Brian Fischer Says Shooting Proves NRC and AFA Not Hate Groups

So the AFA’s Bryan Fischer, the Issues Analysis guy who doesn’t understand issues and can’t analyze anything, says because there was a shooting at FRC headquarters that the Southern Poverty Law Center should remove “both FRC and AFA from its hate group list.” He says it’s all SPLC’s fault.

Tony Perkins of the FRC, who once paid $82,500 to use KKK leader David Duke’s mailing list, and who gave a speech to a group that describes blacks as ”retrograde species of humanity,” embraced hypocrisy with both hands and also blamed SPLC for the shootings:

“Floyd Corkins was given a license to shoot an unarmed man by organizations like the Southern Poverty Law Center that have been reckless in labeling organizations hate groups because they disagree with them on public policy. I believe the Southern Poverty Law Center should be held responsible that is leading to intimidation of what the FBI has characterized as domestic terrorism.”

You knew they’d try to capitalize on Wednesday’s incident, and they have, after ignoring their own hate speech and any shooting incident which could be traced to right wing hate speech.

But they don’t seem to have thought things out too well: So can we hold all you right wing hate groups accountable when people get shot? The NRA and the Republican Party too? Can we? That seems to be what they’re advocating. I mean, when was the last time liberals and progressives weren’t accused of hatred and intolerance, including the President of the United States? The volume of hate coming out of these people is astonishing. I’m only able to comment on a fraction of it.

Just last week, in fact, Rep. James Lankford (R-OK) said that it should be okay to fire people because they’re gay. Brian Fischer himself as advocated the criminal activity of kidnapping children from same-sex couples – simply because those couples are gay or lesbian. Fischer is infamous for claiming Muslims shouldn’t have First Amendment protections. According to the ADL, William Gheen regularly  ”demonizes immigrants as drunk drivers, gang members, invaders, murderers, and disease-carriers. ”

So…um, sorry, Bryan and Tony, no moral high ground for you. And hell guys, it’s liberals who are pushing for stricter gun control laws. It’s not us who want a gun in every pocket!

What results from these two opening their mouths on the same day is an orgasmic fundie celebration marrying self-martyrdom to false equivalencies where thought plays no role. You begin to wonder if these two clowns got together and gave each other a bunch of concussions before they opened their mouths.

I’m not ruling anything out at this point.

But let’s look at all this nonsense more carefully before we consign it to the round file. There is humor to be had here and we should avail ourselves of every opportunity to laugh, not that a person was shot (which is horrible and inexcusable) but that Fischer’s (and Perkins’) brain can actually arrive at the conclusions it arrives at:

However, this near-tragic incident marks an alarming turn in our cultural battle over values. The left’s war on religion and Christianity has now gone from symbolic to literal.

First of all, no left wing “group” was responsible for the attack. It was a lone gunman. Atheists and gay rights groups have all condemned the shooting and none have advocated violence, unlike right-wing hate groups. We think you suck, Bryan and Tony, but we’re not planning on killing you. For some of us, you’re like a golden goose. I’m never at a loss for something to write about. Seriously.

But more, what’s amazing is that Fischer can dismiss all the shootings that can be laid at the door of right wing extremist rhetoric but focus on a single shooting at FRC as evidence of a war on Christianity. That’s award winning myopia by any reckoning. If a war is being waged at all it is by fundamentalist Christianity against everybody else.

And this revelation will make you kerblink:

As conservatives, we believe that public policy disputes should be resolved through the use of ballots, not bullets, through votes, not violence, through reason not rage.

I’ll let Jon Stewart speak to reason:

And Ballots? Really? Voted on by whom? Not Democrats, clearly, since you’re busy disenfranchising them, and your criminal assault on American democracy being upheld by your pet judges.

And rage? You have to wonder if Bryan listens to his own broadcasts and reads his own blog posts. We’ve covered plenty of them here. I mean, coming from Bryan Fischer, I hardly know where to begin with this one. The record of this man’s rage alone would fill volumes, and the use of reason is sadly not in evidence on either Fischer’s radio show or his blog (the same goes for Perkins).

Fischer is never unwilling to lie in the cause of hatred – seems almost eager to do so in fact, as he does here:

Disagreement is not hatred. We don’t hate anyone. In fact, we love homosexuals enough to tell them the truth about the risks involved in their lifestyle choices. But for those who hate the truth, the truth will seem to be hate.

