The Supreme Court Just Made A Huge Mistake by Making Women Really Mad

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Until today, many women would argue that feminism was unnecessary because that fight had been won. Even showing them the last several years of Republican attempts to steal their freedom from them legislatively didn’t move them. But Monday’s Supreme Court ruling is something that will impact a majority of women in America.

The Supreme Court just gave Republicans their dream decision in the Hobby Lobby case, so now women who want birth control will have to go ask their Big Daddy boss for it. In Sebelius v. Hobby Lobby, this very conservative court voted to give corporations the right to refuse to cover contraception. (The way Republicans have argued this is totally not slut shaming at all, it’s just that if you sluts want sex, you’ll have to pay for it on your own, Lazy Lucys.)

Of course, women know that birth control is used for more than just birth control. Women use it for all kinds of medical reasons that the boys in the Republican Party don’t seem to understand, but then, they believe in legitimate rape and shutting that whole thing down so who can blame them.

Here’s the question via SCOTUS blog:

Whether the Religious Freedom Restoration Act of 1993 (RFRA), 42 U.S.C. §§ 2000bb et seq., which provides that the government “shall not substantially burden a person’s exercise of religion” unless that burden is the least restrictive means to further a compelling governmental interest, allows a for-profit corporation to deny its employees the health coverage of contraceptives to which the employees are otherwise entitled by federal law, based on the religious objections of the corporation’s owners.

The answer is, of course, yes. This court loves them some corporations and so a corporation’s right to impose their religion is more important than a woman’s access to life saving birth control under a medical insurance plan. Let’s just say that somewhere in America right now there is a group of women coming up with a religion that is against pacemakers and Viagra and they are very much looking forward to proving their point.

But before that happens, there is an election this year. And nothing motivates people to get out the vote like being spat on collectively and publicly, so thanks SCOTUS!

GAME ON. Women are already fighting back:

Terry O’Neill, the President of the National Organization for Women, quickly sent out an email calling for donations, “NOW is going all out this year to educate and mobilize voters, tell them where the candidates stand, and make sure these voters get to the polls on Election Day. But we can’t do it without your help!”

Debra L. Ness, President, National Partnership for Women & Families, issued a statement calling the ruling shocking, “Today’s U.S. Supreme Court rulings in the Hobby Lobby and Conestoga Wood Specialties Corp. cases are deeply troubling – even shocking, in that the Court is allowing some bosses to deny women coverage for something as basic as birth control. Whether it affects 500 or 5,000,000 women, this is a dangerous and appalling intrusion that takes the country backward and undermines women’s health…

Women who thought, in 2014, that their birth control coverage was secure now have to stop and consider the views of their bosses. That is truly outrageous.

As Justice Ginsberg said in her dissent: ‘Working for Hobby Lobby or Conestoga, in other words, should not deprive employees of the preventive care available to workers at the shop next door …’ We could not agree more.

Birth control is basic, essential health care for women. It is dangerous for everyone that the Court allowed bosses control over our health care.

This is as troubling as any Supreme Court ruling in recent years. We will not rest until every woman in this country has coverage for the birth control she needs.”

Amanda Metskas, President of the Secular Coalition for America, said today’s decision by the court will allow employers to impose their religious beliefs on their employees and interfere with the employees’ personal health care decisions.

“This is a sad day for anyone who believes in true religious freedom. With this decision the Supreme Court set a terrible precedent for religious interference in individual choice,” Metskas said. “This decision allows for-profit business owners to impose their religious preferences and practices on their employees, leaving the religious freedom of millions of Americans at the mercy of their individual employers.”

Yeah, women are not pleased and they are just getting warmed up. And as anyone on the receiving end of a woman’s justified anger can tell you, an angry woman is an opponent who should not be underestimated.

I’d wager that all of the men who enjoyed sex without babies are also not impressed. That’s kind of a big tent.

That noise you just heard was death rattle gasp of the GOP tent. The Republican Party now officially stands for taking access to birth control (life-saving) away from women, as well as regulating a woman’s eggs even before they are fertilized or implanted. That’s a super interesting way of standing for “freedom”, but one that will not stand the test of time.

Binders Full of Women will get out the vote this fall. They will keep voting until this travesty is put to rest. Thanks, SCOTUS, for waking up the women of America.

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159 Replies to “The Supreme Court Just Made A Huge Mistake by Making Women Really Mad”

  1. and to the conservative men who sit in smug satisfaction: it’s all fun and games and a huge joke until your own son come home saying “guess what, dad, I kinda knocked up my girlfriend. Yes I know she was only 14.”

    Or your daughter who comes home crying that her boyfriend knocked her up.

    Then it’s dizzying how fast you will make a secret appointment with your family doctor to get this situation taken care of. I know because it happened to an arch right conservative family values asshole friend of my uncle’s.

    So don’t start your family values crowing because I know you are full of more hypocritical hot air than the crater of Mt St. Helens.

  2. This is the perfect example why we need to keep a Democrat in the White House come 2016 and 2020.

    Scalia – will be 80 in 2016
    Kennedy – also will be 80 in 2016
    Breyer – will be 78 in 2016
    Bader Ginsburg – will be 83 in 2016

    These four seats will most likely be filled by the next President of the United States.

    Wouldn’t it be a different world with a 6-3 majority instead of a 5-4 minority?

  3. Justice Ginsburg has it right. This is only the beginning. Today our country took another step in becoming a theocracy.

  4. I agree it’s a horrible decision, and naive white dudes got played. But this will NOT affect the majority of women in the U.S. — only the ones unlucky enough to be working for family-owned, right-wing religious zealots who want to slut-shame them. Target and GE, for example, can’t make anybody ask for what they need. Thank god.

  5. That noise you hear?

    That’s the country going down a very slippery slope.

    The Court now has no legitimacy. None. They just disregarded the one document their existence is meant to safeguard.

  6. Hobby Lobby purchases about 90% of their products from Communist China, a country with a one-child policy where women are sometimes forced by government officials to have abortions. Hypocrisy anyone?

  7. Maybe there should be a national campaign that the reason to never elect a Republican President ever again is because with him/her comes a Right-wing, extremist Supreme Court.

