Trump special envoy Steve Witkoff said that Trump agreed to keep Ukraine out of NATO and instead provide Article Five-like protection, which means that Ukraine's security would depend on Trump.
Well, they are both deluded. drumpf thinks that he is in charge of the world because his tariffs disrupted the entire global supply chain and the economies in other Countries. What the blind narcissistic fool cannot see is that these other Countries are moving on around him and past him and the U.S. is being left behind on the island to fend for itself.
I hope in the long run these Countries will be willing to work with the U.S. in the future after we get rid of all the rat infestation in our government because "We the People..." do not follow that same "pied the piper!" I get it that there are Countries that do not think we are doing enough to fight this - where I think we are failing is not that we are not doing enough, but enough of us are not "seeing" what is happening and what is coming, and enough of us are not "doing" with the rest of us. That is the sad part and the scary part. If the 75 million people who voted for Kamala were out there every weekend rallying, it would make a huge difference.
My husband and I ARE on the corner every time there’s an opportunity. We are part of Cary (NC) Indivisible. Find an Indivisible group near you, or start one yourself. It’s the smart thing to do, and you’ll feel so much stronger in your resolve to save our country from Tump’s authoritarian desires, many of which are already in place.
The U.S A. Is going to have to eat a lot of crow before they will ever regain credibility. You no longer have a moral, legal, logical right to governance.
I would imagine there will be a lot of diplomacy when this happens just like there was when Obama was elected after Bush declared an "Axis of Evil" and pissed off the World. Of course, what drumpf is doing is mulitple times worse, so there will have to be more groveling, but I think the U.S. will stand strong again.
Some of the timing depends on how this all ends. If you look at the history of despots and dictator wannabes and where their Countries standing in the World is today, there are signs that the "people" won't be to blame overall, though some of them need to be behind bars, like always. France with Napoleon Bonaparte - also someone who thought they could rule the world, if only...; Adolf Hitler in Germany - another deluded world control seeker...; Italy and Mussolini - and wow! what the Italian people did to him in retribution...; Romania and Nicolae Ceausescu...; These countries all came back and regained standing in the world... so I expect the U.S. will as well. I may not be around when it happens, but it will come out of this better. Read more about how these despots were taken down in this article:
Zelensky cannot trust drumpf. He is a smart guy, so we shall see what he does with this. Europe knows that if Ukraine goes, so they are up next. I do not see any of these "wild frontier" deals that leave the main party to the discussion out will have any impact overall. It does make me feel a sickening ball bearing pit in my stomach to have to watch it though!
While Ukraine is fighting for their lives and their freedom, they are having to stave off a narcissistic bully aggressor who is supposed to be a protector from piling on. In the mean time, those of us who are out on the front lines, in the middle lines, and in the back fighting this same narcissistic stain on our Country are trying to get him out of office so we can save our Country before we have to fight for our lives as well as our freedom.
I have followed the news closely since the beginning of Trump’s first running for office, and not once have I gained an ounce of trust in his word or actions. The Ukrainians have impressed me with their brave efforts to resist Putins attempt to capture the rest of their country. I strongly favor the return of all land within their borders, and certainly including all of the Crimean Peninsula that Putin took by force in 2014. Further, as a free country they would have the right to apply for membership in NATO, and never rely on Trump’s promises.
If past history means anything, Zelensky will tell them to go sit on a railroad spike and spin. We will know tomorrow. If JD Vance sits in on this one, Zelensky will leave like he did the last time and JD Vance will descend further into mouthier MAGA puppet territory.
This must not happen- Ukraine has fought this war so bravely, they have complied with everything asked of them to be considered for admission to NATO, and Trump and Putin should have no say in the matter.
I think the only way to save Ukraine is to bring it into NATO. Russia has screwed over Ukraine since the days of the czars and deserves to live in peace.
I agree- Ukraine has done everything asked of them to be able to be included in NATO, and it is unbelievable that Putin is dictating that they not be allowed into NATO, with his threats of aggression if they are welcomed in.
