired many.

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Michael's avatar

Carol- I disagree strenuously for too many reasons to list here, except to say that we can cheer politicians out at the end of the spectrum (like I once did with Ralph and later Bernie) but the ones we can elect are toward the center. Since Lincoln, Trump is the notable exception to the rule. Right wing extremes like George Wallace and Strom Thurmond met defeat in the national elections as did mirror opposite left wing candidates like Henry Agar Wallace, and Fred Harris (for whom I worked). Virtue may be in the corner of the extremes, but electability historically isn't

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Carol's avatar

You might be absolutely right. But personally, I would like to try a different way. Some of us seem to have a really defeatist attitude: we’ll never get health care for all, we’ll never get money out of politics, we’ll never have a living wage, we’ll never house everyone, we’ll never manage real gun control. We always seem to concentrate on what we can’t do because it’s “too extreme - the middle won’t vote for it.” Definitely one of the reasons people I know are disgusted with the Dems right now is because they’re perceived as not out there really fighting to improve our lives. But in this moment, unfortunately, it seems evident we’ve got to prioritize holding it together in order to do something better.

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Michael's avatar

Carol, I think I agree with a lot of what you say but I am a firm believer in political incrementalism when it comes to American politics. In my lifetime we've had four massive waves of reform: two were from Democrat presidents FDR and LBJ, and two were from Republican presidents RR and DJT. As always “reform” means different things to the two sides. History aside, my point is that in this country, massive waves of reforms are undone by following waves. Much of the FDR/LBJ New Deal has been undone at various times by the Republicans who followed. But importantly some of it survives still. This is the incrementalism. We never get everything we want on either side, most gets washed away. But I believe, with MLK that the arc of justice does bend however gradually to the good, and there is good social science studies to back that up. We move with all deliberate speed toward utopia but unfortunately for the Republicans it won't be the utopia they want.

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Danny Piper's avatar

It's hard to argue with socially* liberal and fiscally* conservative. This stance appeals to the middle and libertarians, IMO.

Note: Fiscally conservative means different things to different people. A balanced budget and rooting out waste are elements. Who's not for rooting out waste? Lol.

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Michael's avatar

Yes, I don't even know what fiscally liberal means! Let's see we have tax-and-spend Democrats and borrow-and- spend Republicans. The first drives up taxes and the second increases the deficit. Gotta be a better way!

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Danny Piper's avatar

It doesn't get more simple than taxing the billionaires who just want to be the first trillionaire.

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The middle is where the majority of — the true majority — of the country live. We lost in 2024 for a variety of reasons, including abandoning the middle. We have an historic opportunity in 2026 and 2028. Let’s not blow it by ignoring the middle. The road to success leads through the middle.

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Danny Piper's avatar

How do you explain Clinton and Obama, the only Democrats to get re-elected? Heck, most people even dismissed Bill's hanky panky because the economy was good.

Moderates are one thing. Appealing to independents in the middle is another. Trump won a majority of the independents in the middle, so he won. Candidates don't have to be moderate to win, clearly. They need the independents in the middle. Candidates need to be genuine, have common sense and relate with voters.

Harris was made Border Czar by Biden, but she didn't own it. Like it or not, Trump owns the issue now. Didn't Harris know that the border would be an important issue? Of course she did.

Ultimately, Harris lost because she lacked leadership and more independents, the people in the middle, believed Trump.

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Carol's avatar

And a hefty percentage of the country didn’t vote at all. But for sure, that was before they took a chain saw to the Constitution. I think the coming elections cannot be compared to anything we have experienced before. I think people want candidates they believe will fight for us!

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Danny Piper's avatar

Exactly. They want a fighter.

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Danny Piper's avatar

Yes. They were in the middle. Clinton made being in the middle a science with "triangulatism."

Some would say he leaned to the right. In fact, I recall someone saying, "Bubba is the best Republican President we've ever had."