  8. Guess they need to stop covering Viagra. Maybd everyone ought ti claim religous believes for there taxes and anything else they can so tgey won’t have to pay. All they goibg to pay for all the problems some women get when pregnant will end up costing them mire miney in health fof wkmen. Will tgey pay for abortions because of this ruling.

  9. You must be joking. No where in the Constitution does it guarantee the right to birth control or abortions. Do you even know what the decision on abortion was based on? “Freedom of Speech”, how absurd. How does abortion translate to Freedom of Speech?
    Here’s an idea, if you don’t like working where you do because of an issue like this either get supplemental insurance or get another job. Why should the public pay for something the majority of the American People are against. For your information Pro-Life has passed Pro-Choice in the polls.

  10. I’m about to write a Facebook note about the decisions announced today.
    Suffice it to say that I’m upset, but NOT for the reasons that you might think…
    BTW: this decision will do exactly as Ms. Jones suggests in the title…it will piss off women and help the Democratic Party. But, that’s not the major reason why I’m upset…

  11. It all comes down to our votes. Mid terms and general elections. No more sitting idly by. No more is it a gender issue, or a race issue. It is us versus them. Plain and simple. We have the numbers. We have shown that by electing Obama twice. There must be an all out concerted effort to turn out votes. Votes in numbers that cannot be disputed or ignored. Each and every one of us must become an activist for our fellow brothers and sister. We are fighting an opposition party that is vile and will rig, steal, and manipulate elections. We are battling corporate self interests. Now we have inherited another enemy called SCOTUS.

    As daunting as that sounds we still have the numbers. We have the will. We have the better team. It is just a question of do you want to vote. Rally others to vote. We must provide numbers that are indisputable. The we can begin to undo the damage and move forward as a society.

  12. Funny we though during the 2012 Presidential election who ever won would probably appoint 2 or more to the Supreme Court now we know no body on that court is retiring unless they drop dead unsuspectingly.Now it’s 2016

  13. The next big effort by the Republicans in their war against women will be to use every means necessary to make sure women’s votes are not counted at the election polls thus guaranteeing that their Tea Party and Koch Brothers stooge puppets win elections.

  14. Once again, the religiously self-righteous manage to impose their dogmatic, misogynistic views onto the rest of society.

  15. Thank you for stating that. Hobby Lobby also invests in the very drug companies that make the birth control that they are objecting to.

  16. Your small mind do know contraception is not an abortion. Your dumbass do know that much. You do know under the 14th amendment says equal protection under the law and since this ruling just applies to women how is that equal. And finally Mr. Taliban the 1st amendment Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof was totally destroyed and the justices overstepped their authority with this ruling

  17. Here here! I know a couple just like that as well. Family values, but only for other people. HYPOCRITES to the hilt.

  18. Justice Ginsburg, writing for the four dissenting Justices, refers to the decision thusly:

    In a decision of startling breadth, the Court holds that commercial enterprises, including corporations, along with partnerships and sole proprietorships, can opt out of any law (saving only tax laws) they judge incompatible with their sincerely held religious beliefs.

  19. The Constitution doesn’t guarantee you a salary either, there Bunky. Nor oxygen. And all those things it doesn’t guarantee are exactly what the plutocrats are taking over with plans to charge you for.

    What do you think the cause is for worker salaries going down and income for execs going up? It’s not an area the constitution applies.

    And neither should it be in birth control as that is a SECULAR matter that should, in our democracy, not be subordinate to religion.

    Where did you get such strange ideas?

  20. As the decision is not based on the Constitution but on a statute, the immediate remedy is to vote the cuntroll freaks out of Congress and get the statute repealed.

  21. At the time, the Framers saw no more reason to address that than to address the right to take OTC cough syrup. Such contraception as existed was within the purview of family lore, midwifery, and town root women. Doctors sometimes performed surgical abortions when these could not be produced medicinally. Nobody really started getting exercised about it until the late Victorian era, when improved surgical techniques made the latter safer and more sure, and when (a) the idea of women experiencing sexual desires caused a cultural squick, and (b) legal and theological gains by women triggered the masculinist backlash of “muscular Christianity”.

  22. That nice for 2016, but we need to get out the vote for 2014. We need to keep the senate in Dems. hands and pick-ups in the House.. Our basic rights are under attack:
    Racism is dead: Shelby
    Corporation are people: Citizen United
    Screw you women: Hobby Lobby

    If anybody running for pres. on dem. side better get out their and help get the (Clinton, O’Mallory, Sander, etc.)2014 VOTE!!!

  23. I agree that we should all GOTV in 2014, it is very important but I would like to see a boycott of Hobby Lobby and their chinese products. Health insurance is insurance and they should not decide what it can be used for other than employee health.

  24. Plus, they provided this coverage for years with no complaint. Once the coverage was mandated, suddenly it violates their religious morals. *coughsbullsh*tcoughs*

  25. Justice Ginsburg Writes Blistering Dissent On Hobby Lobby
    Religious organizations exist to foster the interests of persons subscribing to the same religious faith. Not so of for-profit corporations. Workers who sustain the operations of those corporations commonly are not drawn from one religious community.”
    •”Any decision to use contraceptives made by a woman covered under Hobby Lobby’s or Conestoga’s plan will not be propelled by the Government, it will be the woman’s autonomous choice, informed by the physician she consults.”
    •”It bears note in this regard that the cost of an IUD is nearly equivalent to a month’s full-time pay for workers earning the minimum wage.”
    •”Approving some religious claims while deeming others unworthy of accommodation could be ‘perceived as favoring one religion over another,’ the very ‘risk the [Constitution’s] Establishment Clause was designed to preclude.”

    SHE HAS JUST LAIDOUT ON WHAT DEMOCRATS SHOULD RUN ON COME NOVENMER.

  26. Plus plus, the entire basis of contention is with “abortifacient” which birth control is not.

    Literally nothing is genuine about the cause nor the “logic” behind it.

  27. It is incredibly short sighted to cite “Republicans” as the drivers of this decision. In your opinion, is it impossible that someone could both 1) be a Republican and 2) be outraged by this deplorable decision by SCOTUS? The religiously motivated members of the right wing in politics do not speak for everyone associated with the Republican Party!

