Michigan Republican Says Schools Should be a Ministry of the Church

Indiana has gotten a lot of attention lately for their religious tyranny law, but let’s not forget that Tea Party gulag-in-the-making, Michigan. Republican anti-education efforts don’t get much worse than the Tea Party’s own Michigan State Rep. Gary Glenn’s (R-Larkin Township) House Bill 4394.

As Michigan-based Eclectablog explains,

If Glenn’s bill – House Bill 4394 – becomes law, schools can hire anyone they want. The criteria currently used would be tossed out the window. The bill literally strikes out all of the criteria. In addition, it removes the words grades “9 through 12″ meaning that schools could hire anyone they wish, with or without a teaching certificate, for any grade level. No training as an educator required.

Can you imagine being a parent in a state where suddenly your children’s competent, trained teachers are fired and replaced with any Tom, Dick, or Harry, whose sole qualification is that he or she is willing to work for a fraction of what a teacher would be paid?

Can you imagine the effect on the state’s educational standards? Can you imagine the effect on your children when they go to school and are told that the earth is flat and only 6000 years old?

As the father of a fourth-grader, I can imagine the effect on my blood pressure.

Bad as this seems, it could get worse, believe it or not. And as these things go, it does: Glenn’s fellow Representative, Todd Courser, an attorney in real life, who represents the 82nd District, posted his own brilliant idea on Facebook. Courser later deleted the post, but Electablog was able to capture it (below):


As you can see, Courser opposes “Soviet-style” central planning, and like most Republicans, he seems to think Common Core standards are federally imposed standards (they are not). Courser is an attorney, mind you. He should know better. But then a lot of Republicans, Ted Cruz included, should know better.

So instead of the public schools our Founding Fathers envisioned, education should return to being a ministry of the church. Excuse me, but I think that’s what the Founding Fathers wanted to move away from.

When Pink Floyd sang that “we don’t need no education,” I don’t think church ministries are what they had in mind.

Look, I know Ted Cruz has said, “This country remains a country, I believe, grounded in values, grounded in faith, but far too many Christians have ceded the public arena to people who aren’t believers,” but come on.

And while we’re talking about the lunatics representative the Republican Party in state after state, I can’t leave out Arizona State Sen. Sylvia Allen, R-Snowflake. It know it’s a whole other state, but trust me, it’s relevant: Allen actually told the state’s appropriations committee on Tuesday that corrupt souls are at the root of our nation’s problems (as opposed to whack-a-doodle’s like her) and that therefore,

We are slowly eroding religion at every opportunity that we have. We should probably be debating a bill requiring every American to attend a church of their choice on Sunday to see if we can get back to having a moral rebirth.

Yes, because that jibes so well with the First Amendment!

In case you don’t believe it, here’s the video:

I guess while we’re forced to sit in church it would be a good time to be forced (at gunpoint) to listen to David Barton. Then Mike Huckabee could get his wish too. I guess this would be a sort of jobs bill, because then the GOP could give all those open-carry enthusiasts jobs pointing guns at us, because that’s the only thing that could get many of us into a church.

On Wednesday, Allen told the Arizona Capitol Times that while it was a “flippant” comment, she would not apologize for the comment. What the Times carefully did not mention is that, as Right Wing Watch reveals,

Allen is the very same lawmaker who defended uranium mining in her state by insisting that the earth is a mere 6,000-years-old…She also proposed that the state enable the creation of a volunteer border militia and pushed for a state constitutional amendment to ban same-sex marriage, warning that gay marriage would harm children and destroy Social Security.

Yes, gay people – not the Republican Party – are going to destroy social security.

That seems bad enough, but she also “Allen even offered a bill to protect her son-in-law who was under investigation for harassing female inmates while working in a country prison.” The young Republican was apparently forcing female inmates to give him oral sex.

I’m sorry, but as a metaphor of the Republican War on Women, I can’t think of a more apt metaphor.

If only the mainstream media would tell people the truth about their elected representatives. You have to wonder how many of them would get elected again, if they only knew.

It is interesting how Republicans think if only we “put the Bible back in school” and force people to go to church, our “free” society can be saved. But what’s free about coercion?