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Kathleen Andrews's avatar

I agree with this opinion. The days of collegiate debates on the floor are gone, if they ever were this. Guys like Schumer and Grassley have to go. McConnell is soon to be gone. I'm a senior but the old dead wood has to go on all sides. The GOP brand is gone - its future is MAGA. The Democrats had better adopt a younger street fighter mentality because that is what is needed to deal with the never ending BS. AOC & Crockett are the future. Being an opinionated female myself I love those two gals. Jefferies is doing an Obama imitation while channelling the sleepy eyed manners of Ben Carson. Time to be bold and audacious Dems or keep losing on the 'battlefield'. (I've been enjoying the videos of Zelenskyy's drones causing all kinds of problems for Putie so I am in military mode right now :) )

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Kristie's avatar

I like your opinion a lot especially how the dems need a younger street fighter mentality. Dems need strength and backbone. As much as I liked Kamala, she didn't show strength often enough.

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Legend's avatar

Then no winning anymore elections more democrats are center left moderate 60%

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Lucy Horton's avatar

Transgender is a sticky issue. Most people don’t understand it, and many are repulsed by the concept, unless they have known a transgender person. I strongly feel that Dems will lose their souls if they don’t stand up for trans. The trick is to make it a minor issue, compared to everything else. I am hoping that Trump messed the economy up so badly that a Dem can win on that alone, without getting tied into knots about trans.

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Danny Piper's avatar

Why do people think that supporting trans rights means supporting trans females to compete against females? That's madness.

I can think of many other more important ways to support ALL trans. A very small percentage of trans females want to compete in sports against females in the first place. The very small percentage of trans females who want to compete against females in high school are giving the trans community a bad name and creating animosity.

Just because some people are trans femaies does NOT mean they have the right to dominate women. Trans females will dominate females in sports. It's totally unfair. It's madness. Let trans females compete against other trans females, not females.

Trans females against females in sports is totally unfair. The LGBT community must accept the facts and stop this madness.

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Michael's avatar

Lucy- as the Big Dog said. " It's the economy...". Ninety percent of the time people vote for the candidate who promises food on the family dimmer table. Politiciand who rationally urge austerity usually get rejected. We love our pie in the sky promisers. Even beats social hot button issues at the bottom line

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Ernest's avatar

This is a moral issue and is worthy.

However, the goal is to win elections and Trump proved in 2024 that the unreasonable fear of TransGens is a winning ticket.

We must not let a few hundred or a few thousand be the building block of our campaign to win elections.

We don't have to throw them under the bus , but they must not be front and center.

Otherwise, if the MAGA bunch wins again they will be in even more dire shape.

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Danny Piper's avatar

Just because you're a Peter Tucker does not give you the right to dominate women in sports.

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BL Foster's avatar

We need someone as bold as Zelensky, as outspoken as Crocket, and as unwavering as Buttigieg!!

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Michael's avatar

What do I think about dem candidates who move to the middle? MORE POWER TO THEM. The center cannot hold if there is no center. I am very weary of how polarized our politics have become with everyone racing to be the most virtuous, whether it be conservatively so or progressively so. We are all Royalists are Jacobins nowadays and that's precisely what is wrong with our politics and why Congress has become so dysfunctional. That's not how democracies work. Democracies work by making compromises because we will always disagree on almost any issue. I will absolutely not vote for any Democrat candidate who has a "my way or the highway attitude."

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Sarah Jones & Jason Easley's avatar

I would argue that the middle isn't really the middle anymore and less than 10% of the electorate is the middle. What used to be the middle is now been polarized into the left and right, and increasingly elections are base elections. We are in the midst of an electoral shift and conventions about what the middle is may not hold up anymore.---Jason

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Malcolm J McKinney's avatar

The rich Republicans have moved the "Overton Window" (the Center) so far to the right that if it were the front window of your car, all you would be able to see would be the woman to your right waiting to cross in front of your car.

The "traditional center" is now occupied only by Democratic agressive progressives.

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Legend's avatar

You seem to think progressives can win elections they barely get 25% to 30% center left voters make up 55% to 60%

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Michael's avatar

Well said.

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Michael's avatar

Well and fairly put. I think you are referring to a sliding or shifting baseline and that is exactly correct. Political science is so complex! Almost as much as my own field of expertise: philosophy. What little I know of poli sci was picked up at UC Berkeley in the sixties where my teacher was a fan of Keys (sp??) and taught that there were actually four parties. Two Republican two Democrat based on whether they were fielding local or national candidates I think. I would argue from observation that the majority of Americans at the local level are more likely to be extremists. Locally is where they prefer to experiment. I would say in the same vein that at the national level most voters become more to the center, except when we get spasms of populist movements like we have at the present then all bets are off.