  28. “Women” aren’t mad! Pro-abortion advocates are mad. Half of the women in our country are pro-life and pro-freedom, and we are thrilled!! If you don’t want to work at Hobby Lobby, you don’t have to! You can choose to work for a company that will cover your birth control. It’s called freedom!! You are not a victim!!

  29. I remember reading about this a couple of years ago. The doctor who wrote the article said the protesters would always show up before the clinic opened so they could get it done quietly then go back to protesting. None of them he said seemed to be aware of the disconnect.

  30. So you’re all complaining about contraception that anyone can buy at Walmart for $9 or go to the doc for a small payment because you don’t want to pay for it. It happened, if you don’t like the decision, don’t bitch about it, do something abut it! It’s for only closely held corporations any way! This affects maybe 10 to 15% of all companies!

  31. THIS IS SO WRONG! If I was a “corporation” I would say ~~NO VIAGRA FOR YOU SEX MACHINE MEN. I won’t pay for it. !!

  32. I see why you are a bagger. You cant count
    Women Pro choice 50%
    Women Pro life(as if) 41%

    41 is not half and if you have Endometriosis, a condition in which uterine-lining tissue grows in other pelvic areas, can lead to scarring, severe pain, and sometimes infertility. The Pill stops the growth of tissue in other areas by reducing the hormones that cause the lining to build up., and your insurance wont pay for it because your boss thinks the baby jeebus says for women to shut up you don’t get to dictate your health concerns I hope you think and say
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  33. Working minimum wage a IUD COST A MONTHS SALARY! So if 10 TO 15% of companies refuse you service because some sky god said don’t serve this idiot that’s okay with you? My religion trumps your rights. Damn the Reich knew what they were doing when they stopped teaching Civics. Perfect example of idiocy

  34. “Why should the public pay for something the majority of the American People are against.”
    —————————-
    The public is not paying for it. The employee pays for their own insurance.

  35. I am urging… no… BEGGING people not to do a STANDARD boycott of Hobby Lobby. Try this instead:

    Go to Hobby Lobby on EVERY opportunity, pricing things, asking questions, then standing in the check out line with the items, getting to the front, saying you will be buying these items at a competitor due to Hobby Lobby’s prejudicial “religious” beliefs. Then leave the items at the counter so they can calculate exact numbers on what they have lost financially.

    If you think I am punishing the workers by doing that, I’ll remind you that they will get paid the same amount no matter what I do.
    They’re just getting paid to reshelve items. There will be no profit for the labour. ANYWHERE.

    Hobby Lobby can ignore your ABSENCE when you boycott, but I’ll be DAMNED if they can ignore your PRESENCE when you show them what they have lost. Revolution and protest don’t have to be violent. They have to be EFFECTIVE. Please do this and spread the word.

  36. Lucy while see your point I disagree this ruling will only affect a handfill of women. I believe it’s another way of trying to reverse Roe v Wade inch by inch.

    How’s a person to know whether or not a corporation won’t cover contraception? Will religious freedom protect the them from revealing such info when a person is searching for info about a company when job searching? Will a person be allowed to ask a prospective employer during the job negotiation process if they cover contraception? Or will this info be clearly stated in the benefits package or is that too protected by religious freedom?. Also will such a question by a prospective employee allow the prospective employer to deem that this new hire is not of the proper religion & then revoke the job offer?

    The shortsightedness of SCOTUS & the GOP continues to baffle me. The ramifications of such rulings are extremely dangerous & effect all facets of life & society.

    What’s this really about;…

  37. I have a better idea. SCOTUS declared buffer zones unconstitutional (except around themselves, of course).

    I suggest picketing Hobby Lobby. The stores. Their corporate offices. The owners’ homes. Most of their merchandise comes from China where abortion is not only legal, it’s mandatory. Publicly and loudly call them out for the hypocrites they are.

  38. SunnyDay, I agree Hobby Lobby covered contraception for years w/o complaint; why is this a problem right now? At the same time, Hobby Lobby invests in contraception companies; what hypocrites.

    From what I understand, it’s the IUD contraception devices that trouble their delicate religious consciences as Hobby Lobby & the GOP believe IUDs are abortion devices in disguise.

    What gives Hobby Lobby & other corporations the right to trump my religious beliefs with theirs as they presume to know what’s best for me & my family.

    I’m mad as a hornet! Hell has no wrath like a woman! I’m off for the summer & will work as a volunteer for the Virginia Democrats to help educate women to GOTV in 2014.

  39. How about when a married Repub. politician knocks up his girlfriend? I’ll bet he believes in BC or abortion then.

  40. Random Observations on the Hobby Lobby Decision 1. Everything you really need to know about the decision made a five-man majority on the Supreme Court in Burwell v. Hobby Lobby is in this paragraph on page 46 of Justice Samuel “Is my wife crying again?” Alito’s opinion: “In any event, our decision in these cases is concerned solely with the contraceptive mandate. Our decision should not be understood to hold that an insurance- coverage mandate must necessarily fall if it conflicts with an employer’s religious beliefs. Other coverage require- ments, such as immunizations, may be supported by different interests (for example, the need to combat the spread of infectious diseases) and may involve different arguments about the least restrictive means of providing them.” – See more at: http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/?tw_p=twt#sthash.PRgIcjGO.dpuf

  41. The public isn’t paying for anything, you dumbass. It was/is already included in the policies. It doesn’t cost EXTRA. The constitution also doesn’t guarantee you the right to have your prostate problems taken care of or to get Viagra because you can’t get it up, but hey, that’s in the policies also. And to top off right wing ignorance, contraception isn’t even an abortifacient. This is hands down the stupidest decision ever handed down by SCOTUS, even slightly more stupid than Citizen’s United.

    Here’s what needs to happen. The insurance carriers need to refuse to cover prostate problems or Viagra, etc. Or even better yet, offer these employees supplemental policies at the cost of ONE PENNY for contraception. Problem solved and a big FU to SCOTUS.

    And get your facts straight. Pro-choice is far ahead of pro-life and the vast, vast majority of Americans want access to contraceptives.

  42. This isn’t about religious freedom.

    Nothing touching individual religious freedom was decided today. NOT ONE THING. If you think your religious freedom was somehow increased by this decision, you’re truly ignorant of what’s taken place.

    The Supreme Court did not say that YOU have religious freedom with this decision; they did not say you have MORE religious freedom with this decision today.