Of course, our young people won’t know what “coercion” means if Michigan’s Courser and Glenn get their way. After all, it doesn’t matter who teaches the scriptures. Anyone can do that, and the Bible’s the only textbook kids really need.

It’s much easier for the elites to lead them around by the nose that way. And really, it does put them a step above Europe’s serfs in that those poor unfortunates had to have the Bible read to them.

See how progressive the Republican Party is! If you want to know just how progressive, check out with Cindy Gamrat and Todd Courser have been up to in Michigan with their “contract for liberty,” which would dismantle the Constitution just the way the Founding Fathers intended, and their “life at conception” legislation to do away with that pesky freedom women have to control their own reproductive functions, and finally, their plans to turn Michigan into a theocracy, yay!

Fortunately, Eclectablog explains that they “have heard from multiple sources that the Republicans in the state legislature are doing everything in their power to make sure these two, along with [Cindy] Gamrat, are not seen as representing the Republicans as a whole and that they are neutralized and unable to have an impact that would harm their brand.”

Let’s hope this is true.

Edit [3.28.15, 2:31 pm] A previous version of this post had a typo referring to Eclectablog as Electablog.

29 Replies to “Michigan Republican Says Schools Should be a Ministry of the Church”

  1. Glenn replaced Moolenaar, who then replaced Dave Camp in the US House. He is in trouble here because he refuses to allow any dissonant comments on his websites, even his official MI House one. Anyone who disagrees with him is not only deleted, they are banned from posting. Nice open government official, huh? I did not vote for this POS, as I could see from his letters what he is about, but he had a lot of money, and managed to fool people. His opponent was an evil physician, you know, educated, and Glenn refused to debate (as did our AG Schuette, and our good Governor Snyder..they were too busy…) So this is our future, Michigan, unless WE change it….get these creeps off the payroll before they turn MI into a theocratic police state.

  2. If schools were to be run by churches, does that mean the public would no longer be on the hook for schools, and the churches would have to pay the costs?

  3. The first public school in America is Boston Latin School in Boston, MA ( established in 1635) still in operation.

    I respect parents making choices for their children, but the majority of children in America are in public schools.

    This will never change.

  4. Oh goody, I can’t wait to start teaching evolution in church sunday schools.

    After all, fair is fair.

    So whatever happened to homeschooling? Falling by the wayside is it now?

  5. See what happens when you cut Humanities from our children’s education? Inhumane people. Liberal Arts teach empathy.

  6. I just sent TWO emails to this piece of work from his website. I pointed out that I doubt his Baptist kids would enjoy lessons from the non-certified Jews and Muslims during science classes…you know, learning Hebrew and peace and justice. We’ll see if I get banned or not. If not, I plan to write him every single day…you ought to read MI HB 4398…it is terrifying!

  7. What do you do when your right to vote is taken from you! I read an outrage every day! We sit here and stew while the right tramples the constitution ! Even the South seceded! We may lose the war, I feel better dying and fighting! We know they gutted the constitution! Maybe if we do some gutting!

  8. My question is: so the schools should be the ministry of the church?

    Are we supposed to have a forced national religion?
    Again I say which church??
    The founders of our country LEFT England because of being forced into a church they did not wish to belong too. When these early Pilgrims started to force people into believing just as they do, again the people left and began their own from of church or just never joined them.

  9. Just a note, Chris’s blog is Eclectablog, not Electablog. It is an excellent source of information regarding Michigan.

  10. Glenn did not “compose” his semi-coloned diatribe of pure cognitive dissonance. Writing on that caliber belongs to a highly education linguist or wordsmith, like a Luntz. Even thought the diatribe appears on the surface to be a Palin-esk style word salad, it’s well crafted to lead it’s reader by weaving them through 2 half truths converging into one big lie. Bets are on if he verbalized it, it was well rehearsed for emotional affect and emphasis on certain triggers. Tapping into tribal religious/politcal past as the GOP’s path to force social change through revenge is not just some passing fad; it’s pure Le Bon.

    This is all about getting even for the 60’s soci-political revolution…the one that threatened the survival this cretinous “specie”, aka, the moral majority. They truly are living in their own “end times” as it’s time for them to become extinct. Bye-bye Amur’akan pie with sh*t in the middle.