With lovers like Bryan Fischer you don’t need haters. That’s some twisted thinking by a truly twisted mind. Without hate, Fischer wouldn’t be in business cause it ain’t love he’s selling.

All this is ridiculous enough, but Fischer hasn’t even reached the high-water mark of stupidity yet. That comes with this gem:

However, The Southern Poverty Law Center must be called to account. The SPLC argues incessantly that the use of inflammatory and incendiary language when talking about homosexuality promotes violence, and are quick to blame FRC and other organizations such as AFA for every act of violence they possibly can.

Yet the SPLC has consistently used dangerously misguided language in classifying the Family Research Council as a “hate” group with absolutely no foundation. They have repeatedly and without cause demonized  FRC, and have spent years stirring up anger in the homosexual community and directing that anger toward an organization whose only crime is to promote and defend the classic American values of faith, family and freedom.

Thus according to SPLC’s own standards, it is the SPLC that is to blame for yesterday’s shooting.

This from the guy who condemned Gov. Chris Christie for finding bigotry “disturbing.”

So the Southern Poverty Law Center, by identifying (correctly) the FRC and AFA as hate groups, is responsible for people hating the FRC and AFA? That wouldn’t make sense if I drank mead nonstop for a week. I’m sorry. The SPLC doesn’t stir up hate – it identifies hate; it calls out hate for what it is. The FRC and AFA do the hating.

It’s rather like the old Evangelical claim I started hearing in the ’90s that by calling them out for being intolerant we’re being intolerant – of their intolerance. But there’s a reason why Pagan philosopher Porphyry said, “It is easier to write words on water than try to use argument on a Christian.”[1]

Bryan offers another absurdity, echoing his pal Tony:

But the SPLC, by their own hateful and malicious rhetoric against FRC and AFA, has essentially claimed responsibility for this shooting, and they too should be held to account in the court of public opinion.

As SPLC’s Mark Potok said yesterday in response to all this ass-hattedness, “The FRC and its allies on the religious right are saying, in effect, that offering legitimate and fact-based criticism in a democratic society is tantamount to suggesting that the objects of criticism should be the targets of criminal violence.”

So apparently, telling the truth is “hate” – that’s the old “reality has a liberal bias” thing again, coming back to bite the fundies on the ass. Reality will do that to ya, even if you don’t believe in it.  But neither logic nor common sense can stop the Fischer mouth because this is what comes out next:

SPLC claims it only lists organizations as “hate groups” if they engage in the “propagation of known falsehoods” about homosexuality. But the SPLC website itself lists numerous falsehoods about homosexuality. For instance, the SPLC says, without a single shred of proof, that homosexuals are born that way, that it is impossible to leave the gay lifestyle, and that homosexuals are not at elevated risks of depression, anxiety and substance abuse disorders.

In other words, if propagating known falsehoods about homosexuality qualifies an organization, then SPLC belongs on its own list.

Actually, the SPLC isn’t repeating falsehoods, Bryan – it’s true that homosexuals are born that way – or does Bryan think animals are trained to be homosexual? Or maybe he wants to sell us the gay animal demon shtick?

We love that one. Gay animal demons. Good times (but I think I’ll hold out for a succubus, personally).

Humor aside, it’s hardly SPLC’s fault that Bryan Fischer rejects science for superstition. The science is there: Fischer just refuses to “believe” it because he thinks reality is subject to belief.

Finally, we get to this, the culmination of Bryan’s flawed thinking (Drum roll please):

We call on SPLC to explicitly and publicly condemn the motives of yesterday’s shooter, and to remove both FRC and AFA from its hate group list.

Let’s make this clear: because you say somebody hates a hate group, the hate group is no longer a hate group? Even if SPLC was a hate group (and it’s not) that wouldn’t make AFA or the FRC less of a hate group.

Wow. Didn’t they used to tar and feather the criminally stupid? Wayne Besen of Truth Wins Out is thinking the same thing I’m thinking: “The awful and evil crime perpetrated against FRC yesterday does nothing to change the fact that this organization has earned its reputation and designation.”