    What they said was that corporations have MORE religious freedom than YOU do.

    This is not a “win” for individuals. This is a win – another win – for a corporation.

    Now, you can sit there and say all you want that this means you don’t have to pay for this or that but the truth is, YOU WEREN’T PAYING FOR IT TO BEGIN WITH.

    A COMPANY was paying – and it wasn’t even Hobby Lobby, it was an INSURANCE company.

    And now companies have one more opening to stick it to their workers…TO STICK IT TO YOU.

    Happy 4th of July, America.

  43. The rich friends of the Republicans need no help with health insurance or anything else.Lets continue to dominate women like for the last 6000 years.

  44. I am extremely upset by the Supreme Court decision to allow a small private business to use their religious beliefs to affect employee heatlth. Many contraceptives have value for other health reasons.
    I never had an abortion, but I feel it necessary to affirm a womans right to have insurance that will help prevent contraception, in marriage qnd out. Having sex is q joy, not an evil. Anyone who beliefes it to be evil is ill informed. Men tnought that one up long ago, not anyone’s god did it. Started with the Roman Church.

  45. That majority teathugliKKKan SCOTUS chips at our democracy bit by bit and we must get out the mid-term votes or we are doomed so we must save our generation and the next.VOTE! VOTE! & VOTE BLUE! We need a teathugliKKKan tsunami in November.

  46. I am a man and I never had an abortion either. So why are 5 old catholic male cranks get to decide for women health issues?

  47. The “dicks” in power will allow insurance to cover pharmaceutical “dick splints”,
    but NOT the right of a woman NOT to bear irresponsible Dick Splint’s child.

  48. You lie in bed with dogs you get flees. What do you expect when you vote for woman hating men? We blame all republicans because it’s your fault.

  49. “Women” aren’t mad! Pro-abortion advocates are mad.

    There’s no such thing as pro abortion.

    Half of the women in our country are pro-life

    Not true.

    and pro-freedom, and we are thrilled!!

    You’re thrilled, stick to speaking for yourself you tend to be wrong. Wait till your 13yo daughter get’s pregnant.

    If you don’t want to work at Hobby Lobby, you don’t have to!

    Unless their the only ones hiring.

    You can choose to work for a company that will cover your birth control.

    Or hobby lobby can follow the same rules as everyone else and not discriminate against woman.

    It’s called freedom!! You are not a victim!!

    Yes actually we, you included, are. All mens medical needs are covered ours aren’t. Not to mention incorrect beliefs are now effecting the ways our laws are being applied and that effects us all.

  50. Going to the doc costs about $90 and the regular BC i used to take cost $50 a month so that’s $140. That’s almost a weeks pay.

  51. And yet you’ll go right back and vote Republican in the fall. Spare us your pontification, seriously. You’re the first one I’ve seen with remotely a liberal thought that hasn’t already left and gone Independent or Democrat out of disgust for the Republican Party.

    Your silence, aka your vote, implies consent. If you vote Republican, then you vote in favor of this decision. It’s that simple.

    If you’re trying to imply that you aren’t in favor of this decision, but you value the rest or most of the rest of the GOP’s platform, then your problems run much deeper than just this one issue.

  52. My daughter began taking bc pills at age 16 for a medical condition, nothing to do at all with sex, procreation, pregnancy, etc. We paid anywhere from $30 to $60 a month for them, not $9. There are many struggling women out there who cannot afford $30-60 a month. And as was said elsewhere, the insurance companies were paying for this, not the employer. This is nothing more than one more notch in the belt for crusty old white men who want to push women back into the kitchen and keep them pregnant.

    I pity the women too stupid to make their own decisions, that they need a man to make them for her. Derp.

  53. This is what happens when you think politics has no effect on your life. Elections choose the politicians who choose the judges who make these decisions. There were primaries across the entire country at the beginning of this month. ONLY 15% OF YOU SHOWED UP TO VOTE. 85% of the eligible voting age adults couldn’t be bothered. Really tired of the excuses for not participating, and my patience with the whiners who say “How could this happen in America?” has *totally* evaporated. Enjoy the government you didn’t vote for.

  54. I voted even though living among the American Taliban my vote wont change the idiocy in my state but at least I can talk shit. If you don’t vote I don’t want to hear your opinion

  55. Better yet. Go into a store, ask for a senior manager (not a floor manager; seniors hide in the back – make ’em walk to you and get off their duff), then ask for directions to Michael’s or another competitor in the area.

    (general idea courtesy of Immoral Minority; asking for a senior mgr – my idea).

  56. Birth Control is not a basic necessity of every woman’s life. Planned Parenthood has 28% of US women are on the pill. Why are we making the assumption that the people should pay for another person’s medical care? That is foreign to American way of life. That is not my responsibility. I looked up the cost of the pill without insurance. The pill is about $13 per month. It is not that expensive. The reason why an employer would not want to pay for birth control is because the pill is not a contraceptive but an abortifacient, which means it doesn’t prevent an egg to be fertilized, but removes the possibly fertilized egg at menstruation. So when you use it, you could be pregnant, but it is being removed. Since many believe life begins at conception (half the population) that would mean you are ending a life. It would be the government taking away the business person’s religious freedom to make them pay for such a thing. You have to respect that, that is the American way.

  57. Birth control pill: The pill is one of the most commonly-used birth control method and prices vary greatly depending on the brand you chose and the dosage you need. For instance, Tri-Nessa costs $37.49 a month at Duane Reade in New York City, while a similar version called Tri-Sprintec costs $9 a month at Walmart. Ortho Tri-Cyclen Lo, one of the most expensive birth control pills, costs $142.99 at Duane Reade. – See more at: http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Articles/2014/06/30/After-SCOTUS-Hunt-Cheap-Birth-Control#sthash.h4VeU9IU.dpuf

  58. I take it that you too are looking at the 2 decisions as holding up fo the ciorporate personhood crap. These 2 decisions today was a smack down to women and labor in general. Another big flashing neon sign that says, we, the GOP are pro corporate, screw the working class.

  59. @ Frank, don’t you know the difference between the rights protected by the constitution & a law?