That is true as when they held the NATO summit, drumpf's response when asked if he would hold up the Article Five requirements, he replied, "I'll be your friend..." and the world leaders did not stop and think about what that means when a Narcissist says something that is vague and means nothing. When drumpf comes back with a "verbal" agreement to support Ukraine with "article five-like" security, it is a vacuous and vapid statement that has no security attached to it. The vague wording allows him to come back and say "We support You.... but we're not sending any support. We are your friend (even though drumpf hates Zelensky and hasn't quite figured out how to take him down yet)."
Send fools to negotiate and you get a foolish result. This is weakness and pandering at the highest level which has yielded appeasement on the scale of Neville Chamberlain followed by World War 2, the irony is Putin steps in for Chamberlain and Trump takes Hitlers place. Like the episode of Seinfeld Bizarro World.
What a sham! And scam. Ukraine will never accept any of this “deal”, nor will most European countries. Tangerine Taco is a disgrace, a disaster and an embarrassment to the US. Apparently war criminals stick together, but I do wonder if Putin has anything on him. It’s hard to imagine that a person can be as damaged a human being as $rump is but his actions certainly confirm an absolutely morally bankrupt individual, one who is acutely afraid of his Russian counterpart. Why?Disgusting! But totally predictable.
No way will or should trumpf have anything to do with WHO joins NATO. To be Ukraine’s SECURITY that is only up to Ukraine.🇺🇦
Who do these two monsters think they are?
Not in charge of the world!!
It was horrible enough to have the meeting on American soil with Putin.
2 monsters plotting to overthrow our democracy and take over the world.
Well, they are both deluded. drumpf thinks that he is in charge of the world because his tariffs disrupted the entire global supply chain and the economies in other Countries. What the blind narcissistic fool cannot see is that these other Countries are moving on around him and past him and the U.S. is being left behind on the island to fend for itself.
I hope in the long run these Countries will be willing to work with the U.S. in the future after we get rid of all the rat infestation in our government because "We the People..." do not follow that same "pied the piper!" I get it that there are Countries that do not think we are doing enough to fight this - where I think we are failing is not that we are not doing enough, but enough of us are not "seeing" what is happening and what is coming, and enough of us are not "doing" with the rest of us. That is the sad part and the scary part. If the 75 million people who voted for Kamala were out there every weekend rallying, it would make a huge difference.
My husband and I ARE on the corner every time there’s an opportunity. We are part of Cary (NC) Indivisible. Find an Indivisible group near you, or start one yourself. It’s the smart thing to do, and you’ll feel so much stronger in your resolve to save our country from Tump’s authoritarian desires, many of which are already in place.
Here are links to the groups and all the rallies...
https://events.pol-rev.com - Best Schedule of Upcoming Events!
https://www.fiftyfifty.one/
https://indivisible.org/
Rallies & Events In Your Area
https://www.mobilize.us/events/rally/
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The U.S A. Is going to have to eat a lot of crow before they will ever regain credibility. You no longer have a moral, legal, logical right to governance.
I would imagine there will be a lot of diplomacy when this happens just like there was when Obama was elected after Bush declared an "Axis of Evil" and pissed off the World. Of course, what drumpf is doing is mulitple times worse, so there will have to be more groveling, but I think the U.S. will stand strong again.
Some of the timing depends on how this all ends. If you look at the history of despots and dictator wannabes and where their Countries standing in the World is today, there are signs that the "people" won't be to blame overall, though some of them need to be behind bars, like always. France with Napoleon Bonaparte - also someone who thought they could rule the world, if only...; Adolf Hitler in Germany - another deluded world control seeker...; Italy and Mussolini - and wow! what the Italian people did to him in retribution...; Romania and Nicolae Ceausescu...; These countries all came back and regained standing in the world... so I expect the U.S. will as well. I may not be around when it happens, but it will come out of this better. Read more about how these despots were taken down in this article:
"Dictators & Authoritarians Who Have Died An Ugly Death" - https://bluesmurf.substack.com/p/dictators-and-authoritarians-who
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Sorry if this offends anybody, but I hope they and all their dirty rotten minions die soon and go to the worst part of hell there is!
You are simply saying out loud what many of us are thinking!
You are spot on. We cannot accept any of these impossible proposals. We are not idiots.