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Legend's avatar

Speaking hypothetical the south is gaining in the census if we only focus on blue purple states we will lose for over 20 years on the presidential after 2030

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Michael's avatar

Completely agree. Trump has his 30% cultist base whole vote for him rain or shine no matter what he says or does or how deranged he gets. But subtracting those out gives the DNC lots of cash to spend on down ballot elections, especially in the midterms where the cultists might not even bother to show up. This endless fight over battleground states is futile. We just need candidates who attract votes on their own merits, rather than push votes toward them by running those negative attack ads which everyone tunes out of anyway since we've seen so many of them. Rep. Perez turned a former repub stronghold over to the dem side doing just that and she took a moderate working class approach. She definitely didn't run as a progressive fire breather. That's why I have my reservations about the moderators arguments, though I understand why they make them. I think Perez eent negative against Joe Kent and it actually narrowed her winning margin.

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Legend's avatar

Yep

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Deborah Paley's avatar

Democrats lost because the swing state vote was corrupted. Stop blaming Dems for the wrong stuff. Face that fact, the repubs stole the swing state vote with Musk's help. Stop making Dems inadequate losers!!!!

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Sarah Jones & Jason Easley's avatar

There is no evidence that swing state vote was corrupted, but there is black and white evidence that Democrats didn't show up in 2024, and stating that fact is not blaming anyone except the elites who ran an awful campaign.---Jason

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Deborah Paley's avatar

How do you know Dem votes were counted in those swing states? Trump even came out and thanked Musk for helping! Did you think he was kidding? And is it possible to have been entrenched misogyny? Voters that just wouldn't vote for a woman? A woman of color? Maybe it was something other than an "awful campaign". When you make a generalization like "awful campaign" it ignores many other possible reasons and it is plainly pat, dismissive and a cop out imho. It's a cheap shot. But keep that self fulfilling prophecy of Dems as failures afloat by all means. Truth is you have no idea if Dem voters showed up. None of us do. Your use of the word "elites", is a dead giveaway. Who the hell are the "elites" now anyway? Parroting vanilla mediaspeak gets us nowhere. Have a nice day. I'm done with this site.

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Michael's avatar

Deborah- I think you make very good points. I think Harris didn't run a great campaign but there was undoubtedly racism and misogyny involved as well. Yours is a strong passionate voice and I hope you will reconsider and come back. I for one, would welcome you!

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Barbara Aiken's avatar

Got your feelings hurt?😉

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Ernest's avatar

Yes, there is ample evidence that the swing state vote was corrupted.

Unfortunately, the data to support this conclusion was unavailable until after the Electoral College had voted.

It was a combination of voter suppression and vote nullification.

I was hoping that in the swing states with Democrat Attorneys General they would investigate the personnel involved and if they were involved in illegal acts to hold them accountable.

Why do you think Musk bought Twitter.

It was for all the data and he could isolate persuadable voters to either not vote or vote for Trump.

And it worked.

Try going to YouTube and look up Greg Palast for an expose' on this.

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Danny Piper's avatar

People voted Red at the top of the ticket and Blue for their Senator just in the swing states. Explain that?

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Legend's avatar

Center left voters are 55% we need to appeal to everyone or try even jewish dems and black voters

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Punkette's avatar

👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

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The wife 6O's avatar

No moving toward the middle. We must speak out loud, clear and call them on their lies. Don’t allow them to refuse to let you speak by speaking rudely and loudly over you, as is their mode of operation. This is a fight for democracy and Democrats must stop being pussies!!

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Legend's avatar

Then no winning anymore elections more democrats are center left moderate 60%

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Malcolm J McKinney's avatar

Then they are not FDR democrats

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Michael's avatar

Thank you Malcolm for mentioning my hero's name. I am an unreconstructed New Dealer and remain so.

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Michael's avatar

Agree in part, disagree in part.

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Terri Seagull's avatar

I think your article is spot on. I, as a democrat need to respect the party again. The apparently inability to fight back on the kitchen table issues, and the lack of backbone with regards to defending our democracy and failure to uphold the laws that they’ve all taken oaths to protect has left me flabbergasted at the least. It has also raised concerns that the democrats have lost effectiveness in governing. With the current administration’s defiance of the rule of law with no consequences have left me…well, disappointed and distrusting.