    No one is claiming the constitution protects the right to contraception & abortion. Do you even understand the premise of this lawsuit? It’s not about changing the constitution to protect a woman’s rights to BC & abortion. It claims coporations have the same rights to religious freedom as individual persons & can claim that by providing contraception coverage to employees it violates their right to religious freedom.

    This ruling doesn’t change the constitution.

    When are you people going to understand the difference beteen BC coverage & abortion.

    I’ve never had or known of a health insurance plan that covers abortion. When are you people going to understand that neither yours or anyones taxes or the government pay for abortions. If a woman has an a abortion she must pay for it with her own money if she & her doctor aren’t violently harassed or….

  60. Unfortunately, they did twice already- In 2008 and 2012— and the whole nation is paying for the bad decisions of those.

  61. You’re wrong about how contraception works and you’re also minimizing the cost of it by referencing the more common type of contraception that is prescribed. There are many types of birth control – not all of them are cheap. Moreover, you can add to the cost of the prescription the cost of the doctor visit.

    Furthermore, no one is asking you or Hobby Lobby to pay for contraception. The employee pays for the insurance and the insurance covers the cost of contraception without co-pay – the same as they do other preventative medications (high blood pressure, cholesterol meds, etc.). YOU personally pay nothing for someone else and neither does Hobby Lobby.

    In the past Hobby Lobby provided coverage for contraception in their health plans and didn’t say a word against it…until the preventative care mandate was announced.

    Why didn’t they take that out of their health plan before ACA?

    Answer: Because they’re hypocrites.

  62. What’s next? Chick-Fil-A disallows insurance that carries HIV/STD meds because they say the lifestyles of “gays” and “floozies” are not alined with their religious beliefs?

  63. YEP!! The fact that Alito and the majority think they can limit this decisions reach to only the contraceptive issue is hilarious, and scary. The floodgates have been blown the f*ck up.

  64. So much wrong with this that I’m not sure where to start. But I will try.

    First, birth control is used for many medical reasons that have nothing to do with contraception. My daughter has an eating disorder; she is on the pill because it stops her periods and keeps her from becoming anemic while we work to treat her illness. When we started, she weighed 84 pounds and was close to being hospitalized. You were saying BC isn’t a need?

    Second, you’re wrong about how the BC pill works. The pills are regulated amounts of estrogen and progesterone designed to mimic the hormone levels of pregnancy and STOP ovulation from occurring. You might want to do just a bit of research before posting inaccurate information, as it doesn’t help your case.

    Third, no one else is paying for anything: not you and really, not even Hobby Lobby. BC coverage is — and has been for years — part of the insurance coverage provided to Hobby Lobby employees. No one is asking you to pay for anything.

  65. It gets even better
    Chairperson and Chief Executive Officer of PepsiCo Indra Nooyi is a Hindu.
    http://www.pepsico.com/Company/Leadership

    If you don’t say this prayer? You violate Religious freedom and goddaamint corporations are people

    Hinduism, the world’s oldest religion, has no beginning–it precedes recorded history. It has no human founder. It is a mystical religion, leading the devotee to personally experience the Truth within, finally reaching the pinnacle of consciousness where man and God are one. Hinduism has four main denominations–Saivism, Shaktism, Vaishnavism and Smartism.
    I mean no disrespect

  66. I mostly agree with the sentiments and views expressed in this article. However, I do have one comment, and it concerns the first sentence.

    It says, “many women would argue that feminism was unnecessary because the battle had been won.”

    This sentence coming at the top of the article, assumes that most women think this to be true. I think the battle continues, but it hasn’t been won. Just the fact that this was in court at all proves it. I just don’t want people to think that the opinion of most women is that the battle has been won. As a man who’s girlfriend is definitely a feminist and a defender and fighter for women’s rights, not just legislatively, but day to day on te streets, I don’t want a clumsy sentence make people think that it was over before today.

  67. Ok guys and by that I mean MEN, do not start to think that this isn’t your problem and women please don’t start think all men are evil and responsible for this. Go back to your US HISTORY lesson, There was a time like this before in our history. The big difference then was the rich gave up there religion for Darwinism. Which ment because the strong(rich) servive and the weak(everyone else) die off they didn’t have to even pay descent wages, 5 year olds to 70 year olds worked in near slave conditions for crumbs. With this ruling we could see a business owner that beleives in healing through prayer, so sorry no healthcare at all for you. The kkk has some awfully twisted religious view. My point here is when we let someone take away one type of persons rights we say it’s ok for them to take all our rights.

  68. Ironically the public was NOT paying for it but they will NOW because the women who can’t afford the IUD’s or Plan B will be covered under money from HHS. So your “victory” will actually take money from your pocket.

  69. Conservatives don’t care because they believe laws are only for common folk. They’ll still have abortions, just take private planes to meet their family doctor or friend and no one ever has to know, and they can just pay for it, probably find a way to write it off on their taxes as a medical emergency.

  70. This article is misleading and reactionary, meant to play on women’s emotions and stir women’s anger for political gain .
    The HL case involved 4 out of 20 types of ‘birth control- 2 Morning After pills and 2 IUDs. It did not take away any access or coverage for the typical birth control pills used by the vast majority of women for preventing contraception and regulating hormones.
    Calm down and learn the facts, ladies.

  71. I’m as mad as anyone else about this ruling, but a point has been made several times by various people above to the effect that Hobby Lobby does not pay for contraception because it’s the employee who pays for insurance, and insurance then pays for the BC. But (and please do correct me if I’m wrong) isn’t the point of employer-sponsored health care that the employer does in fact pay part of the cost of the insurance? Or else it would be prohibitively expensive for the individuals who desire it? It’s one of the benefits of being employed: access to affordable health insurance, because the cost of it is split between you and your employer. And that’s why Obamacare is so important: now everyone, whether employed full-time, part-time, self-employed, looking for work, etc., has access to more reasonably priced coverage than previously as an individual who didn’t have an employer sponsoring their coverage. So in fact, Hobby Lobby probably (and again, please correct me if I’m wrong)…

  72. Got cut off I guess. Meant to finish by saying that HL probably Did pay a portion of the insurance they objected to. Doesnt change my opinion that this ruling stinks for all the reasons mentioned above.

  73. I think I have the facts, thank you very much.

    You seem to be missing something with this ruling…a big something.