I mean, Bryan, I thought what you said the other day about Jesus being a capitalist was about the stupidest thing I’d ever heard come out of your mouth (have you actually ever read the New Testament?), but I’m inclined to take that back today. What, is this a contest or something, to see how many idiotic statements you can pack into a single week? And Tony is playing along?

You guys need a hobby (besides hating, that is), because thinking obviously isn’t your thing. On the other hand, you still have today – so maybe don’t give up now while you’re on a roll. My keyboard is waiting.


[1] R. Joseph Hoffman, Porphyry’s Against the Christians: The Literary Remains (Oxford University Press, 1994), 168.

13 Replies to “Brian Fischer Says Shooting Proves NRC and AFA Not Hate Groups”

  1. Well if the SPLC is responsible for this shooting, then they would have to agree sarah palin has blood on her hands for the Gabby Gifford shooting and deaths.
    For if a designation as a hate group by SLPC caused 1 man to shoot 2 people, then you would have to agree that all those bulls eye on Democrats caused 1 man to wound a Congresswomen and kill 9 others.

    How’s that logic working out for you mr. Fischer???

  2. It doesn’t. They have a right to instigate murder, because Gahd told them to. The rest of us, on the other hand, have no right to criticize Gahd’s chosen, lest it cause some demon-possessed youperson to rebel against Gahd’s will.

  3. I personally think this is a move to deflect from the absurdity rolling out of the R&R Clown Car. Fisher is not this stupid. But the GOP thinks the rest of us are.

  4. Well, Bryan Fischer, your argument will probably now show up in a courtroom somewhere.

    “Your Honor, the fact that the police shot my client while he was shooting at them proves he’s innocent.”

    His argument makes about that much sense.

  5. Can Brian Fischer show anything but the delusional mind of insanity? This man can not change the fact that he an others like him have dome everything in their power to abuse, hate, lie about, bare false witness to and negate and entire part of the population! Someone snapped at the hate! While violence is NEVER the answer, the problem is coming from hate mongers like Brian, and FRC’s Tony Perkins! …Using there own way of thinking…did they not bring this on themselves?

  6. The minuet I saw the first news stories about the FRC being attacked by a person who worked, for a time, for some gay organization, I knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that Perkins, Fischer, Dobson and whoever would pile on and cry foul, and then go on an extend offensive to blame the far left. I was not surprised to hear them scream about the SPLC. I was not surprised to hear them scream to have their groups removed from the SPLC’s hate group list.
    These right wing fools (I have called them goons long enough, have to find more explicit descriptions to infused these dullards with) are following a very well scripted response that has been used for years, and was really perfected during the criminal Bush/Cheney reign of terror on this country. Bait the population with fear, stir in indignation, falsehoods, fabricated lies, and bake with PR news coverage for a period of time, slowly. As the aroma of (false)persecution fills the airwaves, target specific and valid organizations that legitimately criticize your hateful sewer infest organization based on facts as demons and dangers to democracy, and spice it up with outrage and talking heads. Don’t cha just love the far right Christens, they are so spiritual in their ways…NOT!!!!

  7. Cynically this is why I advocate being nice to our worst enemies. It really deprives them of grandiose posturing on their victimization. No matter what evil they propagate, the second someone pushes back, they are victims, persecuted, hounded – it’s what they LIVE FOR.

    I’m sorry this man was moved to do what he did. But I’m even sorrier he gave the freak-o-haters some justification for their breast beating and rants. You will never talk sense to them, but it’s critical NEVER to make them victims in their own minds. They LOVE it – don’t give it to them.

  8. The left has really lowered the bar on what constitutes hate and bigotry. Back in the day, you had to actually, you know, hate people, and maybe even oppress them for good measure. Now all you need to do is fail to offer your full-throated support for gay marriage and you’re the moral equivalent of Bull Connor (which party did he belong to again?).

  9. God help this country if you are a real representative in any form!

    You talk just like the bigots I grew used to after moving to this hellhole of a state. I’m glad I don’t go to mainstream churches any more… and avoid the “business world” as much as possible. Having turned my back on those “Good Christian” churches and the “oh so honest and decent” business owners means I don’t have to listen to hate nearly as much (I still sometimes get it from the street preachers, church/business signs, and political signs I pass a few times a week).

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