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Linda1961 is woke and proud's avatar

Hey Dems, ditch the consultants and the focus groups! Listen to the Democratic base - don't throw vulnerable people under the bus to appease the squishy middle, make the case for being inclusive and how that helps us all. Fight the fascists running our county (and are running it into the ground). Defend Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security. Don't be afraid of being called a Socialist, because no matter what you do or say, the repubs will be calling you that. Embrace it, and make the case for how it helps us all. Tell the rich to pay their fair share in taxes, and if they don't like it, they can leave. Tell repubs that they are creeps to be so obsessed with other peoples' private parts and for killing women with their abortion bans. The Dems who have won locally this year haven't run from the fight or courted the squishy middle. Tim Walz isn't doing that either. Why aren't you doing what they are doing?

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Wylee's avatar

Completely out of touch!

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Richard Turyn's avatar

The problem isn't which way Democratic should move, it's two other factors. First, the best candidates will have human-level connection vibes with the broadest range of voters including both working classes (there are separate working classes, non-white and white), more educated, affluent ones and women. Second, the best candidate will have to surround themself with communications advisers from all classes and not allow either the white affluents or the more left-oriented other advisers to dominate the councils that create the platforms and the messages that go out. The successful Democrat will be the one who creates a new, 21st Century middle.

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Malcolm J McKinney's avatar

How about Fair Compact

As in Mayflower Compact?

Fair support of rights enumerated in Declaration of Independence and Constitution

And

Fair minimum wage

Fair paid leave for infant births

Fair support for unions

Fair tax schedules

Fair respect for all human bodies

Fair laws and regulations for public & private entities including security of stored information

Fair elections

Fair & secure voting & oversite

Fair respect for the environment

Fair respect for religious beliefs

Including agnostics and atheists.

Fair America

And more.

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phelpsmediation's avatar

You left out the most important one. Medicare4All! All the modern countries less wealthy than USA have it. Profit off of people being injured or ill is really sick and pure greed.

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Malcolm J McKinney's avatar

Thanks for your addition.

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Michael's avatar

Hear hear. Remember FDRs Economic BIll of Rights? Your is an updated version.

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Perry Lundon's avatar

Can't win by being Republican lite. There are no moderates really left in the Republican part just extremists and lunatic extremists. The republicans attempt to claim the mantle of champions of the working class when the reality is that they have done and will continue to do very little, if anything consequential, for lower- and middle-income families and individuals. Developing a document that counters the Republican Project 2025 needs to be done to establish the stark differences between awful things the Repubs have done to the country prior to the 2028 election and how the Dems will correct the destruction done during the Trump second term reign of terror, corruption, and chaos.

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Malcolm J McKinney's avatar

How about Fair Compact

As in Mayflower Compact?

Fair support of rights enumerated in Declaration of Independence and Constitution

And

Fair minimum wage

Fair paid leave for infant births

Fair support for unions

Fair tax schedules

Fair respect for all human bodies

Fair laws and regulations for public & private entities including security of stored information

Fair elections

Fair & secure voting & oversite

Fair respect for the environment

Fair respect for religious beliefs

Including agnostics and atheists.

Fair America

And more.

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Legend's avatar

Over 50% of democrats are center left blue dog you wont win a single election if you dehumanize moderates that’s your choice

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Legend's avatar

60% of the base is center left

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Sue Henger's avatar

We need someone who speaks as clearly and forcefully as Pritzker.

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Michael's avatar

Sue, I agree. Pritzker would be high on my list, maybe at the top, of candidates who uphold progressive values and who are actually electable. I dont see a single Republican out there who could take him on.

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Joanne's avatar

I just don’t understand all these comments that don’t mention the fact that what, a quarter of $1 billion was invested in KEY areas to change the vote and that isn’t what really happened is the huge investment by Elon Musk? Why are we forgetting this? It only took a few very intelligent things to do to make that happen. We keep blaming the Democrats, we have to blame the money and the Republicans and the people who let that happen.

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Michael's avatar

Joanne - and the dem voters who didn't show up to vote.

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