  74. You know what Astorix, I hope this happens to everyone of the far right cheering rethug family in this country…THEN WE WILL SEE JUST WHO IS CHEERING.

  75. This Scorpie should be used by every Dem in the next election. Shouted from the roof tops, on every t.v. station. BUT,will it?

  76. Tatiana, this is way beyond the continuing attempts to reverse Roe by a thousand cuts. These bastards ultimately want to reverse Griswold. They would also like to repeal the 19th Amendment and probably wouldn’t mind bringing back indentured servitude either (ahem) if it benefits corporate people

  77. One is a lock; Bader Ginsberg will definitely retire before Obama leaves.

    Of the Five CONS, the clock is ticking.

    In a way, the closer the timing to the November Election the better.

    If Scalia, for example, passes in September and Obama nominated a woman to replace him… and the CONS freak out and try to block the nomination;

    Even the people that are IGNORANT about politics will notice.

    The GOP minority in the Senate obdurately trying to block a female Justice from being appointed?

    That won’t go well for them.

  78. So much anger and hatred regarding this decision. Can someone explain why it is someone else’s responsibility to purchase birth control for people? Isn’t that the responsibility of the couple engaging in the sexual act? Also, the SCOTUS decision very clearly states that 16 of the 20 available birth control methods are still covered by Hobby Lobby, to include BC pills. The only BC not Hobby Lobby will not cover are those considered abortifacient. Why is is someone else’s responsibility to pay for an abortion?

  79. Why is it your responsibility to pay for others car accidents? For others dental and vision care? For others medicines?

  80. I don’t think you are comparing apples to apples here. I am not aware of anyone who intentionally got into a car accident. Also, it isn’t my responsibility to pay for other people’s car accidents, I freely agree to do so through my auto insurance in exchange for the privilege of driving on government constructed roads. I have the choice to not drive, thus not purchase auto insurance. Equating pregnancy to diseases or illness is a bit disingenuous as pregnancy is completely avoidable. In this case, no one is being denied access to abortion pills. The court has merely decided that business owners can’t be ordered by the government to provide abortion pills to employees.

  81. The point is, insurance companys spread the cost of insurance around to everyone. You can refuse to have health care and pay a small fine in your taxes.

    Business was ordered to have birth control in their group policy, not that the company itself had to provide it

  82. How do you feel about high blood pressure medication? Cholesterol lowering drugs? Insulin?

    All of these and more are preventative care drugs – so is contraception. All are covered at no co-pay – but now, not contraception.

    By the way, the rule for covering contraception as part of preventative care was put in place by George W Bush, and during all this time, Hobby Lobby and other companies did not say a word about it. It only became a “problem” for them when the Obama Admin issued a rule that this contraception coverage would be covered at no co-pay – just like other preventative medications.

    Wonder why they are making a big deal of it now, especially when Hobby Lobby has been paying part of its employees’ health insurance premiums all along without complaint?

  83. Again, you aren’t comparing apples to apples. Blood pressure medication, cholesterol lowering drugs, and insulin prevent disease and illness. Your point only holds water if having children is thought of as an illness or disease. Also, getting pregnant isn’t something that you “catch” from poor eating habits or a sedentary lifestyle. My final point in regards to ‘preventive care’ is that Hobby Lobby is still required to provide birth control to its employees. Just not abortion pills. The preventive care is still available in 16 different flavors. In regards to your Bush defense, you are making the assumption I am some sort of Bush supporter,far from it. I am however a supporter of personal responsibility and rational thought. But I digress, Bush was never a fan of birth control. But don’t take it from me, take from feminists.

    http://www.womensliberation.org/index

  84. I could not care less if you like Bush or don’t like Bush – it’s simply a statement of fact.

    As for apples and oranges, consider this:

    You seem to equate contraception with simply “preventing pregnancy.” It’s used for other things than that.

    Take me for instance. I take a certain form of birth control because if I don’t, cysts will grow out of control in my ovaries which would, eventually, necessitate the removal of said ovaries (not to mention it causes significant pain). Would you say controlling these cysts is preventing an illness, a disease?

    How about those who cannot carry a baby to term without incurring signification and possibly life-ending complications?

    How about those women who have heavy bleeding during their periods? They could become anemic (or worse). Is that worthy?

    Just because YOU aren’t aware of the diseases and illnesses that contraception prevents, it doesn’t mean they don’t exist and it doesn’t mean they aren’t worth fighting…..

  85. Just wait until a Muslim Owned Corporation
    Forces ALL employees to Kneel down and Pray
    to Allah 5 times a Day.

  86. You guys know that you can still get birth control, right? Even if you work for Hobby Lobby. YES, Hobby Lobby is still providing birth control. 16 forms of it. Check your facts before you get so worked up.

  87. Do you mean the same Muslims that practice forced female circumcision? The ones that don’t allow women to go outside without a male family member present? The same ones that require a female rape victim to provide 4 eye witnesses in order to prosecute rapists? Are you referring to the Muslims that have no minimum age for women to be married, and can be consummated at age 9? Are these the Muslims you are referring to? THERE is your true ‘War on Women’. To compare the SCOTUS decision yesterday to forced Islamic prayer is absurd. Who was actually hurt by the decision yesterday? Does anyone really think that the government isn’t going to swoop in and pay for the 4 abortifacient’s that Hobby Lobby will not be forced to pay for? Again, more fake outrage by politicians ginning up emotions from the base right before the mid term elections. This decision is exactly what democrats were hoping for and women’s groups are playing right into their scheme.

  88. Apples to apples? You are referring to very extremist muslims. Not the everyday muslim.

    Fake outrage? Are you so dumb as to see where this decision can go? Are you so dumb that you think its all about birth control?

    Yes, you are

  89. Do you know the Courts decision opens up pandoras box that will allow corporations to not hire you if you are not the right religion? Not cover many many forms of disease control?

  90. Unfortunately, Shiva, too many are missing the entire point with this decision by the Court.

    Everyone thinks it’s just about birth control but they have NO IDEA what actually happened with this ruling.

    It’s a shame because it’s affecting them, too, they just refuse to see it because they’re all caught up in their “religious freedom” fervor.

    If they only knew…

  91. The tea buggery has their little minions thinking this is a very narrow decision. But its not and this could effect the minions in time just like everyone else.