Zelensky cannot trust drumpf. He is a smart guy, so we shall see what he does with this. Europe knows that if Ukraine goes, so they are up next. I do not see any of these "wild frontier" deals that leave the main party to the discussion out will have any impact overall. It does make me feel a sickening ball bearing pit in my stomach to have to watch it though!
While Ukraine is fighting for their lives and their freedom, they are having to stave off a narcissistic bully aggressor who is supposed to be a protector from piling on. In the mean time, those of us who are out on the front lines, in the middle lines, and in the back fighting this same narcissistic stain on our Country are trying to get him out of office so we can save our Country before we have to fight for our lives as well as our freedom.
Excellent. Excellent.
Despicable
He’s bringing a posse.
He’s not gonna get ambushed and bullied or humiliated this time.
Slava Ukraine 🇺🇦
I have followed the news closely since the beginning of Trump’s first running for office, and not once have I gained an ounce of trust in his word or actions. The Ukrainians have impressed me with their brave efforts to resist Putins attempt to capture the rest of their country. I strongly favor the return of all land within their borders, and certainly including all of the Crimean Peninsula that Putin took by force in 2014. Further, as a free country they would have the right to apply for membership in NATO, and never rely on Trump’s promises.
No way, no how should they accept that deal. Trump and Putin are totally untrustworthy. Putin should not benefit in anyway, shape or form in any deal.
If past history means anything, Zelensky will tell them to go sit on a railroad spike and spin. We will know tomorrow. If JD Vance sits in on this one, Zelensky will leave like he did the last time and JD Vance will descend further into mouthier MAGA puppet territory.
Will JD be finished with his latest family vacation in Scotland?
Never know!
This must not happen- Ukraine has fought this war so bravely, they have complied with everything asked of them to be considered for admission to NATO, and Trump and Putin should have no say in the matter.
I think the only way to save Ukraine is to bring it into NATO. Russia has screwed over Ukraine since the days of the czars and deserves to live in peace.
I agree- Ukraine has done everything asked of them to be able to be included in NATO, and it is unbelievable that Putin is dictating that they not be allowed into NATO, with his threats of aggression if they are welcomed in.
That IS a ridiculous proposal and they’d better turn it down! The whole world knows trump is a liar and you can’t trust anything he says!!!
That is true as when they held the NATO summit, drumpf's response when asked if he would hold up the Article Five requirements, he replied, "I'll be your friend..." and the world leaders did not stop and think about what that means when a Narcissist says something that is vague and means nothing. When drumpf comes back with a "verbal" agreement to support Ukraine with "article five-like" security, it is a vacuous and vapid statement that has no security attached to it. The vague wording allows him to come back and say "We support You.... but we're not sending any support. We are your friend (even though drumpf hates Zelensky and hasn't quite figured out how to take him down yet)."
Witless by name and witless by nature, not a clue as to what is going on and as for El Felon , there are no words!
Trump is INCOMPETENT.
I love that Zelensky is calling djt's bluff by bringing the EU leaders with him to Washington for a meeting at our desecrated WH.
Send fools to negotiate and you get a foolish result. This is weakness and pandering at the highest level which has yielded appeasement on the scale of Neville Chamberlain followed by World War 2, the irony is Putin steps in for Chamberlain and Trump takes Hitlers place. Like the episode of Seinfeld Bizarro World.
What a sham! And scam. Ukraine will never accept any of this “deal”, nor will most European countries. Tangerine Taco is a disgrace, a disaster and an embarrassment to the US. Apparently war criminals stick together, but I do wonder if Putin has anything on him. It’s hard to imagine that a person can be as damaged a human being as $rump is but his actions certainly confirm an absolutely morally bankrupt individual, one who is acutely afraid of his Russian counterpart. Why?Disgusting! But totally predictable.
So disappointing, more War more lives lost...Shameful leadership
I hope the EU Leaders put their foot down and tell the “Cheeto” to go fly a kite and bring Ukraine into NATO.
Spot on to Carla Jime ez. Thank you for speaking so clearly and to the point!
These two dictators should be thrown in jail for life!!! Period!!!
OMG. Why would anyone trust Trump to hold up his end of any deal!