  11. They didn’t teach the bible at all in the original schools….they learned reading, writing and arithmetic – things they needed to survive and prosper in the world. You know – the sorts of things they should know to get a good paying job.

    They left the fairy tale teaching for the church and bedtime stories. I have a “reader”, otherwise known as a textbook, from the mid 1800’s. Not one mention of the bible or god in there.

    Personally, the people that base their life on obvious ridiculous fairy tales about a goat herder shouldn’t be allowed to breed.

  12. The GOP represent only the “church of the “antichrist” himself. The antichrist is their “one and only” master!!! We the “human-sheep” population in the U.S.A. can “all” be “taught” by their “T(Pr)eachers” their god’s laws and rules from birth in order to “serve him better”. In my opinion. BAAAAAW, BAAAAAAWWW,BAAAW (can we really make this kind of shit up folks???). See you “all” in the gop god’s churches. Soon!!! REMEMBER PEOPLE!!! Keep your sheep-suits (disguises) on until the full moon. And then we can “all” just have a very nice picnic in the park eating the republicans and barking at the moon. In my opinion. [WINK]

  13. My grandparents are rolling over in their graves at Westlawn cemetary in Troy, MI and they were both FDR democrats.

  14. Why, the Church of Christofascism, of course! That’s the only true church for these idjits; one that combines omnipotent corporate power with brain-killing indoctrination of the masses.

    Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful.
    Lucius Annaeus Seneca, 4 BC – 64 AD

  15. Cyndi,

    Please don’t compare Christofascists with Christians who actually believe in the same principles you do. Just because some people call themselves Christians, doesn’t make them so. Separate the wheat from the chaff because it would otherwise be unfair to those Christians who actually believe in separation of Church and State, and who try to live as Christ has lived and asked us to live.

    Just a bit of food for thought.

  16. If this bill becomes law, and kids can’t get accepted into colleges, these tools will do one of the following:

    1.Begin threatening/withholding money from colleges that won’t accept the un/under-educated kids,or

    2.Write a new law that mandates the colleges must accept the un/undereducated students

    3. Deny reality and claim that the law is “working,” they just need a little more time.

    After all, they’re GOP/TPs, and if there’s a problem resulting from placing uncertified teachers in MI classrooms, and if kids fail to be accepted into the colleges of their choice, these tools will never admit they’re wrong. They’ll address the issue in the aforementioned ways. It’s what they do–make major mistakes, f*ck things up, pretend they had nothing to do with it, and intimidate/manipulate others into doing what they want them to do to cover their *sses.

  17. Sure, let me teach their children in U.S. History. Where I will teach both the good, bad and ugly of U.S. History and Politics. Their children will learn to ask questions and not take what is just handed to them.

  18. In their religious classrooms will these kids
    ask the “teacher” who would Jesus deny
    affordable health care? Buzzinga!!!

  19. They will still want govt. funds to pay them and some wealthy person will get the bulk of the profit,just like their Charter Schools. No,we were not being educated to read scriptures. It was so the children could function in a moving forward society. The Religious Right is twisting History and what this country was really about. Tax the darn churches,make them pay. It’s a way for scam artists to live off the dumb and stupid. Separation of Church and State is how it really should be. These people are leading their flocks down a path of destruction for America and real Religion. Too bad so many are really ignorant of looking and checking FACTS. Guess that takes work. They only know a few talking points and none are accurate. Poor future citizens of our Country will suffer even more because of theirGrandparents and Parents. It’s sad to not even want to seek the truth.

  20. German history of the 1930’s is repeating it’self in the form of todays Christian Conservative Reich Wing. Now the Reich Wing demands a new crop of HitlerJungen. (Hitler Youth) The paper I wrote in 1975 in high school has proven that every word written is coming to pass. Nostradamus has nothing!! on me!

  21. Everything about these religious conservatives screams “Taliban”! Get them out of office as quickly as you can.

  22. It is high time we make by law Religious Faith a Public Mental Health problem and enact legislation to make funds available for counseling. NO tax breaks on property! Tax pastors, ministers, priest’s incomes. No scholastic accreditation of students unless Evolution,biology and climate science AND!! AND PROPER SEX EDUCATION! by state and federal statutes! Either they play by the rules or no cookie! AND NO RIGHTS!!!

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