  92. Ah yes, the everyday Muslims. The ones that speak out so often against the atrocities committed by the extremist Muslims…wait, they don’t speak out against extremists. Their silence is deafening. And I see you and Paws have adopted the Hillary argument of the ‘slippery slope’ that cannot be identified or debated. With the exaggerated reaction to this ruling one would think that that the ACA has been the law for generations! If it were this important why did this administration wait almost 6 years to institute it? Answer:politics. They don’t care about reproductive rights, just re-election. Also, now that name calling has started on your part it becomes abundantly clear that you are incapable of debating your argument effectively, thus proving my point. And how shameful the current divisiveness in this country is that when an individual utters the word ‘constitution’ or ‘freedom’ they are immediately castigated as tea buggers, racists, or misogynists.I miss reason and…

  93. No, I have adopted nothing. You are attempting to treat regular muslims as extremists expecting them to do everything you want. You are saying that regualr christians are no different then the fundies. It doesnt work that way.

    In fact everything about your posts screams do it my way or its not right. I debated my point. You are just going to extremes to whine. You didnt utter freedom or constitution, nor do you have any idea what this decision means.

    Bugger off. Your whining is greatly exaggerated as is your assumed superiority

  94. And I see you and Paws have adopted the Hillary argument of the ‘slippery slope’ that cannot be identified or debated
    ————————————
    I know this will be hard for you to wrap your head around but the immoral catholic mafia ruled it to be a family-owned corporation, and afforded provisions thereof. Leys look at that for a moment

    Family owned corporations have separate provisions?

    Q: “How many of these family-owned corporations do we have in America that are large enough to affect a wide enough swath of Americans as their employees for us to predict this shit will send us down the road of…?”
    A: It appears that 90% of all corporations are of this type and they employ about 52% of all Americans
    http://web-docs.stern.nyu.edu/salomon/docs/corporategovernance/S-CG-02-06.pdf

    “The vast majority of firms in the U.S. are close corporations. Out of almost 4.7 million corporations that filed taxes in 1997, only 8,000 corporations were publicly listed in the NYSE, Nasdaq and Amex combined (Nasdaq fact book).”

    Faulty premises lead to faulty conclusions. That’s why instead of trying to belittle someone pick up a book and read!
    Now that we have establish the fact the vast majority of corporations are family owned can you see the slippery slope argument when a ruling favors the destruction of the 1st and 14th amendments? Now if you don’t believe equal protection under the law don’t you ever mention the Constitution again

  95. Women should vote these people out, pressure big pharma to cut costs on BC , pressure the corporations to include Viagra, n go on an abstinence strike!!!

  96. To HH6112:

    I have not adopted anything; in fact, I said yesterday right after the decision was announced that this was a slippery slope – long before Mrs. Clinton said so.

    That said, it IS a slippery slope and I only wish you knew why.

    Hint: It’s not for the reason you seem to think it is.

  97. Hypocrisy abounds in the Republican party and the Supreme Court. Years ago when I worked for a home health company, men would come in to purchase and get instructions for the ‘Erect-Aid’. This was covered by Medicare!!!!!! It would not surprise me in the least if similar devices are also covered by Medicare and insurers today, along with viagra. Few people consider the larger picture. Unintended children born to ill-prepared parents fill our prisons and frequently have more difficulties with learning, mental health issues and addictions. Not to mention battered and killed children. Resources (including the ones the Republicans are trying to decimate) are stretched extremely thin to deal with these problems. There simply is no thought to cause and effect.

  98. Well, then, Katie …why did Hobby Lobby file a big ass lawsuit all the way to the Supreme Court to prevent having to provide coverage?? Is it money or hatred of a black president?

  99. Oh man, the race card. Always the lowest card, yet always played. Here’s the actual reason: Hobby Lobby filed its lawsuit to avoid being subjected to excessive government entanglement in violation of the RFRA and, more importantly, the Free Exercise Clause. You probably don’t know what those are, so I recommend you 1: read about them, and 2: read the actual Supreme Court opinion so you can maybe understand how your hysterical cries of “THEY HATE WOMEN!!! THEY BANNED BIRTH CONTROL!!!” are so absurd.

  100. Before jumping on the liberal band wagon, please read the details of this case. The case was not about contraceptives under the ACA, it was about those that cause abortions after conception. That is what Hobby Lobby was opposed to. And, anyone who calls themselves a Christion should also be opposed to anything that causes abortion.

  101. Would it follow that anyone who calls them selves a christian should be opposed to dealing with countrys that demand abortion?

    The bible says life begins at the first breath

  102. But further Bc, this ruling allows corporations to use this to not serve people, not allow the insurances to buy certain expensive meds and a million of other things

  103. Funny that they provided the services before the ACA and to top that off they buy all their products from China that is the worlds leader in abortion. Not to mention they invest in companies that manufacture contraceptives. Other that that they are holier than thou Christians
    “Faith is believing something you know ain’t true.” – Mark Twain

  104. A person should not have to jump through extra hoops just because her employer has issues with certain forms of birth control that the employer next door provides by insurance mandates.
    The employers are not mommy and daddy…and the employees are adult citizens of the United States of America.
    P.S. Corporations are NOT people. When corporations can fall in love, get married, catch a disease, have or adopt a baby, get in a car accident, have a mastectomy, or go to prison…then we’ll talk.

  105. An Update to an old adage:
    “Give a Woman Free Birth Control and she’ll be a Democrat for life. Try and teach her to go to the Drug Store and buy it her own damn self with her own money and you’re an ‘oppressor’ of women.”
    The taxpayers must pay for it and Government must mandate that the taxpayers must pay for it, or it’s “oppressive”. Fascinating…

  106. Dummy your boss doesn’t pay nothing. You pay for your insurance ad the government subsidize the private insurance industry with tax breaks meaning money in the owners pocket for the remainder of the cost. You would know that of your brain wasn’t on the Reich wing drug of stopidity.

    Oh BTW did you know the government pays for your little dick gets hard to over 372 BILLION A YEAR where is your outrage over that?
    A look at Medicare’s ‘grossly excessive’ spending on … penis pumps
    http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/mar/24/ilyse-hogue/look-medicares-grossly-excessive-spending-penis-pu/

  107. When are women gonna stop letting the Feminists brain wash them.

    Being healthy and fertile is NOT medical condition needing treatment. Birth control methods, 98% of the time, are not used to treat a medical condition. Therefore there is no justification for them to be covered by health insurance.

    This is just the Feminist playing the “victim card” and trying to get another “freebie” for women.

    Health Insurance is to cover treatment of medical conditions. Being healthy and fertile is NORMAL! Birth control methods are not used for treatment of any illness 98% of the time when they are used.

    And don’t mention Viagra! It is NOT a birth control method! AND is used for treat of a medical condition that is not normal, unlike birth control methods.

  108. Hobby Lobby is not denying all forms of birth control just the ones they think are abortifacients. It is their right to follow their beliefs just as the GLBT fight for their beliefs & rights or the women who believed they had the right to vote because they believed they had that right. But you bring in God & the whole world goes crazy. They aren’t allowed to fight for their rights. They aren’t allowed to talk about their beliefs. Now women are going to start a game in their sandbox. If you take away my toy then I’m going to take yours away too. Get on the pill, you know the birth control pill &’then you won’t have to take the morning after pill. If you don’t like hobby Lobby then don’t go.

  109. yes, of COURSE I know that HL “proves” for some contraception. The point is, however, that contraception is a NOT a one size fits all. And only a doctor working with his/her patient can decide which contraceptive works best for them. And that’s because some contraceptives are used for normalizing a women’s hormones.

    it’s a health issue, not a simple birth prevention deal.

    When did Hobby Lobby go to medical school, get their doctor’s degree and start practising medicine?

  110. Not sure why they picked pacemakers — women need them too, like my mother in law. Why not pick on something like prostate screening that is only for men?

  111. “right now there is a group of women coming up with a religion that is against pacemakers and Viagra and they are very much looking forward to proving their point”

    And their point about pacemakers is . . . ? As a woman with a pacemaker, I’d very much like to know.

  112. Yes, Katie, however, there are several facts you are ignoring. Hobby Lobby is protesting the use of supposed abortificants that studies show DELAY ovulation, not aborting a fertilized egg, such as the IUD and the morning after pill. So the Supreme Court accepted HL’s “feelings over fact” rationale. Also, HL is perfectly happy to invest in those companies making those products, AND is perfectly happy purchasing goods from China, a forced abortion country. Hypocrites.

  113. Thank you Michelle – someone who actually read the ruling. It seems that a lot of people only read the opinions, like this site, instead of reading the actual Supreme Court decision for themselves.

    What most people don’t realize is that Hobby Lobby was already paying for birth control for their employees & male employees wives. This decision had nothing to do with “taking away” birth control pills at all. Thank you for clarifying that for those who may not understand it. But, then again, they will probably accuse YOU of not understanding the decision & continue to rant.

    I always find it amusing, when someone comments that businesses who have religious beliefs, may 1 day refuse blood transfusions, etc & will only accept prayer as a cure.

    Sometimes I wonder why it is so hard for people to understand this decision. Birth control was never denied to women. Just another reason for people to complain about something – even when they are wrong

  114. It took away the need for any corporation that pretends to be religious to give employees ANY birth control at all in their insurance policy.

    Perhaps you should read the further expressions of the court. It covers all forms of birth control.

  115. Paws – I don’t know if you misunderstood the decision by the Supreme Court or not, but Hobby Lobby has always paid for birth control pills for their employees, as well as condoms, sponges, etc. They even paid for sterilization surgeries.

    The only thing that was challenged was when the AHCA tried to force them to pay for 2 morning after pills (1 of which could be taken up to 5 days after unprotected intercourse) & 2 IUD’s – that’s all. The 4 products that they weren’t “forced” to pay, could be considered abortion causing were Plan B “morning-after pill”, the Ella “morning-after pill” & Hormonal and copper intrauterine devices (IUDs).

    It does NOT open the door to deny any other type of birth control pill & Hobby Lobby wasn’t fighting to stop all paying for all birth control pills. It is just something the media is doing to get women to believe it will end up being that way. I didn’t realize the media were psychics & could predict the future.

  116. Tammy, it scares me that people like you vote. You can’t “vote out” a Supreme Court Justice. Supreme Court justices are nominated by the POTUS. Once appointed, justices have life tenure unless they resign, retire, take senior status, or are removed after impeachment, although no justice has ever been removed.

    Please educate yourself before commenting on something you either know nothing about or don’t understand. First of all, this doesn’t affect ALL birth control. Hobby Lobby was already providing 16 of the 20 birth control options that the AHCA forced upon insurance carriers. They provided birth control pills, sponges, condoms & even paid for sterilization surgery. The only thing they objected to was the morning after pill, the week after pill & 2 IUD’s. So women can’t find at least 1 option out of the 16? If so, then the problem lies with the woman, not the insurance that Hobby Lobby provides for their workers. Their starting wage is also 90% above…

  117. Each time the Bible speaks of the unborn, there is reference to an actual person, a living human being already in existence. These Scriptures, taken in context, all indicate that God considers the unborn to be people. The language of the text continually describes them in personal terms. Since the Bible treats those persons yet unborn as real persons, and since the development of a person is a continuum with a definite beginning at the moment of fertilization, the logical point at which a person begins to be human is at that beginning. The answer is that life begins at conception (using the now older definition of the term, here to be synonymous with fertilization). Frankly, no other conclusion is possible from Scripture or science.

    Exodus 21:22–24 talks about if a woman is hurt & gives birth prematurely due to men fighting. If the baby is harmed, then the person that caused harm to the baby, “shall give life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for f…

  118. You do realize that the bible is hardly the final word on anything right?

    bible says the child is human on the first breath

  119. “doesn’t affect ALL birth control.”

    Sure does. As before, read up on the courts analysis of their decision several days after

    You are making a fool of yourself. Anyone can pretend to be religious and not offer ALL birth control methods

  120. Because they think it doesn’t apply to them. THEY have a legitimate reason. The rest of them are just sluts. Bullshit!

  121. I’m not sure women are mad. I’m mad. But if women were really interested in the best interest of women, we wouldn’t be in the fix we’re in. Way too many women let men push them around. Or maybe they’re just stupid.

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